Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #15

[LoisLane]

I'm not sure. This sketch was released on July 19 when victim (LD) body found on the road near the teens burned truck/camper.

I don't think RCMP announced the victim identified until around 7/24.

July 19: A burning pickup truck and third body are discovered

The Dodge pickup truck driven by Mr McLeod and Mr Schmegelsky was found on fire at a highway stopping point at an area known as Dease Lake in British Columbia — about 115 kilometres south of Jade City.

A body, which has not yet been identified by police, was found around 2 kilometres from the scene.

PHOTO: A sketch of the unidentified man found near the burning pickup truck. (Supplied: RCMP)

So was it the same day LD was found a sketch was produced and distributed to the media? This sketch could have been taken from his drivers license photo or school ID badge for all we know. There could have been some way that LE was able to identify LD and notify the family ahead of releasing the sketch to the public.

 

[MistyWaters]

Yes, I'm not going to rule that out, but I also think it matches what other people are saying. In fact, one of the reasons I found the interview with the great-uncle so interesting was it matched quite a bit of what Bryer's dad said even though I doubt those two have anything to do with each other (it being Bryer's great-uncle on his mom's side.)

I can also totally envision some awkward small talk between Bryer's dad and Kam--since he does seem to have met Kam, unlike Bryer's great-uncle--where Bryer's dad asks what Bryer's mom's house is like and Kam's response was something along the lines of "I dunno. I've never been." LOL

But why would Bryer’s dad ask Kam what Bryer’s mom’s house was like? It’s very possible she had a no contact order considering his criminal harassment charges and reportedly she claimed she was fearful for her life.

 

[otto]

I can understand that but in such a small community it may have prompted anyone who had seen or interacted with him to come forward.

RCMP did ask everyone to come forward if they had seen the murdered man. It looks like he was only identified after the Rav4 that the suspects were driving could be directly connected to Len Dyck. RCMP didn't need anyone else to come forward after identifying the body.

 

[otto]

In general I'm getting the sense that Bryer was a person who really compartmentalized his life. A lot of people who come from dysfunctional homes are like that. As you said, he had an almost uncanny sense of what aspects of his personality or life were acceptable to share with which people. Sometimes it backfired (ie. talking about Nazis with his dad) but a lot of times it didn't.

I think this is a major reason why so many signs were missed. The only people who got that information were people who he sensed weren't going to take it seriously. And because there was no communication between those people, ie. his peers and family, they definitely weren't going to tell anyone even if they did take it seriously. I think he was "testing" people because part of him wanted somebody to take notice and be like "dude wtf, are you okay?" But he also would have been really upset about it if they actually had, so he also sabotaged that from happening. This dynamic is very common among people with depression and other mental illnesses, and especially suicidal people. Especially if they've had traumatic experiences with "the system" like, say, seeing their dad get dragged away in handcuffs repeatedly (even if it was justified, still very traumatic for a kid). JMO.

Self-defeating existence?

 

[Zella]

But why would Bryer’s dad ask Kam what Bryer’s mom’s house was like? It’s very possible she had a no contact order considering his criminal harassment charges and reportedly she claimed she was fearful for her life.

If he was curious about what was going on over there while he was absent, he might have, thinking Kam was a safer source of questions than Bryer. I've certainly asked nosier questions of people. Lol

He might also have asked Bryer what he and Kam liked to do at his mom's house to figure out what Bryer liked to do once they started seeing each other again and was instead met with a blunt, "I don't have Kam over at Mom's house."

MOO

 

[LoisLane]

I would think in that case, though, if they already had him identified, a name to go with the face would be more helpful. Some people remember names better than faces.

If they had a verbal exchange with introductions. Name exchange at the park washrooms or in a restaurant etc. isn’t typical.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Self-defeating existence?

Pretty much.

 

[Zella]

If they had a verbal exchange with introductions. Name exchange at the park washrooms or in a restaurant etc. isn’t typical.

Restaurant staff might remember a name on a credit card, though.

 

[MistyWaters]

So was it the same day LD was found a sketch was produced and distributed to the media? This sketch could have been taken from his drivers license photo or school ID badge for all we know. There could have been some way that LE was able to identify LD and notify the family ahead of releasing the sketch to the public.

No, the sketch was released July 22nd. MSM updated news reports when the RCMP announced the victim had been identified on July 24th. By that time his burned RAV4 had also been recovered.

Police say link ‘possible’ between northern B.C. double murder, missing teens, dead man

 

[LoisLane]

Restaurant staff might remember a name on a credit card, though.

That’s true. If he paid by card. Haha!
Anyways.. like we will ever know.

 

[LoisLane]

No, the sketch was released July 22nd. MSM updated news reports when the RCMP announced the victim had been identified on July 24th. By that time his burned RAV4 had also been recovered.

Police say link ‘possible’ between northern B.C. double murder, missing teens, dead man

Good to know. I still think the idea is possible.

