Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #15

[otto]

Yet again, you are painting with a very broad brush, and can only speculate as to whether or not Prof Dyck had a gun cabinet. While Mennonites do not believe in owning handguns, they find hunting rifles perfectly acceptable...and those are exactly the types of weapons that would be found in a gun cabinet.

He was Mennonite (per obituary information). He was a professor. I think we need to respect him and his family and assume that he did not have a gun or a gun cabinet - especially since there is absolutely nothing to suggest that he did.

 

[SteveP]

It's very likely that they were the Toyota keys. It's impossible that the botanist had a gun.

Are there laws against a botanist having a gun, or is this just your opinion?

 

[MistyWaters]

Doubtful. First of all I don't think they were anywhere near that prepared, second of all I think they were probably more preoccupied with bug bites, waterborne illness, evading helicopters, working up to being able to shoot themselves, etc.



Which is why he was crying his eyes out while saying that. Like, come on. Realistically, they most likely weren't going to come out of it alive. Just because he acknowledged that, doesn't mean he secretly wanted it to happen. Also, you have to remember this is a guy who has a long history of negative interactions with the police...of course he's going to think the police will shoot first and ask questions later.

If the two had walked up to any RCMP station, unarmed, hands in the air and turned themselves in, yes I 100% believe the two would be alive today. But instead they didn’t value their lives any greater than the 3 innocent victims who they are accused of murdering. The reason they didn’t will become the motive IMO.

 

[NJSleuth91]

He had a great smile when he was a kid! The only pictures I've really seen him smile in when he was older, the smile doesn't reach his eyes.

Severe depression will do that to a person....

I have also wondered if the BS can't drive and had no license might be that at one point he did and could, but done something for it to be revoked so thus he didn't have one and could not drive.

Multiple members of his family said he never learned.

 

[SteveP]

He was Mennonite (per obituary information). He was a professor. I think we need to respect him and his family and assume that he did not have a gun or a gun cabinet - especially since there is absolutely nothing to suggest that he did.

I see absolutely nothing disrespectful about suggesting he could have had a gun or gun cabinet. Not every gun is purchased with the intentions of killing another person.

 

[NJSleuth91]

If the two had walked up to any RCMP station, unarmed, hands in the air and turned themselves in, yes I 100% believe the two would be alive today. But instead they didn’t value their lives any greater than the 3 innocent victims who they are accused of murdering. The reason they didn’t will become the motive IMO.

Obviously. But realistically, were they going to do that? Two troubled teenagers, at least one of which had shown signs of being suicidal for years, both of which would fare very badly in prison? Who had already run away across half a continent? Unlikely.

 

[otto]

Are there laws against a botanist having a gun, or is this just your opinion?

It is my opinion that Canadian Mennonites do not have guns, and it is my opinion that we should not suggest that he had a gun based on thin air. It is also my opinion that professors do not carry a gun to do field research.

There is absolutely no information or evidence that he had a gun. It is also my opinion that it would be distressing to the family to learn that after his death people tried to put a gun in his hands.

 

[MassGuy]

He was Mennonite (per obituary information). He was a professor. I think we need to respect him and his family and assume that he did not have a gun or a gun cabinet - especially since there is absolutely nothing to suggest that he did.

What would be so bad about owning a gun?

How is it in any way disrespectful to believe it’s possible he owned one?

ETA: @SteveP beat me to it.

 

[Zella]

Severe depression will do that to a person....

Agreed! Based on the suicidal threats he was making when he was 13, it sounds like he was likely depressed for a long time.

 

[Gina20]

We do not know who any of the items on the key ring belonged to. We do not know if every item on that key ring belonged to a different person. The crime scene was unattended for an extended period of time.

If anyone has a link to a police statement about the ownership of each of the items on the key ring, please post it here.

 

[otto]

What would be so bad about owning a gun?

How is it in any way disrespectful to believe it’s possible he owned one?

ETA: @SteveP beat me to it.

Mennonites and guns are not a thing.
More importantly, there is absolutely nothing to support the wild speculation that the botanist had a gun. Since we're looking for facts, shouldn't we have a fact before we try to put a gun in the hands of a random murder victim?

 

[musicaljoke]

Are there laws against a botanist having a gun, or is this just your opinion?

It isn't against the law, but it's deeply set into the moral fibre of many people in the Vancouver area, including academics. You'd need to live there for only a short while to truly understand how much distain there is about gun aquisition, ownership and use.

I suspect that the intellectual community of Vancouver has the strongest anti-gun sentiment of any group, anywhere in North America. I don't know if LD owned a gun, but it would be shocking if he did.

If the keys belonged to LD, then it's far more likely that they were related to his work somehow, perhaps a locker, lab cupboard, filing cabinet or some such thing.

moo

 

[MassGuy]

Mennonites and guns are not a thing.
More importantly, there is absolutely nothing to support the wild speculation that the botanist had a gun. Since we're looking for facts, shouldn't we have a fact before we try to put a gun in the hands of a random murder victim?

So Mennonites in Canada don’t hunt, like they do here in the United States?

 

[SteveP]

Mennonites and guns are not a thing.
More importantly, there is absolutely nothing to support the wild speculation that the botanist had a gun. Since we're looking for facts, shouldn't we have a fact before we try to put a gun in the hands of a random murder victim?

I have seen lots of things, from lots of people, speculated here, or even passed off as fact, with nothing to back them up, and the thought that a man travelling and camping ALONE in that area MAY have taken a rife along is hardly WILD speculation...I think it is reasonable speculation. You are entitled to your opinion, as is everyone else.

 

[otto]

It isn't against the law, but it's deeply set into the moral fibre of many people in the Vancouver area, including academics. You'd need to live there for only a short while to truly understand how much distain there is about gun aquisition, ownership and use.

I suspect that the intellectual community of Vancouver has the strongest anti-gun sentiment of any group, anywhere in North America. I don't know if LD owned a gun, but it would be shocking if he did.

moo

This is an important point. It seems that Leonard Dyck, his life, his profession, his achievements and and his values are excluded in order to speculate that he had a gun. If we look at the man, then it is impossible that he had a gun.

 

[Kiantra]

A couple of things I’ve wonder about today was;
1. Did the two actually quit Walmart. Or was one or both fired? Or, was one was fired so the other quits? Did that make them angry? Was that a trigger?
2. If they were fired or quit, the parents would understandably be upset with the both of them. Would the drive them both closer together? Making them angry against the parents and grandparent so they say, “I’m out of here.”
3. Did Bryer read Red Flagged? Did Kam read it? Did Bryer talk about it with him? Was there something written in the book that intrigued them? Was that an additional trigger?
Just some thoughts.

 

[JudgeJudi]

That being said, I do believe he said the blaze of glory thing in the 2nd interview, but it was snipped out of the video. You can tell that parts were edited in that 2nd interview video. It's not a full, non-stop recording.. its clipped together. He also isn't heard saying anything about the funeral suit in that interview, it was just reported. He is heard saying the "RIP Bryer, I love you. I'm sorry this had to happen, I'm so sorry I couldn't rescue you" in the video though.

My sincere apologies, I stand corrected. It was the second interview. I had the right text but the wrong video.

 

[Sillybilly]

Scroll and roll folks !!

 

[Gina20]

DBM.

 

[1987]

some people have gun cabinets for the fire damage protection they have. I know I have a gun cabinet that if anyone ever breaks in and takes they will be greatly disappointed. it has no guns and nothing of value to anyone except me.