Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #15

[MistyWaters]

As we know, a man in Dawson Creek stated that the van belonged to his father-in-law, who died. The van was sold at auction in 2018. This was from an article in the Vancouver Courier. How did he know this was the very same van that Lucas Fowler was driving? The RCMP must have told him.

Some people in Dawson Creek maintain a post office box in Bay Tree, Alberta. Alberta insurance is cheaper, which is why they do it. If that van had always been registered in Alberta, it never would have to pass a vehicle inspection in B.C. or in Alberta. As previously posted, the vehicle, once licensed and registered in Alberta, wouldn't have to be reregistered and licensed in B.C. For some time if being used by a traveller.

Vehicles registered in Alberta over 12 years and older require an inspection certificate when registered by the new owner. It’s also not entirely true insurance in Alberta is always cheaper than BC. That’s somewhat of a misperception because I have a relative who moved from BC to Alberta about the same age as LF and his insurance rate is higher here than in BC. Many BC residents who move and work in Alberta procrastinate in changing their ins/reg over for that same reason. Why the Alberta plates I think remains a mystery.

One thing I don’t know, is it possible to insure and register a vehicle in Alberta (or B.C.) with an out of country drivers licence? Because obtaining a drivers licence abstract is always part of the process.

http://www.registriesdirect.ca/pdf/VehicleInspection.pdf

 

[JuneBug67]

so anyone can have a long firearm now? or does this just apply to estates?

No not just estates. Long firearms have always been easy and relatively uncomplicated to buy. When I was a kid, our department and hardware stores had gun counters. Things slowly evolved, and by 1995 if you bought a rifle it had to be registered with the government in the gun registry. That was super unpopular, and by 2012 gone as policy with all past records subsequently destroyed. As of today, you just need to pass a short safety course and apply for a Possesion and Acquisition license (PAL) and off you go to an outdoors store and buy your long gun.

 

[sandbar]

Maybe. Either way the important thing is if it exists. If it does, and it sounds like it does, that's honestly the most shocking detail of this case so far IMO. That nobody did anything.

IMO I don't see it as being a big deal AT ALL. And I can see a bunch of kids who might think N@%i 's are cool to think he was rad.

 

[Zella]

I think they meant that photo was deleted from his Instagram, not that the entire account was deleted.

It's possible. It's a fairly barren account anyway. I'd actually wondered if he had scrubbed it recently. It's just 1 pic posted in June and then the profile pic. Kam's page has a few more photos but nothing publicly viewable since 2015.

 

[Gina20]

Okay. Van-gate again.

 

[FactFinder3000]

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But if the original plates still remained on the van when it was found on July 15th, any VIN check would lead back to the repo only.
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JMO

The plate is visible in the auction photo and in the pics by the side of the road. It does not match. Different plate.

 

[CinNC]

IMO I don't see it as being a big deal AT ALL. And I can see a bunch of kids who might think N@%i 's are cool to think he was rad.

Even PH of the British Royals went to a party dressed as one. I don't think he was considered a threat to himself or the public; it was just viewed as very, very poor judgement and poor taste, and it was seen in the news media worldwide.

 

[JuneBug67]

Realizing I should also qualify long gun as a typical hunting rifle. AR15s, for example, are restricted and like handguns can only be used on a gun range. Though some guns with similar specs are in the non-restricted category. I think the symbolism of a gun like the AR15 contributes to its restricted status.

 

[Optics]

Some guesswork on my part but it may’ve went like this -

Van is repossessed from prior owner and sold at auction, as are the vast majority of repos. Plates remain intact, prior owner had no reason to remove them as registration is no longer valid.

Van is bought at auction by the ranch owner. But as long as it’s hauled away on a flatbed or towed, anything but driven, purchaser isn’t required to register or insure van. It sits on ranch and later LF buys van from ranch owner.

But if the original plates still remained on the van when it was found on July 15th, any VIN check would lead back to the repo only.

Beyond that it would take a bit of police leg work to first contact the bank involved in the repo, then to determine the auction company who sold it, to have them check their records to find the name and address of the new purchaser, then contact that person to learn the identity of the occupants of the van on the Alaskan Highway.

JMO

Yes and that was a complicating problem for the RCMP when the bodies were initially found the RCMP were were investigating to verify if the van found near the bodies was connected to them or someone else because simply of a different name connected to the van.. Those types of things are what complicated it for police without question.

 

[1987]

No not just estates. Long firearms have always been easy and relatively uncomplicated to buy. When I was a kid, our department and hardware stores had gun counters. Things slowly evolved, and by 1995 if you bought a rifle it had to be registered with the government in the gun registry. That was super unpopular, and by 2012 gone as policy with all past records subsequently destroyed. As of today, you just need to pass a short safety course and apply for a Purchase and Acquisition permit (PAL) and off you go to an outdoors store and buy your long gun.

so it is the person that is registered. the firearm itself is not kept track of unless it is of specific type?

 

[Gina20]

Even PH of the British Royals went to a party dressed as one. I don't think he was considered a threat to himself or the public; it was just viewed as very, very poor judgement and poor taste.

How these things are viewed as a prince vs. a pauper is quite different. MOO. And he wore camo, too, professionally.

 

[Zella]

Sorry that I didn’t link the article the first time. Here’s the bit that discusses the photo of BS with the gun in his mouth (air soft or real, I’m not quite sure).

