Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #13

[Kubirai]

That's impossible. The Pink Mountain place is near Hudson Hope. They had to drive past it to get to Fort Nelson. Why would they get gas in Fort Nelson and then double back almost as far as the ranch to camp?

Please check my previous post. Pink Mountain was probably their very first daytime photo stop after leaving Hudson's Hope.

 

[otto]

Right - so do some people think B & K murdered Lucas and Chynna for their ID? That seems a pretty ludicrous reason to kill two people for.

Their ID was very likely in the same place as their money. People with money do steal money. I don't remember his name, but the cross-dressing real estate heir from New York stole, murdered and dressed like a woman. He didn't need money.

 

[Kubirai]

Still trying to figure out the reason for killing Deese and Fowler.

I wonder whether Fowler, or even possibly Deese, rushed one of them.

That would explain one killing, and the second would be to eliminate the witness.

Lucas and Chynna were sleeping in their blue van, after a long day waiting to fix a problem. Psychopaths saw the van, and decided to murder the occupants, for lulz.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

KM/BS would probably have stopped at any vehicle by the side of a deserted road after midnight, with evil intentions.

Yes, if they planned to kill just for the sake of it (what I thought at beginning). Now I'm thinking something set them off. No idea if crime happened at night in the dark or early morning hours at dawn when some light out.

 

[Optics]

I'm suddenly curious where they camped between Fort Nelson and Liard Hot Springs on the night of July 13. It was not Pink Mountain, and it must between North of Fort Nelson.

We need to look for campgrounds in the area.

Look here there are countless areas too many to list this will give you an idea Alaska Highway - mile by mile description from Fort Nelson

 

[Deleted member 248860]

Maybe it started as a lark holdup, not expecting to be challenged.

But then they were challenged.

 

[Moonlitnight]

...and multiple people who have become obsessed with it to probably an unhealthy degree.

Erm.... Count me in there.

 

[Optics]

Lucas and Chynna were sleeping in their blue van, after a long day waiting to fix a problem. Psychopaths saw the van, and decided to murder the occupants, for lulz.

My sentiments exactly Kubirai . I also think when they decided on that van they hid their truck/camper in the bushes in case of passing motorists spotting their truck/camper and snuck up on unsuspecting Lucas and Chynna.

 

[kelman66]

Yes, if they planned to kill just for the sake of it (what I thought at beginning). Now I'm thinking something set them off. No idea if crime happened at night in the dark or early morning hours at dawn when some light out.

It doesnt really get dark at 60 degrees north the second week of July

 

[JuneBug67]

No comment at this time. There is no way Ministry of Education would get involved in this mess. Imo

ETA unless under a subpoena

They can’t comment about individual students even if they wanted to because of privacy laws. And they definitely wouldn’t want to! LOL.

When the person flat out says, "Port Alberni isn't a port," then that presents a problem. Because it is a port. It's confusing and misleading to say it isn't a port. And it does have a terminal. With at least 3 berths. Please see the included picture.

Old sign. The new one says ‘Berth-ish Three. Port Alberni Not-a-Port Authority’.

 

[otto]

There's something called the Triple G Hideaway Campground in Fort Nelson. Would Lucas and Chynn have opted for a family campground?

 

[derbywinner]

If Fowler rushed them, and was killed, and then they killed the witness, that could put them on a path.

Not hard to explain Dyck at that point, with one caveat.

The caveat is that if they were careful, and kept their wits about them, they might have thought that they could get away with killing Fowler and Deese. In that case, killing Dyck makes no sense.

Unless they knew that there was incriminating evidence of the first two murders that they couldn’t destroy.

I might be crazy...but I think there was a 3rd person.

 

[Moonlitnight]

I'm sorry but I wasn't arguing. If someone says something, and someone says it's not true, how is that arguing. It's a discussion. Shouldn't be taken differently other than a discussion or a conversation. We are allowed to debate and I think not be mean or demeaning right ??

I believe you are referring to my posting that description on the PA website. I was not, under any circumstances contradicting what the gentleman who worked at the Vancouver Port Authority said! As I have previously explained, I agree with what he said. I just wanted to show why someone else kept calling it a port. Enough of the port discussion (says she who just prolonged it) but I really feel the need to explain myself since I wasn't trying to prove anyone wrong.

