Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #15

[otto]

It's secondhand, but I can see Bryer telling his dad that, and it also being true. Kam might even have been the one who told Bryer's dad that. It certainly fits the accounts of other people that they didn't see Kam around Bryer's place.

Even if Kam was over there some, I'd venture to say the amount of time spent at Kam's place was way more.

Maybe, when they were younger they were at each other's house, and maybe 12 or 13 more at Kam's house? Better after school snacks? Better computer? Parents at work?

 

[Zella]

B’s dad claimed he had no contact with his son between the ages of 8 and 16. B reportedly has lived with his grandmother after the short stint with his father at age 16. AS apparently stayed in a hotel or with friends when visiting his son once a month in Port Alberni. Given AS’s animosity towards his ex resulting in the Criminal Harassment charges against him, I think his portrayal of Bs home life in general might be somewhere between a tiny bit to totally biased. Perhaps we’ll learn more when the police report is finalized as I’m certain the RCMP will have reason to investigate it thoroughly.

Yes, I'm not going to rule that out, but I also think it matches what other people are saying. In fact, one of the reasons I found the interview with the great-uncle so interesting was it matched quite a bit of what Bryer's dad said even though I doubt those two have anything to do with each other (it being Bryer's great-uncle on his mom's side.)

I can also totally envision some awkward small talk between Bryer's dad and Kam--since he does seem to have met Kam, unlike Bryer's great-uncle--where Bryer's dad asks what Bryer's mom's house is like and Kam's response was something along the lines of "I dunno. I've never been." LOL

 

[LoisLane]

It appears he was travelling alone.

“The trip to the Dease Lake area wasn’t part of original Dyck’s plans, Friesen said, adding he was only supposed to travel between Terrace and Stewart.

“[It was] kind of random in nature. He decided, ‘I’m going to go further up north. I got the time,’” he said...”
Family of B.C. murder victim remembers Leonard Dyck as ‘gentle soul,’ family man

Interesting! I hadn’t seen this before. So LD must have confirmed with someone that he was heading to Dease Lake. I wonder if there is any connection with KM and BS being in the same spots, Terrace and Stewart.

Still, it is possible his family was with him on the trip, (just not with him when he was murdered).

 

[KR72]

Interesting! I hadn’t seen this before. So LD must have confirmed with someone that he was heading to Dease Lake. I wonder if there is any connection with KM and BS being in the same spots, Terrace and Stewart.

Still, it is possible his family was with him on the trip, (just not with home when he was murdered).

There was an article that mentioned that LD took this particular trip alone, although he did often go camping with his family. I wish I could remember where I read that...

 

[NJSleuth91]

Yes, I'm not going to rule that out, but I also think it matches what other people are saying. In fact, one of the reasons I found the interview with the great-uncle so interesting was it matched quite a bit of what Bryer's dad said even though I doubt those two have anything to do with each other (it being Bryer's great-uncle on his mom's side.)

I can also totally envision some awkward small talk between Bryer's dad and Kam--since he does seem to have met Kam, unlike Bryer's great-uncle--where Bryer's dad asks what Bryer's mom's house is like and Kam's response was something along the lines of "I dunno. I've never been." LOL

I don't doubt at all that his dad was telling the truth with that. It just makes so much sense to me for the reasons I talked about. It fits perfectly with everything else we know. Plus, as mentioned, his great-uncle seemed to be pretty close to his grandma, and yet never met Kam, who was described as "inseparable" from Bryer. And, remember, this is in a small town of under 20K people, where people probably run into each other all the time. I can't see that happening unless Bryer was specifically trying to prevent them from meeting each other. I see absolutely no reason to doubt the veracity of that particular statement. JMO.

 

[Seattle1]

Interesting! I hadn’t seen this before. So LD must have confirmed with someone that he was heading to Dease Lake. I wonder if there is any connection with KM and BS being in the same spots, Terrace and Stewart.

