Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #13

[LadyL]

Is there a photo of it burned? Every single photo I've seen shows only an empty bed on the back of the truck. Was it burned away from the pickup truck in a different location? There are a lot of threads to get through, this is a popular topic.

Is the photo in this news article supposedly the burned contents of the camper?
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent...thern-b-c-community-journalist-says-1.5223024

yes you can see a sink in the rubble

 

[Kubirai]

Is there a photo of it burned? Every single photo I've seen shows only an empty bed on the back of the truck. Was it burned away from the pickup truck in a different location? There are a lot of threads to get through, this is a popular topic.

Is the photo in this news article supposedly the burned contents of the camper?
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent...thern-b-c-community-journalist-says-1.5223024

If you kindly read only the first few pages of the threads, you will find many links. You can also search via Google using keywords and websleuth.

 

[missy1974]

Just confirmed with a police source that the keys were only collected yesterday. They had sat out there for 19 days.

YAY! you are verified

 

[SnooperDuper]

I question whether you could even determine if the keys were for the burned out shell of the Rav4. Looking at my plastic car and imagining what would happen if it was burned using gasoline and propane as the accelerants, I imagine only the manufacturer could match the keys to the serial number. I think the keys would also be damaged by the fire. Just my uneducated guess.

Car keys are not at all unique: given one key and a parking lot full of RAV4's you would be able to open many of them with the one key you had.

I once borrowed a friend's van and forgot exactly where I parked but I did find a van I thought was his and I was able to get in it with his key...lol I quickly determined that I was in the wrong van because this one was a pigsty with a ceramic plate with half-eaten chocolate cake on the console!

Anyway, there are many duplicate locks for any given car key, and you can't use a key to work backwards to a unique serial number.

 

[otto]

The Sundance building can be seen across the road in this photo

RCMP send search specialists to scour area where bodies of B.C. homicide suspects were found

 

[Gina20]

It's not a port; a fishing hub maybe.

And I'm not biting.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

Re the job market in Port Alberni...

Just spoke with my brother, who is a significant player in new housing construction on Vancouver Island. With the caveat that it is a “big island”, he says that housing starts generally are not keeping up with demand, and in some places demand is at the highest levels “since the 1970s”. However, he says that Port Alberni is “a bit out of the way”. Without looking at stats, he estimates Port Alberni new housing construction as “reasonably strong”.

 

[Schmoosh]

The Sundance building can be seen across the road in this photo

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RCMP send search specialists to scour area where bodies of B.C. homicide suspects were found

Are you sure that's not the boat they used on Friday?

 

[ldlager]

Wondering what was different about this found item from the other ones?
RCMP find item that may be connected to McLeod and Schmegelsky investigation
August 10, 2019 5:44PM EDT
"GILLAM, Man. - RCMP say they've found an item that could be relevant to their investigation into two murder suspects whose bodies they believe they located earlier in the week."
"He did not say what the item found Friday was, but says it “may be of interest to the investigation” and “will have to be examined to determine its relevance.”

They finally picked up the keys....

 

[derbywinner]

Are you suggesting couriers?

SBM
in a court of law yes
this discussion board is not a court of law
while the more facts the better, it doesn't take all of them to form an opinion



I think you probably have a different experience simply because your husband was LE. Others of us maybe have not been exposed to that same level of criticism and distrust. I don't think I personally know anyone who 'hates cops'. Also, in some other provinces we may have a more romantic view of the RCMP simply because we dont deal with them on the daily.




(bbm)

it did burn
check previous posts and threads for a long relevant discussion

I an one of those that might not think those young men were guilty, of everything. I know how RCMP are very reluctant to divulge information, I know what it is like to wait for months to see results in a crime. I have said before; something isn't right about this at all. I am not advocating in any way on their behalf. It doesn't make sense. Two young men without a history don't leave their home to go and kill, especially people. Regardless that they played games and had interests in Nazi history it doesn't make them killers. You would then define how many young people that play video games and are somewhat isolated ?? That's crap. You have to read everything, listen again and think; does it make any sense ??

 

[Shlock Homes]

I don't know. Maybe they took the boat as far as the rapids, went to shore, and sent the boat through the rapids. They were found within 1km of their personal belongings.

I think officially, the police haven't confirmed the boat was used. Rapids wouldn't have caused that kind of damage to the boat, especially if it was empty. It definitely would not be almost folded in half in the middle. Also, where did the boat come from (and why didn't anyone report it missing)? The police haven't said if it came from the camp. I doubt KM and BS would have carried it with them.

 

[otto]

Are you sure that's not the boat they used on Friday?

I'm confused. What boat and who?

 

[kmclaren]

I have to say something about Port Alberni's hard-luck economy; not sure where you are reading that. In Vancouver and the lower mainlaind as we call it, housing is at a premium. That includes Port Alberni. Google real estate there. The people that live there are comfortable, and there are many leaving our messed up housing costs in Vancouver to escape to places like Powell River.

