Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #13

[KR72]

Sara from Slurrey Surrey in Canada lol...oops sorry !

Someone needs to tell Sarah that BS and KM didn't embark on a journey across three states.

 

[Zella]

Like maybe a slashing of some kind...?

It's possible. I assumed the comment about LF/CD dying of gun violence to mean the wound was a gunshot, but that certainly doesn't preclude there being other injuries from a bludgeoning or slashing.

 

[derbywinner]

A worker at Pink Mountain said they stayed there.

Off this site TIMELINE / CONFIRMED SIGHTINGS OF LF & CD:

Sat 13 July at 19:37 (about 7:37pm) couple & van seen on surveillance at petrol station, Fort Nelson;

Pink Mountain Campsite Hwy 97, seen by M. McKinley time tbd;

Sun 14 July around 4 pm Hwy 97 near Liard Hot Springs, seen by Curtis & Sandra B after stopping to offer mechanical assistance;

Hwy 97 about 8 pm by T. Pierre - road crew;

Hwy 97 about 11:30 pm by road supervisor, couple talking to bearded man;

Monday 15 July Hwy 97 about 6:45 am by T. Pierre - bodies located outside of van, deceased

 

[derbywinner]

Off this site TIMELINE / CONFIRMED SIGHTINGS OF LF & CD:

Sat 13 July at 19:37 (about 7:37pm) couple & van seen on surveillance at petrol station, Fort Nelson;

Pink Mountain Campsite Hwy 97, seen by M. McKinley time tbd;

Sun 14 July around 4 pm Hwy 97 near Liard Hot Springs, seen by Curtis & Sandra B after stopping to offer mechanical assistance;

Hwy 97 about 8 pm by T. Pierre - road crew;

Hwy 97 about 11:30 pm by road supervisor, couple talking to bearded man;

Monday 15 July Hwy 97 about 6:45 am by T. Pierre - bodies located outside of van, deceased

I'm still trying to find the news report by the worker at Pink Mountain

 

[MassGuy]

1. The RCMP to this date have not released to the public on which route Kam & Bryer took up north.
2. Can someone help me understand why there is a thought they committed the first murders for robbery? The great uncle in his interview said they had significant cash with them. I just don't feel that robbery as a motive is a viable reason. I see robbing Mr. Dyck's Rav4 as having a viable reason for them, but not in the Liard murders.

I think it’s just an effort to explain the motive for their murders.

These two could have killed them just for the thrill of it, or there could have been a reason behind it.

I think robbery would be the most likely reason in that case.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Lucas and Chynna worked minimum wage jobs with all kinds of young men and women. This scenario is very unlikely.

Based on all available reports, KM/BS were far more likely to stop at any roadside vehicle at night, with bad intentions.

It is far less likely that they somehow met, and KM/BS started stalking Lucas/Chynna. Such meeting could have taken place anywhere, from Hudson's Hope on July 13 to Fort Nelson on July 14.

Yes but if the guys were outcasts and possibly bullied, they might despise a couple like that. They seemed polar opposites. The couple seem loving, vivacious, educated, friendly, attractive with futures and everything going for them, the guys seemed to have nothing like that in their life.

I am by no means victim blaming, I am blaming the guys maybe feeling inadequate by a simple comment that may have been misconstrued. Or for all we know, the guys might've gotten creepy towards Chynna. BS seems to have that behavior in his past, that he relishes making people uncomfortable so perhaps he got off on doing this with the couple if they had an interaction.

 

[MassGuy]

I could see that happening. But then where does the duo aspect go into all this? Did just one of them actually commit the shooting and the other one willingly threw away their life for no reason? I know they were really close, but....I feel like both of them were involved somehow. That's why robbery gone wrong seems like the likely answer to me. Because even if only one of them turned it from a robbery to a homicide, they have that felony murder law where both of them would be charged with murder.

In a lot of cases with murdering duos, the more dominant one forces the other to participate.

This doesn’t excuse the behavior, but there is some pressure there if the person is unwilling (I don’t think that is the case here).

It’s a way to ensure that both of them are equally culpable.

These two may have taken their lives together, so I think it’s reasonable to assume that both of them also killed.

They were in this together.

 

[otto]

I think you’re a day off.
Tourist couple found dead off B.C. highway were ‘happy’ and ‘confident,’ bystanders say

July 13 - tourist left the ranch, start trip
July 13 - drove past Pink Mountain Store (maybe bought snacks)
July 13, 7:45PM - bought gas Fort Nelson
July 13 - overnight between Fort Nelson and Liard Hot Springs WHERE?
July 14, 3:20PM - stranded on hwy
July 14, 11:30PM - witness saw tall Caucasian bearded man with couple at van
July 15, 7:19AM - deceased

July 13/14 - where did they camp between Fort Nelson and Liard Hot Springs ?

