Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #15

[FactFinder3000]

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I think we need to discuss that taxi call some more. Do you think it was them that called? Maybe they had a satellite phone.

 

[olivebpa1]

That's an interesting article--thanks for sharing! The one guy who said he is right-wing and didnt think Bryer agreed with him because he thought Bryer was a communist further confirms to me that Bryer probably liked to be contrary and get a rise out of people.

MOO

I’ve been curious if Bryer had Adhd and ODD. We know he was in an alternative school. We really don’t know much about him either. His father wasn’t even in his life for 8 years. I’d prefer to hear from his mother or grandmother but completely understand why they aren’t talking.

 

[olivebpa1]

But what are they supposed to do about it? Distance themselves is about the only thing you can do. It's up to family to deal with it, and we have no idea what was done. That "nobody intervened" is an assumption, and I suspect an incorrect one. His own mother sent him away because she was afraid of him.

I bet Bryer did have intervention and services at some point in his life. Sometimes it’s just not enough.

 

[Moriarty]

Sorry @NJSleuth91 did I miss something? Bryer had a "long history of suicide threats"? Can you clarify for me or define "long'?

There were those comments his classmate stated he made five years ago about wanting to behead her, kill other students then put a gun in his mouth, and a reference to a recent Facebook thread that was deleted where others recounted his comments about killing his family and then himself:
Former classmates of northern B.C. murder suspect say he would describe killing himself, others

 

[Zella]

I’ve been curious if Bryer had Adhd and ODD. We know he was in an alternative school. We really don’t know much about him either. His father wasn’t even in his life for 8 years. I’d prefer to hear from his mother or grandmother but completely understand why they aren’t talking.

His grandma talked a little early on. She said she enjoyed having him in the house and didn't report any issues with him.
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[Zella]

The claimed Kam account listed him as a moderator for a group that played Rust. Not Rust itself.

That makes a lot more sense, actually--thank you!

 

[Valiant]

He did, he also mentioned it was draped over then fence or something? Which I found really perplexing. I’ve been stuck in mud many times and never pulled items out of my vehicle while doing that. You’re focused on one thing - getting unstuck!

But the RCMP would know if his original story included a sleeping bag.

Unless they were digging stuff out of the car to get to something (shovel, traction aids) stored under it in the car. But that was never mentioned (as in he reloaded he car after it was unstuck) so it sure sounds like an embellishment IMO.

 

[Optics]

Right. Seems gun-supply-gate is wrapping up.

I think we need to discuss that taxi call some more. Do you think it was them that called? Maybe they had a satellite phone.

LOL on gun-supply-gate. No I do not think it was them and no I do not think they had a satellite phone.

 

[cherrytree9]

I have mentioned before that it is very possible to set your accounts offline and change your screen names. It is possible that is just someone messing around. With the amount of hacked and troll accounts on Twitter that showed up from this, I would not be surprised if the same showed up on Steam.....or even Anywhere else.

Idk if you saw before I edited the comment, but Vice also published pictures of Bryer that the Bryer account sent to another user on there.

His account was also last active on the day that they left PA. I'm trying to be vague in case it breaks rules, but the account is friends with several of the same people he has/had on other social media and knew in real life.

People do mess around and there have at least been fake FB and Twitter accounts made, but everything points to that account being real.

 

[Pyecraft]

Right. Seems gun-supply-gate is wrapping up.

I think we need to discuss that taxi call some more. Do you think it was them that called? Maybe they had a satellite phone.

Well somebody did call for a cab, unless you're being selective with which '-gate' you believe.

 

[CanadianMade]

Idk if you saw before I edited the comment, but Vice also published pictures of Bryer that the Bryer account sent to another user on there.

The anonymous user, you mean? Or did someone just find photos of him from social media accounts and Say that account sent it to them?
It's all speculation. There has been nothing to confirm any of that.

His account was also last active on the day that they left PA. I'm trying to be vague in case it breaks rules, but the account is friends with several of the same people he has/had on other social media and knew in real life.

Right, and I have said all along that I believe there is someone out there who has been attempting to make these two(specifically Bryer) seem worse than they are. The day an account was last active says nothing. I expect there are many accounts out there who have the same 'last active' date. That same date would show if you were to set your profile to 'offline' as well. So someone could have simply set their accounts to offline, and changed their profile information.
I believe there are two of the same friends from SM.