Real estate is actually a different market in Port Alberni compared to the rest of the island and is considered the "most affordable" and not nearly as desirable as other cities. This is from last year but one could find similar stats for 2019:

Regionally, the benchmark price of a single-family home in the Campbell River area hit $434,900, an increase of four per cent over June 2018. In the Comox Valley, the benchmark price reached $518,200, up by three per from one year ago. Duncan reported a benchmark price of $471,400, an increase of slightly less than two per cent from June 2018. Nanaimo’s benchmark price rose by three per cent to $559,300 while the Parksville-Qualicum area saw its benchmark price increase by three per cent to $589,500. The cost of a benchmark single-family home in Port Alberni reached $318,300 in June, a nine per cent increase from one year ago.

Vancouver Island Real Estate Board - Statistics

 

[NJSleuth91]

What teenager has fully developed ideological beliefs? He didn't even know about his Ukrainian heritage. He was just flailing around trying to find an ideological home, was trying to create a militia around it and include others in it, and started gearing up and practicing for it.

None of the domestic terrorists we've seen south of the border (and a few here who have murdered) had a solidly coherent belief system either.

I'm pretty sure he did know about his Ukrainian heritage, but just rejected it in favor of calling himself Russian instead. Dylann Roof for example was just a few years older and had a cohesive racist belief system, he posted a whole manifesto about why he was enacting the mass shooting, he targeted people specifically because of their demographics, and made it very clear that he was enacting the mass shooting specifically because of race war reasons. We see none of that in this case. There has been no evidence suggesting that ideology had anything to do with it. Two people does not constitute a militia.

 

[Schmoosh]

I'm confused. What boat and who?

The RCMP's boat. It looks exactly like their boat, sitting on the road in your picture.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I an one of those that might not think those young men were guilty, of everything. I know how RCMP are very reluctant to divulge information, I know what it is like to wait for months to see results in a crime. I have said before; something isn't right about this at all. I am not advocating in any way on their behalf. It doesn't make sense. Two young men without a history don't leave their home to go and kill, especially people. Regardless that they played games and had interests in Nazi history it doesn't make them killers. You would then define how many young people that play video games and are somewhat isolated ?? That's crap. You have to read everything, listen again and think; does it make any sense ??

Most people who kill don't have a history of killing. Those that do are usually in prison and not free to get out and kill.

 

[otto]

I think officially, the police haven't confirmed the boat was used. Rapids wouldn't have caused that kind of damage to the boat, especially if it was empty. It definitely would not be almost folded in half in the middle. Also, where did the boat come from (and why didn't anyone report it missing)? The police haven't said if it came from the camp. I doubt KM and BS would have carried it with them.

Police discovered the boat, and that led them to the personal items upstream of the rapids. The middle seat from the boat is missing, which would have compromised the structural integrity and made it more vulnerable to buckling in the middle in the rapids.

Ref: RCMP Twitter photos

 

[aphoto]

The Sundance building can be seen across the road in this photo

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RCMP send search specialists to scour area where bodies of B.C. homicide suspects were found

That imagine is looking away from Sundance. This image is looking towards 290 taken from the first street on the right north of Sundance Creek.

Are you sure that's not the boat they used on Friday?

Correct. Most likely a boat on a trailer.

 

[LadyL]

I an one of those that might not think those young men were guilty, of everything. I know how RCMP are very reluctant to divulge information, I know what it is like to wait for months to see results in a crime. I have said before; something isn't right about this at all. I am not advocating in any way on their behalf. It doesn't make sense. Two young men without a history don't leave their home to go and kill, especially people. Regardless that they played games and had interests in Nazi history it doesn't make them killers. You would then define how many young people that play video games and are somewhat isolated ?? That's crap. You have to read everything, listen again and think; does it make any sense ??

makes total sense to me
maybe you havenèt been exposed to this type of person

 

[Shlock Homes]

Car keys are not at all unique: given one key and a parking lot full of RAV4's you would be able to open many of them with the one key you had.

I once borrowed a friend's van and forgot exactly where I parked but I did find a van I thought was his and I was able to get in it with his key...lol I quickly determined that I was in the wrong van because this one was a pigsty with a ceramic plate with half-eaten chocolate cake on the console!

Anyway, there are many duplicate locks for any given car key, and you can't use a key to work backwards to a unique serial number.

Also, why would they carry the keys with them? Why go to all the trouble of burning everything, and yet you carry the keys? Was it so they could lock the doors before they torched it? I doubt carrying them would be an oversight. If they were on the run and using a stolen vehicle, knowing where the keys were at all times would be very important. If you lost them, you'd have to steal another car. So wouldn't forget they had them.