Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #13

[Moonlitnight]

I don’t know why people are debating this, but there’s a reason why @derbywinner is less keen than some of you about calling Port Alberni a port. Before correcting him/her, it might be worth noting that he/she is speaking as someone who has worked for a major terminal operation in Vancouver.

Vancouver is a major commercial port operation. Port Alberni is legally a port, but commercially it is insignificant. If you look at your link, it mostly runs some marinas and three berths for the export of local lumber products.

Sorry, but I’m with @derbywinner. Vancouver is a port, Port Alberni is a white elephant and a drain on taxpayers, which is why it is desperately looking for business

Not that any of this matters, except in terms of Port Alberni employment opportunities.

If you were to go back a few threads (and I wouldn't expect you to), you would see my post saying that Port Alberni is far from a "Pacific seaport." So I agree and I am not "correcting" him. As I said, it is mid island and up a long channel.

 

[otto]

Marissa McKinley, an employee at the Pink Mountain Campsite in the Peace River area, said she also encountered Fowler and Deese when they stopped at the site days before they were found.

She probably recalled July 13 daytime entry of the blue van of a young couple. But she didn't recall a red truck and camper with the missing males.

That's impossible. The Pink Mountain place is near Hudson Hope. They had to drive past it to get to Fort Nelson. Why would they get gas in Fort Nelson and then double back almost as far as the ranch to camp?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

1. The RCMP to this date have not released to the public on which route Kam & Bryer took up north.
2. Can someone help me understand why there is a thought they committed the first murders for robbery? The great uncle in his interview said they had significant cash with them. I just don't feel that robbery as a motive is a viable reason. I see robbing Mr. Dyck's Rav4 as having a viable reason for them, but not in the Liard murders.

I don't think robbery either and now I don't think random thrill kill anymore either. I feel like KMBS got pissed off about something (more probably BS) and BS wanted to intimidate the couple and things went south and escalated somehow.

I think words were said the set off BS maybe and KM of course would be by his buddy's side. I said many threads ago, if CD was shot in the face (guessing) that's pretty personal and symbolic especially being a pretty girl.

 

[Kubirai]

Was it better to drive through Prince George?

Yes, because they quickly merge with more cars from the south.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

I think Deese and Fowler were dead either way.

If it was robbery, these two intended to leave no witnesses.

If this was a thrill killing, well that speaks for itself.

I think they were coerced from that van and executed.

Being unexpectedly rushed by one, and then killing the witness, is a simpler explanation.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I finally found the photos with the locations:

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RCMP send search specialists to scour area where bodies of B.C. homicide suspects were found

They're screenshots from the video, which is also very good.

Thank you very much for this.

It seems that they may have come ashore near where the bodies were found and then pushed the boat back onto the river with much of their gear...the boat then went through the rapids and scattered all of their gear, as well as heavily damaging the boat. That would fit with their pattern of destroying the last conveyance that they used (truck, RAV4, then boat) and everything in it.

In this case they would also have not become separated with the gun. I give more credence to the search worker's offhand comments that the autopsy would tell if it were homicide or suicide now that I realize they could have still held the gun...until I saw that map I honestly thought they were caught in the rapids and lost everything. Now I see them intentionally landing at that spot, ditching the boat and going deep into the woods to die. They ditched their gear because they were in the final stretch of their plan of self-destruction and didn't need anything to survive anymore because they didn't intend to live.

I am also beginning to see KM as more of a decision-maker since it seemed that BS honestly didn't drive (going by the Alberta report). It would have had to be KM's decision to burn the truck and camper that was still worth a significant amount of money and was his to drive and own. KM was also in charge of operating the RAV4 and may have made the decision to torch that as well. Coming from a family with more resources, he might have been the one that got access to a gun.

Maybe KM was the one driving the death march and destroying the truck, RAV4 then boat, the one that held control over the gun, and the one that made the decision that they do longer needed any gear because they were at the end of things. Perhaps BS was so nervous because he was in over his head following KM and couldn't back out because he knew KM was armed. The Alberta man reported that BS seemed despondent at the situation with the bogged down RAV4 while KM worked to get it unstuck and still had the determination to move forward with things. BS on the other hand may have lost all hope and just stuck with KM until KM lead him to the place where they both died at KM's hand?

 

[Moonlitnight]

Thank you ! I'm not trying to be rude or obstinate, just I worked for the largest terminal in Canada. If your not here I want you to understand the demographics and so on without Google

I totally get it. I was just trying to explain why a member here keeps insisting it is a "port." To me, a port is a large facility right on the ocean that has docks and terminals and cruise ship/cargo traffic. Anyhow, I am stepping away from port discussions. Just wanted to explain myself.

 

[otto]

Since it was already 8PM at Fort Nelson, and since Chynna seemed to want to call it a night in the video, my guess is a camping site quite close to Fort Nelson.