People do mess around and there have at least been fake FB and Twitter accounts made, but everything points to that account being real.

Everything doesn't point to that though. It is just speculation.

ETA: Funny thing about those accounts as well....people seem to speculate that Bryer was harassing others etc. yet that account that is claimed to be his has no indication of that...not even any bans. So if it was his, then it would actually prove against all the talk that his Steam account is full of awful context.

 

[Jealoushe]

No, it's harder to get a gun here in my opinion. If you want to do it legally, you have to jump through a lot of hoops. If illegally, you have to have connections with gangs, shady friends or a family member.

Here as in Canada? I disagree and stand by my post, you could get a gun in 24 hours if you wanted one, easily. Without knowing shady people or gangs lol

 

[10ofRods]

Yeah, I'd like to see some kind of source on this as well. This claim keeps getting stronger and stronger, but we have been provided no proof that I've seen. Now we are told, "nothing about the van - not the VIN or the licence plate - connected the vehicle to the owner Lucas Fowler."

Not having insurance is a $598 fine. Police officers routinely run plates. There's a color coded sticker on the plate to indicate when it expires. Your vehicle would be towed and impounded. Going on a BC/Yukon road trip with no valid insurance would be absolutely insane. Also, the vehicle had to be registered to someone. Assuming that person was not Lucas, does it seem likely that the registered owner of the vehicle had no idea Lucas Fowler was using it?

MSM reported it this way:

Son of Australian police chief found dead in Canada

Combine that with the fact that Lucas known to be a resident of B.C. for two years, and we get the following deduction: the van was not registered to Lucas. He had never lived in Alberta, but the van was registered to (someone) in Alberta.

The rest of the information (about insurance) is rumor (IMO) although there was consensus in the early threads here that if the van had been in B.C., in and around the ranch, but was not registered in B.C., that it might not be insured. Naturally, the real owner could have been paying registration and insurance, despite living in B.C. (or perhaps moving back and forth between B.C. and Alberta? The registered owner's legal address for the van must surely have been in Alberta?)

At any rate, the van was not registered in B.C. to a B.C. resident, and Lucas was a B.C. resident (and apparently never an Alberta resident) ergo, Lucas was not the registered owner of the van. That's how that got started here.

 

[Pyecraft]

I agree but then I have thought that about 99% of the wild speculation that’s presented on here lol

You can choose RCMP's 'official' speculations on CBC if you'd prefer to wait, and wait, and ......

 

[Seattle1]

I thought all this was hashed over for many long hour days ago in a previous thread?

It sure was but there's one that refuses to acknowledge the MOTOR VEHICLE ACT [RSBC 1996] Chapter 318, and clings to their speculation as if fact.

MOO

 

[Jealoushe]

Vehicles registered in Alberta over 12 years and older require an inspection certificate when registered by the new owner. It’s also not entirely true insurance in Alberta is always cheaper than BC. That’s somewhat of a misperception because I have a relative who moved from BC to Alberta about the same age as LF and his insurance rate is higher here than in BC. Many BC residents who move and work in Alberta procrastinate in changing their ins/reg over for that same reason. Why the Alberta plates I think remains a mystery.

One thing I don’t know, is it possible to insure and register a vehicle in Alberta (or B.C.) with an out of country drivers licence? Because obtaining a drivers licence abstract is always part of the process.

http://www.registriesdirect.ca/pdf/VehicleInspection.pdf

Yes you can, but they would require you amend the license to whatever Province within a certain time period (IE 3 or 6 months)

 

[NJSleuth91]

K&B and others belong to a sub-culture, they value different things.

Then young people need to be more educated about this stuff. If Vice of all places said the picture was too disturbing to publish, it was probably pretty disturbing. Maybe it was a joke, maybe it wasn't. But one thing I do know from experience is if people joke about suicide a lot, that's probably a topic they think about a lot.

But what are they supposed to do about it? Distance themselves is about the only thing you can do. It's up to family to deal with it, and we have no idea what was done. That "nobody intervened" is an assumption, and I suspect an incorrect one. His own mother sent him away because she was afraid of him.