Still, it is possible his family was with him on the trip, (just not with home when he was murdered).

I'm thinking not only because of the extended time it took to identify Mr. Dyck-- even after the excellent sketch was released.

MOO

 

[Zella]

I don't doubt at all that his dad was telling the truth with that. It just makes so much sense to me for the reasons I talked about. It fits perfectly with everything else we know. Plus, as mentioned, his great-uncle seemed to be pretty close to his grandma, and yet never met Kam, who was described as "inseparable" from Bryer. And, remember, this is in a small town of under 20K people, where people probably run into each other all the time. I can't see that happening unless Bryer was specifically trying to prevent them from meeting each other. I see absolutely no reason to doubt the veracity of that particular statement. JMO.

Yes, the great-uncle's story and the neighbor who knew Bryer well because he was over at her house all the time is what really confirmed it to me. I thought it was pretty telling that he was friends with the neighbor's son, spent a lot of time at her house, and never once brought Kam along, even though they were doing stuff like playing video games, which would have been right up Kam's alley.

 

[LoisLane]

I'm thinking not only because of the extended time it took to identify Mr. Dyck-- even after the excellent sketch was released.

MOO

Have police released sketches of victims for public identification even tho they have a confirmed identification already?

 

[otto]

Interesting! I hadn’t seen this before. So LD must have confirmed with someone that he was heading to Dease Lake. I wonder if there is any connection with KM and BS being in the same spots, Terrace and Stewart.

Still, it is possible his family was with him on the trip, (just not with him when he was murdered).

The suspects and the third victim must have passed through Prince George to end up together (with a starting point of Vancouver). It looks like Len Dyck went left and the suspects went right at Prince George. That's were the suspects met the tourists on July 14/15. After those murders, they most likely continued North and ended up at Dease Lake by July 18. That's when they needed a different vehicle and murdered the botanist 50 km South of Dease Lake.

His family was not with him. It took 4-5 days to identify him.

 

[MistyWaters]

Yes but they could have split up for a day or two (while he worked or explored). Possibly they had no contact or knowledge of what was happening up there (if they were camping or disconnected from media).

Also, it is possible the family knew sooner of his death but the sketch and appeal to the public was part of LE’s way of bringing in information.

A description of the missing RAV4 is far better information than a sketch of an unknown deceased individual, in appealing to the public. The RCMP wouldn’t holdback critical information such as that if LD had been identified sooner.

 

[Zella]

Have police released sketches of victims for public identification even tho they have a confirmed identification already?

I've personally never heard of that. Not going to say it's unheard of, but it seems to be at odds with how much more conclusive a family ID would be.

 

[MistyWaters]

Have police released sketches of victims for public identification even tho they have a confirmed identification already?

The reason the sketch was released was because the victim was unknown. The public is not a reliable source of identification. Dental records are often used to support a family members confirmation of the identity of a deceased loved one.

“As the search continues for two murder suspects linked to the deaths of three people in Northern B.C., the identity of one of the deceased individuals remains unknown.”
Updated: B.C. RCMP identify unknown dead male found near Dease Lake

 

[Seattle1]

Have police released sketches of victims for public identification even tho they have a confirmed identification already?

I'm not sure. This sketch was released on July 19 when victim (LD) body found on the road near the teens burned truck/camper.

I don't think RCMP announced the victim identified until around 7/24.

July 19: A burning pickup truck and third body are discovered

The Dodge pickup truck driven by Mr McLeod and Mr Schmegelsky was found on fire at a highway stopping point at an area known as Dease Lake in British Columbia — about 115 kilometres south of Jade City.

A body, which has not yet been identified by police, was found around 2 kilometres from the scene.

PHOTO: A sketch of the unidentified man found near the burning pickup truck. (Supplied: RCMP)

 

[LoisLane]

A description of the missing RAV4 is far better information than a sketch of an unknown deceased individual, in appealing to the public. The RCMP wouldn’t holdback critical information such as that if LD had been identified sooner.