“VICE obtained another disturbing photo linked to Schmegelsky’s Instagram page, which is now deleted, showing the teen with what appears to be a gun barrel in his mouth. It’s unclear if the gun is real. VICE has decided not to use the graphic photo”

Dark Portrait Emerging of Teenage BC Murder Suspect

That's an interesting article--thanks for sharing! The one guy who said he is right-wing and didnt think Bryer agreed with him because he thought Bryer was a communist further confirms to me that Bryer probably liked to be contrary and get a rise out of people.

MOO

 

[JuneBug67]

so it is the person that is registered. the firearm itself is not kept track of unless it is of specific type?

Yes. This exactly.

 

[CanadianMade]

Both played Rust, Bryer logged more hours, but Kam was listed as an Admin. I checked Steam, a few days after they had gone missing.

In reading the game description, I agree, there are a number of symbolic things that the suspects could have been acting out. Would be very interesting to hear a psychologist and sociologist thoughts on this case. Maybe we will hear that in the future.

Could you please provide something showing that those were in fact their Steam accounts? There has never been anything published to say this actually.

Also, please play the game Rust before making these assumptions. The game is absolutely nothing like you are thinking.
Also that account that is claimed to be Bryer's had just over 500 hours played of Rust over the course of 4 years. Doesn't seem like whoever owned that account played it all that much.

 

[Optics]

Vehicles registered in Alberta over 12 years and older require an inspection certificate when registered by the new owner. It’s also not entirely true insurance in Alberta is always cheaper than BC. That’s somewhat of a misperception because I have a relative who moved from BC to Alberta about the same age as LF and his insurance rate is higher here than in BC. Many BC residents who move and work in Alberta procrastinate in changing their ins/reg over for that same reason. Why the Alberta plates I think remains a mystery.

One thing I don’t know, is it possible to insure and register a vehicle in Alberta (or B.C.) with an out of country drivers licence? Because obtaining a drivers licence abstract is always part of the process.

http://www.registriesdirect.ca/pdf/VehicleInspection.pdf

As I said previously British Columbia has a provincial government owned insurance corporation unlike most if not all the rest of the provinces in Canada. They are pretty tight on vehicle registration, insurances, etc. Even I being a lifelong resident of BC ran into this problem: I worked in the Yukon for 2 1/2 years. I had an SUV I bought as original owner in BC and it had all the hallmarks in BC. I took it to the Yukon while I worked there, and had to buy Yukon insurance to make it legal to drive and a Yukon drivers license for approx 1 year of my work up north. When I finished working in the Yukon, came back to our home in southern BC, I went to reinsurance in my home province. I was surprised to learn in reinsuring it, I had to have it go through an Inspection before I could get it reinsured, even though it was originally 'born' in BC. , ICBC and motor vehicles still treated like any vehicle that comes in or is purchased from out of province. I was not happy LOL, and yes anything that did not pass inspection was ordered to be fixed before approving the insurance. I forget but the law in BC is after 3 or 6 months maximum you must register and insure the vehicle in BC. This is why I was curious about the van having been bought in 2018 still having Alberta plates on it.

 

[MistyWaters]

Yes and that was a complicating problem for the RCMP when the bodies were initially found the RCMP were were investigating to verify if the van found near the bodies was connected to them or someone else because simply of a different name connected to the van.. Those types of things are what complicated it for police without question.

Once the RCMP were able to determine LF’s name, it still wouldn’t be attached to any other govt files at all such as CRA, DL records, Health Care, etc in order to determine the names and addresses of his family in Australia. So I agree, it must’ve taken a fair bit of legwork to connect him to the ranch in order for police to contact his family as well. All and all, far more complicated than identification of a Canadian tourist.

 

[cherrytree9]

Could you please provide something showing that those were in fact their Steam accounts? There has never been anything published to say this actually.

Well the Bryer account is friends with an account called Kam, they both left each other a comment on Bryer's page on the 4th June, and he's friends with people whose location is Port Alberni.

[Edit: Along with that, Vice published photos of Bryer that the Bryer account had sent to another user on Steam.]

 

[MistyWaters]

But what are they supposed to do about it? Distance themselves is about the only thing you can do. It's up to family to deal with it, and we have no idea what was done. That "nobody intervened" is an assumption, and I suspect an incorrect one. His own mother sent him away because she was afraid of him.

I don’t think we know for sure that his mother was afraid of him but if there were relationship difficulties, grandparents often step up as semi-neutral parties. Living with her may also have been a condition that he cooperated in mental health treatment and he only appeared to go along with the arrangement on the surface while he continued to simmer inside. I agree, we can’t assume.

 

[CanadianMade]

Was Kam's profile previously not on private or was the info about him being an admin from the Rust page on the site?

I've been trying to source the talk about Kam being a mod/admin and haven't been able to yet because I couldn't remember which game it was.

Thanks!

The claimed Kam account listed him as a moderator for a group that played Rust. Not Rust itself.

 

[CanadianMade]

Well the Bryer account is friends with an account called Kam, they both left each other a comment on Bryer's page on the 4th June, and he's friends with people whose location is Port Alberni.

I have mentioned before that it is very possible to set your accounts offline and change your screen names. It is possible that is just someone messing around. With the amount of hacked and troll accounts on Twitter that showed up from this, I would not be surprised if the same showed up on Steam.....or even Anywhere else.

There were actually no friends on the claimed Bryer account that were listed from Port Alberni that I saw. I went through all 116 of them.