Um...tell someone? Sending your kid away is the exact opposite of intervening in the problem. And I'm not blaming it on her because it's really hard to get resources for these things a lot of the time. I'm not blaming his friends either for assuming it was a joke. I'm just saying we all need to be more aware and to do better as a society. We don't know if any other interventions were done, but as I detailed below, there's evidence to indicate there wasn't much done.

Sorry @NJSleuth91 did I miss something? Bryer had a "long history of suicide threats"? Can you clarify for me or define "long'?

Apparently since at least age 12 or 13 he was telling his classmates in graphic detail how he was going to kill them, and shoot himself in the face in front of them.

I’ve been curious if Bryer had Adhd and ODD. We know he was in an alternative school. We really don’t know much about him either. His father wasn’t even in his life for 8 years. I’d prefer to hear from his mother or grandmother but completely understand why they aren’t talking.

Well I'm going to say severe depression was a major part of it. ADHD is possible because maybe that's where he got the Ritalin from, and it would explain a lot. We may never know unless something comes out in the report.

Personally, I kind of have an issue with the existence of ODD. I know a few people who were diagnosed with it as kids, and they all came from unstable and dysfunctional homes and were just reacting to the lack of a stable home environment.

I bet Bryer did have intervention and services at some point in his life. Sometimes it’s just not enough.

"At some point in his life" definitely wouldn't have been enough. So far there's no evidence of any psychiatric treatment or diagnosis. His family probably would have said something about it. Usually families do, because they won't be vilified as much by the media. Like with Elliott Rodger, his dad talked openly about his diagnoses and therapy and how even that wasn't enough. Instead what we heard was Bryer's grandma, great-uncle, mom, and dad all saying either they had no idea he had any issues and he was quiet and polite, or in the case of his dad, they knew he was troubled but didn't think it was anything major. They also either had no idea about some of the other things he was involved in (ie. Nazis), or thought it wasn't a big deal. Obviously we don't know for sure if intervention would have been effective in preventing him from escalating to violence, but I think there's an entire highway's worth of signs indicating that a lot of this went overlooked.

 

[FactFinder3000]

I don’t think we know for sure that his mother was afraid of him but if there were relationship difficulties, grandparents often step up as semi-neutral parties. Living with her may also have been a condition that he cooperated in mental health treatment and he only appeared to go along with the arrangement on the surface while he continued to simmer inside. I agree, we can’t assume.

On the mother being afraid:

"But the relationship was rocky. 'I recall [Bryer's mother] saying a couple of times that she was afraid of him because of his outbursts,' the former co-worker said. The boy eventually ran away from home and moved in with his grandmother."

source: If you ‘inadvertently’ helped two suspected killers escape, please come forward, RCMP urge

 

[Jealoushe]

As I said previously British Columbia has a provincial government owned insurance corporation unlike most if not all the rest of the provinces in Canada. They are pretty tight on vehicle registration, insurances, etc. Even I being a lifelong resident of BC ran into this problem: I worked in the Yukon for 2 1/2 years. I had an SUV I bought as original owner in BC and it had all the hallmarks in BC. I took it to the Yukon while I worked there, and had to buy Yukon insurance to make it legal to drive and a Yukon drivers license for approx 1 year of my work up north. When I finished working in the Yukon, came back to our home in southern BC, I went to reinsurance in my home province. I was surprised to learn in reinsuring it, I had to have it go through an Inspection before I could get it reinsured, even though it was originally 'born' in BC. , ICBC and motor vehicles still treated like any vehicle that comes in or is purchased from out of province. I was not happy LOL, and yes anything that did not pass inspection was ordered to be fixed before approving the insurance. I forget but the law in BC is after 3 or 6 months maximum you must register and insure the vehicle in BC. This is why I was curious about the van having been bought in 2018 still having Alberta plates on it.

Safeties or inspections, are also dependant on the vehicle age and type. Older vehicles will require a safety to get insurance, as will heavy.

 

[MistyWaters]

His grandma talked a little early on. She said she enjoyed having him in the house and didn't report any issues with him.
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I think she gave this statement when B was only reported missing. I think that’s be the appropriate thing for her to say to the media at that point in time and it may have been at the suggestion of the RCMP even if they suspected there was more to their disappearance early on. “Didn’t report” doesn’t necessarily mean there were no issues, just that she didn’t disclose any.