I can understand that but in such a small community it may have prompted anyone who had seen or interacted with him to come forward.

 

[JudgeJudi]

In this interview, Leonard Dyck’s cousin, Eric Friesen, said, “The way that he died - violently and murdered in cold blood”.

Family of B.C. murder victim remembers Leonard Dyck as ‘gentle soul,’ family man | Watch News Videos Online

The video includes a photo of LD when he was younger and wearing a check shirt. He so reminds me of LF.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Yes, the great-uncle's story and the neighbor who knew Bryer well because he was over at her house all the time is what really confirmed it to me. I thought it was pretty telling that he was friends with the neighbor's son, spent a lot of time at her house, and never once brought Kam along, even though they were doing stuff like playing video games, which would have been right up Kam's alley.

In general I'm getting the sense that Bryer was a person who really compartmentalized his life. A lot of people who come from dysfunctional homes are like that. As you said, he had an almost uncanny sense of what aspects of his personality or life were acceptable to share with which people. Sometimes it backfired (ie. talking about Nazis with his dad) but a lot of times it didn't.

I think this is a major reason why so many signs were missed. The only people who got that information were people who he sensed weren't going to take it seriously. And because there was no communication between those people, ie. his peers and family, they definitely weren't going to tell anyone even if they did take it seriously. I think he was "testing" people because part of him wanted somebody to take notice and be like "dude wtf, are you okay?" But he also would have been really upset about it if they actually had, so he also sabotaged that from happening. This dynamic is very common among people with depression and other mental illnesses, and especially suicidal people. Especially if they've had traumatic experiences with "the system" like, say, seeing their dad get dragged away in handcuffs repeatedly (even if it was justified, still very traumatic for a kid). JMO.

 

[Zella]

I can understand that but in such a small community it may have prompted anyone who had seen or interacted with him to come forward.

I would think in that case, though, if they already had him identified, a name to go with the face would be more helpful. Some people remember names better than faces.

 

[otto]

A description of the missing RAV4 is far better information than a sketch of an unknown deceased individual, in appealing to the public. The RCMP wouldn’t holdback critical information such as that if LD had been identified sooner.

The RCMP had no idea that a Rav4 had been stolen on July 19. They had a burned camper truck and an unidentifiable body.

They released a sketch. We don't know what came of that. We do know that the suspects were seen driving a Rav4 on July 21, and there was CCTV footage from Meadow Lake on the AB/SK border.

On July 22, the teens were named suspects (not missing) and they burned the Rav4. On July 23 or 24, Dyck was identified. On August 7 it was confirmed that police knew after July 22 that the Rav4 belonged to the Dease Lake victim.

RCMP learned about the Rav4 after it was destroyed. Dyck was very likely identified through the Rav4 licence plate and/or VIN.

 

[LoisLane]

I've personally never heard of that. Not going to say it's unheard of, but it seems to be at odds with how much more conclusive a family ID would be.

Yes and I what I’m trying to say is that the family could have been already informed and ID’d him and with permission (possibly) the sketch was distributed as some sort of tactic.. either for tips or to lead the perps into thinking they have a bit of time to sit tight.

 

[Zella]

Yes and I what I’m trying to say is that the family could have been already informed and ID’d him and with permission (possibly) the sketch was distributed as some sort of tactic.. either for tips or to lead the perps into thinking they have a bit of time to sit tight.

I think police were using some tactics to reassure the suspects if they were listening, but I don't think that was one of them. It wouldn't surprise me if they were suspected right away though weren't announced as suspects immediately. Likewise, the fact LE often called them Kam and Bryer in press conferences may have been calculated.

As for them sitting tight, with the confirmed sightings of them in other provinces once they were deemed missing, I think LE realized they had 2 runners. I don't think delaying the confirmation on LD was going to make them stop fleeing once they started the long joy ride, and I think LE knew that.

All MOO