I'm suddenly curious where they camped between Fort Nelson and Liard Hot Springs on the night of July 13. It was not Pink Mountain, and it must between North of Fort Nelson.

We need to look for campgrounds in the area.

 

[Optics]

Off this site TIMELINE / CONFIRMED SIGHTINGS OF LF & CD:
Pink Mountain Campsite Hwy 97, seen by M. McKinley time tbd;

She referred to Lucas Fowler and Chynna Deese only having stayed there and not the two murder suspects. It was in the beginning of Fowler/Deese trip having left the ranch he had worked and and bought his van from the owner in Hudson Hope.

 

[Iwondertoo]

A worker at Pink Mountain said they stayed there.

If it's from this source , the worker only said she encountered them. LF and CD may have just stopped to use the washrooms and the worker spoke to them.

Tourist couple found dead off B.C. highway were ‘happy’ and ‘confident,’ bystanders say

Marissa McKinley, an employee at the Pink Mountain Campsite in the Peace River area, said she also encountered Fowler and Deese when they stopped at the site days before they were found.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I could see that happening. But then where does the duo aspect go into all this? Did just one of them actually commit the shooting and the other one willingly threw away their life for no reason? I know they were really close, but....I feel like both of them were involved somehow. That's why robbery gone wrong seems like the likely answer to me. Because even if only one of them turned it from a robbery to a homicide, they have that felony murder law where both of them would be charged with murder.

I guess I'm thinking KMBS had an "us again them/us against the world" attitude and dynamic. Maybe BS got KM riled up enough if they had a past of being bullied.

KM sounds like he came from a good home, so maybe too mundane and wanted adventure and that's why the teens clicked? I've went along with many "bad influence" friends in my youth because I wanted the excitement and my life to not be cookie cutter. I didn't do crime but other stupid, dangerous stuff!

 

[MassGuy]

Being unexpectedly rushed by one, and then killing the witness, is a simpler explanation.

Sure. If these two were the only victims.

I doubt LD rushed them.

 

[Kubirai]

I don't think robbery either and now I don't think random thrill kill anymore either. I feel like KMBS got pissed off about something

KM/BS would probably have stopped at any vehicle by the side of a deserted road after midnight, with evil intentions.

 

[Optics]

The very first news reports stated that the ID was stolen, but the rest of their possessions were left behind. That is robbery.

Right - so do some people think B & K murdered Lucas and Chynna for their ID? That seems a pretty ludicrous reason to kill two people for.

 

[otto]

She referred to Lucas Fowler and Chynna Deese only having stayed there and not the two murder suspects. It was in the beginning of Fowler/Deese trip having left the ranch he had worked and and bought his van from the owner in Hudson Hope.

I read something about buying snacks, but there's no way that they drove all the way to Fort Nelson for gas and then drove all the way back to Pink Mountain to camp when they were headed to Alaska.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Still trying to figure out the reason for killing Deese and Fowler.

I wonder whether Fowler, or even possibly Deese, rushed one of them.

That would explain one killing, and the second would be to eliminate the witness.

What do you mean rushed one of them? Curious...

 

[kelman66]

1. The RCMP to this date have not released to the public on which route Kam & Bryer took up north.
2. Can someone help me understand why there is a thought they committed the first murders for robbery? The great uncle in his interview said they had significant cash with them. I just don't feel that robbery as a motive is a viable reason. I see robbing Mr. Dyck's Rav4 as having a viable reason for them, but not in the Liard murders.

The other way up North from Port Alberni is the ferry to Prince Rupert then up Hwy 37

 

[otto]

If it's from this source , the worker only said she encountered them. LF and CD may have just stopped to use the washrooms and the worker spoke to them.

Tourist couple found dead off B.C. highway were ‘happy’ and ‘confident,’ bystanders say

Marissa McKinley, an employee at the Pink Mountain Campsite in the Peace River area, said she also encountered Fowler and Deese when they stopped at the site days before they were found.

That's what I remember.

That still leaves the question of where they stayed between Fort Nelson and Liard Hot Springs on July 13.

 

[derbywinner]

When I said it isn't a port I meant that I have worked at a really big port. It wasn't supposed to be derogatory or demeaning; it was meant for people who don't know this/that are to have a understanding. Seriously why is that so important to you. Do you think those guys thought they were something because they lived in "Port Alberni" or what ??

May I ask do you live anywhere around here ??

 

[Deleted member 248860]

Sure. If these two were the only victims.

I doubt LD rushed them.

If Fowler rushed them, and was killed, and then they killed the witness, that could put them on a path.

Not hard to explain Dyck at that point, with one caveat.

The caveat is that if they were careful, and kept their wits about them, they might have thought that they could get away with killing Fowler and Deese. In that case, killing Dyck makes no sense.

Unless they knew that there was incriminating evidence of the first two murders that they couldn’t destroy.