 

[JudgeJudi]

The tow truck driver who pulled the van from the crime scene to Fort Nelson said, ““[The officers] didn’t let me touch anything, they wouldn’t let me go around to the back of the vehicle until I got it onto the truck to tie it on”. He also couldn’t see anything inside the van.

I don't recall reading this before.

Tourist couple found dead off B.C. highway were ‘happy’ and ‘confident,’ bystanders say

 

[otto]

If he was curious about what was going on over there while he was absent, he might have, thinking Kam was a safer source of questions than Bryer. I've certainly asked nosier questions of people. Lol

He might also have asked Bryer what he and Kam liked to do at his mom's house to figure out what Bryer liked to do once they started seeing each other again and was instead met with a blunt, "I don't have Kam over at Mom's house."

MOO

Kam didn't go to Bryer's fathers' house either, according to interviews with the father. Kam didn't go to any of Bryer's homes. It was the other way around.

Bryer's father didn't give them a vehicle, a camper, a gun that is used to shoot people. He was restricted from seeing his son for the last 10 years, but after his son turned 16, Bryer had a say.

I don't think Bryer's father can speak to whether Kam was at Bryer's house simply because he has admitted mental health issues and Bryer is a liar. He lied either to his father and/or his grandmother about his plans.

 

[MistyWaters]

If he was curious about what was going on over there while he was absent, he might have, thinking Kam was a safer source of questions than Bryer. I've certainly asked nosier questions of people. Lol

He might also have asked Bryer what he and Kam liked to do at his mom's house to figure out what Bryer liked to do once they started seeing each other again and was instead met with a blunt, "I don't have Kam over at Mom's house."

MOO

But apparently Bryer didn’t live at his mom’s house once AS began having contact with him at age 16. He lived with his grandmother.

I can look for a link if you like.

 

[otto]

The tow truck driver who pulled the van from the crime scene to Fort Nelson said, ““[The officers] didn’t let me touch anything, they wouldn’t let me go around to the back of the vehicle until I got it onto the truck to tie it on”. He also couldn’t see anything inside the van.

I don't recall reading this before.

Tourist couple found dead off B.C. highway were ‘happy’ and ‘confident,’ bystanders say

That was reported early. He wasn't told that he was going to a crime scene, he wasn't allowed to go to the back of the vehicle until he tied it on, and I'm guessing the back window was taped up before the van was taken to the RCMP lot. Maybe he couldn't see anything inside because it was a crime scene and the windows were sealed.

 

[sprucetip]

I imagine there's jobs there but Vancouver Island is also experiencing a construction boom all year round, they are dying for trades guys here! We don't have a mine (that I'm aware of) so that would be good work.

I just have a hard time believing that was their motivation I guess. That one men commented how soft their hands were, I just summed them up to be slacker computer/gamer guys as BS didn't seem to hack construction with his dad.

I agree, and lots of jobs in Alberta if they were going there.

I don’t see them working hard labour either, it was all likely bs so they could tell people something to account for their disappearing act. I really wonder what KM told his family...

 

[Zella]

But apparently Bryer didn’t live at his mom’s house once AS began having contact with him at age 16. He lived with his grandmother.

I can look for a link if you like.

Oh I'm aware of Bryer living with his grandmother since he was 16. I'm just offering possible ways this may have come up in conversation. I realize that some of what Bryer's dad says needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but there are other sources that seem to verify that, at the very least, Bryer spent a lot more time at other friends' houses than the other way around. For that reason, I don't doubt the general gist of what his father is saying.

 

[otto]

But apparently Bryer didn’t live at his mom’s house once AS began having contact with him at age 16. He lived with his grandmother.

I can look for a link if you like.

When Bryer had a choice, he moved in with his grandmother. He did spend a couple of weeks during that time doing construction with his father in exchange for a computer.

It was his grandmother who first reported that the missing teens were headed to Whitehorse, and it was hard to understand why their truck would be in Dease Lake. It was possible that they were hijacked in Whitehorse. All sorts of thoughts were floating around. Then the father said they were going to Red Deer, AB and he was confident that their survivalist games had prepared them for bogs.

 

[puppyraiser]

Did LE discover LD's identity possibly a day earlier than reported and that's why there was a publication ban for one day in the hopes that KM and BS would be found before being listed as suspects in the murder?

 

[JudgeJudi]

That was reported early. He wasn't told that he was going to a crime scene, he wasn't allowed to go to the back of the vehicle until he tied it on, and I'm guessing the back window was taped up before the van was taken to the RCMP lot. Maybe he couldn't see anything inside because it was a crime scene and the windows were sealed.

No-one could see through the broken window as it had black plastic taped over it to prevent more glass from falling out, but the left window looked normal to me. The photo of the van in the police parking lot doesn't appear to show any other windows being covered.



Lucas Fowler and the minibus of Chynna Deese with a blown rear window