 

[Kubirai]

Pink mountain reference.
Tourist couple found dead off B.C. highway were ‘happy’ and ‘confident,’ bystanders say

Marissa McKinley, an employee at the Pink Mountain Campsite in the Peace River area, said she also encountered Fowler and Deese when they stopped at the site days before they were found.

She probably recalled July 13 daytime entry of the blue van of a young couple. But she didn't recall a red truck and camper with the missing males.

 

[otto]

A worker at Pink Mountain said they stayed there.

It's impossible that they stayed at Pink Mountain on July 13 after buying gas at 7:45PM in Fort Nelson.

 

[NJSleuth91]

1. The RCMP to this date have not released to the public on which route Kam & Bryer took up north.
2. Can someone help me understand why there is a thought they committed the first murders for robbery? The great uncle in his interview said they had significant cash with them. I just don't feel that robbery as a motive is a viable reason. I see robbing Mr. Dyck's Rav4 as having a viable reason for them, but not in the Liard murders.

The theory is a robbery for the thrill of it. Maybe they got to talking while driving on those deserted country roads and said "Hey, we have a gun, we could rob someone and get away with it, nobody is around, it would be so easy." In this theory I imagine it started out as joking about it and then the conversation got more serious. Or maybe they had that same conversation but about killing for thrill instead. I don't know though...as I said, anxiety and murder don't mix, and their state of fear and panic as reported by witnesses didn't really seem to indicate to me the usual "thrill killer" type of personality, although I could be wrong.

 

[Zella]

In a lot of cases with murdering duos, the more dominant one forces the other to participate.

This doesn’t excuse the behavior, but there is some pressure there if the person is unwilling (I don’t think that is the case here).

It’s a way to ensure that both of them are equally culpable.

These two may have taken their lives together, so I think it’s reasonable to assume that both of them also killed.

They were in this together.

In a lot of the dyad killer cases, the pressure is more like manipulation, too, so the follower's incentive is to win/secure/cement the approval of the more dominant one.

 

[otto]

1. The RCMP to this date have not released to the public on which route Kam & Bryer took up north.
2. Can someone help me understand why there is a thought they committed the first murders for robbery? The great uncle in his interview said they had significant cash with them. I just don't feel that robbery as a motive is a viable reason. I see robbing Mr. Dyck's Rav4 as having a viable reason for them, but not in the Liard murders.

The very first news reports stated that the ID was stolen, but the rest of their possessions were left behind. That is robbery.

 

[otto]

They wouldn't risk driving back through Deese Lake, Watson Lake and Fort Nelson again, since they all host RCMP detachments. That route would also be several hundred km longer to Dawson Creek, you could calculate.

My previous hunch is in a wide area map of BC/AB. They almost certainly continued south from Stikine River, and rushed to Alberta before July 19 turned into July 20.

Was it better to drive through Prince George?

 

[Zella]

I can see them robbing somebody/attempting to rob somebody without actually needing anything they took, more of an impulsive thrill than a practical need. This would, of course, be more true for LF/CD since they likely did have a pragmatic reason for needing LD's vehicle.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Pink mountain reference.
Tourist couple found dead off B.C. highway were ‘happy’ and ‘confident,’ bystanders say

Very interesting. Is it known for sure KMBS went there as well?

 

[Kubirai]

July 13 - tourist left the ranch, start trip
July 13 - drove past Pink Mountain Store (maybe bought snacks)
July 13, 7:45PM - bought gas Fort Nelson
July 13 - overnight between Fort Nelson and Liard Hot Springs WHERE?
July 14, 3:20PM - stranded on hwy
July 14, 11:30PM - witness saw tall Caucasian bearded man with couple at van
July 15, 7:19AM - deceased

July 13/14 - where did they camp between Fort Nelson and Liard Hot Springs ?

Since it was already 8PM at Fort Nelson, and since Chynna seemed to want to call it a night in the video, my guess is a camping site quite close to Fort Nelson.

 

[FactFinder3000]

2. Can someone help me understand why there is a thought they committed the first murders for robbery? The great uncle in his interview said they had significant cash with them. I just don't feel that robbery as a motive is a viable reason. I see robbing Mr. Dyck's Rav4 as having a viable reason for them, but not in the Liard murders.

Personally, I have tried to keep speculation on this point to a minimum, out of respect for the victims. I feel that further information will be forthcoming and it is better to just wait.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

Still trying to figure out the reason for killing Deese and Fowler.

I wonder whether Fowler, or even possibly Deese, rushed one of them.

That would explain one killing, and the second would be to eliminate the witness.

 

[MassGuy]

Still trying to figure out the reason for killing Deese and Fowler.

I wonder whether Fowler, or even possibly Deese, rushed one of them.

I think Deese and Fowler were dead either way.

If it was robbery, these two intended to leave no witnesses.

If this was a thrill killing, well that speaks for itself.

I think they were coerced from that van and executed.