 

[JuneBug67]

Okay it's a port. May I ask have you ever seen a port with real berths ?

My port is bigger than your port.

-derbywinner

 

[Optics]

Very interesting. Is it known for sure KMBS went there as well?

No, there is no proof they went there.

 

[Zella]

Thank you very much for this.

It seems that they may have come ashore near where the bodies were found and then pushed the boat back onto the river with much of their gear...the boat then went through the rapids and scattered all of their gear, as well as heavily damaging the boat. That would fit with their pattern of destroying the last conveyance that they used (truck, RAV4, then boat) and everything in it.

In this case they would also have not become separated with the gun. I give more credence to the search worker's offhand comments that the autopsy would tell if it were homicide or suicide now that I realize they could have still held the gun...until I saw that map I honestly thought they were caught in the rapids and lost everything. Now I see them intentionally landing at that spot, ditching the boat and going deep into the woods to die. They ditched their gear because they were in the final stretch of their plan of self-destruction and didn't need anything to survive anymore because they didn't intend to live.

I am also beginning to see KM as more of a decision-maker since it seemed that BS honestly didn't drive (going by the Alberta report). It would have had to be KM's decision to burn the truck and camper that was still worth a significant amount of money and was his to drive and own. KM was also in charge of operating the RAV4 and may have made the decision to torch that as well. Coming from a family with more resources, he might have been the one that got access to a gun.

Maybe KM was the one driving the death march and destroying the truck, RAV4 then boat, the one that held control over the gun, and the one that made the decision that they do longer needed any gear because they were at the end of things. Perhaps BS was so nervous because he was in over his head following KM and couldn't back out because he knew KM was armed. The Alberta man reported that BS seemed despondent at the situation with the bogged down RAV4 while KM worked to get it unstuck and still had the determination to move forward with things. BS on the other hand may have lost all hope and just stuck with KM until KM lead him to the place where they both died at KM's hand?

Really good analysis!

I agree that BS seems to have become a bit of a basketcase--or quite a bit of a basketcase, really--by the time they were on the run. That being said, I know a lot of people who are panicky who rely on a person with a stronger will/stronger personality and like having that to bolster them. I could see BS freaking out but feeling comfortable letting KM be the driving force because he trusted him.

As badly as he may have been panicking, he might have lost it even more if KM hadn't been there to direct things. I don't know that we will ever know what incited the murders, but it does seem like, at least for the "on the run" phase, KM was the determined one and may very well have been the one who kept things going.

If Bryer was as despondent as the witness described him on July 21st, it might have been a mercy to him when Kam finally decided that he, too, had had enough, if that's what happened.

All MOO.

 

[Moonlitnight]

Wells Grey Park is another place where unbelievably strange murders occurred.

Yes, I remember that. I had recently immigrated from the UK. It was a whole family in a camper as I recall.

 

[otto]

Look here there are countless areas too many to list this will give you an idea Alaska Highway - mile by mile description from Fort Nelson

Those are pullouts. Again, I know I'm alone here, but just read a little about camping in pullouts in Canada. Most have signs stating no camping, and those that don't, let's just say seasoned travellers recommend a campground for safety.

 

[Optics]

I think Deese and Fowler were dead either way.

If it was robbery, these two intended to leave no witnesses.

If this was a thrill killing, well that speaks for itself.

I think they were coerced from that van and executed.

I agree with you 100%

 

[scrappinkat]

July 13. And, if BS and KM left early on the 12th to catch the first ferry (which is almost half price btw) and drove straight through it’s possible the could have reached Pink Mountain for the 13th as well. IMO

They were in Fort Nelson at the gas station from 7:30pm until 7:47pm on July 13th. So did they turn around and drive two and half hours back towards Hudson’s Hope to camp at Pink Mountain Campsite that night of the 13th.

They left the ranch in Hudson Hope on the 12th although I’ve also seen it said to have been the 13th.

IMO Fowler and Deese camping in/at Pink Mountain campsite seems more than a little implausible.