Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #17

[kmclaren]

Manhunt suspects previously spotted in Fairview: RCMP

Yeah the story is fine, it's the internal Esso email I haven't seen that in MSM anywhere?

 

[LoisLane]

Yeah the story is fine, it's the internal Esso email I haven't seen that in MSM anywhere?

Oh right.. yes I will get it.

 

[Kubirai]

Early pictures of the truck show it with the hood closed. It’s only after they started processing the truck that images, with the yellow evidence markers, show it with the hood open.

Early photo of burnt truck with closed hood actually supports my hunch that the fire was started inside the camper. A second fire was inside the cab. The tires probably got burnt by fire creeping under the dash from inside the cab.

Top surface of hood and some areas of side panels still show white paint, so the fire didn't yet engulf the whole truck before firefighters put it out.

 

[copkid]

Not sure if this has been shared already, but I think I saw someone asking about why they hadn’t been spotted in gas stations en route? Apparently, these photos of Kam were taken at Abasand Esso in Fort Mcmurry, Alberta

EDIT: oops, Fairview, not Fort Mcmurry!

When the Fairview sighting was first discussed, it was said to have been on July 20th.
It took Abasand Esso until Aug 1 to send this memo to inform staff??

I also do not think that is a Rav 4 in the picture, the roof racks more resemble a mini-van. JMO

 

[LoisLane]

Yeah the story is fine, it's the internal Esso email I haven't seen that in MSM anywhere?

Sorry, can’t locate it.
If anyone is looking I think it was in a video... would be a shame if we can’t use it without a link.

 

[Zella]

When did the RCMP finish processing the scene of LF/CD's murders?

It sounds like for KM/BS to be in Fairview, Alberta on July 20 (Manhunt suspects previously spotted in Fairview: RCMP), they would have driven back by the first crime scene on July 19/20, not sure which day. So, around the same time that the story about the identities of the victims started breaking.

 

[Kubirai]

LOL I think I'll wait and see if the RCMP "confirm" it. LOL

They won't.

I highlighted that date and time because it clearly doesn't fit the already confirmed timeline at Stikine River in BC and Meadow Lake in Saskatchewan.

 

[kmclaren]

When the Fairview sighting was first discussed, it was said to have been on July 20th.
It took Abasand Esso until Aug 1 to send this memo to inform staff??

I also do not think that is a Rav 4 in the picture, the roof racks more resemble a mini-van. JMO

That is almost certainly a Rav4, probably a 2011 or 2012 (I know my Toyotas LOL). Not sure if it was ever released what year Len's was?

stock photo of 2011 from a similar angle: 2011 Toyota RAV4 Reviews - Research RAV4 Prices & Specs - MotorTrend

 

[MistyWaters]

Early photo of burnt truck with closed hood actually supports my hunch that the fire was started inside the camper. A second fire was inside the cab. The tires probably got burnt by fire creeping under the dash from inside the cab.

Top surface of hood and some areas of side panels still show white paint, so the fire didn't yet engulf the whole truck before firefighters put it out.

No white paint. The truck was red and grey. Tinges of red paint can still be seen on the hood.

 

[acutename]

That is almost certainly a Rav4, probably a 2011 or 2012 (I know my Toyotas LOL). Not sure if it was ever released what year Len's was?

stock photo of 2011: 2011 Toyota RAV4 Reviews - Research RAV4 Prices & Specs - MotorTrend

a 2011

 

[MistyWaters]

That is almost certainly a Rav4, probably a 2011 or 2012 (I know my Toyotas LOL). Not sure if it was ever released what year Len's was?

stock photo of 2011 from a similar angle: 2011 Toyota RAV4 Reviews - Research RAV4 Prices & Specs - MotorTrend

After the Meadow Lake sighting this photo was released by the RCMP, described as a 2011 Toyota RAV4. The top racks and the rear spare tire can be seen on the burned out photos.


Burned-out vehicle linked to fugitives Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky found in northern Manitoba

 

[Kubirai]

Why? For the same reason people here make themselves part of the story by recalling their own personal experiences ...

I agree, but it is human nature to find something you share in common with the victims. We follow some murders more than others.

 

[MistyWaters]

When did the RCMP finish processing the scene of LF/CD's murders?

It sounds like for KM/BS to be in Fairview, Alberta on July 20 (Manhunt suspects previously spotted in Fairview: RCMP), they would have driven back by the first crime scene on July 19/20, not sure which day. So, around the same time that the story about the identities of the victims started breaking.

I don’t think we know when police left the crime scene.

Yes, L&C were identified only the day before. It’s certainly possible they drove by, maybe even more than once if they were spotted in Jade City getting free coffee on the 18th, yet locals at Dease Lake recall them in hanging around the area for a few days prior.

 

[sandbar]

Ironically it was the burning vehicle that brought immediate attention to their disappearance. If they were looking to buy time they could’ve driven to a private campground, paid a few days fee and nobody would’ve been the wiser they were long gone and the next camping fee was due. Or just parked in the bush, until somebody noticed and reported the truck and camper abandoned, it would’ve went unnoticed. Smoke and fire is guaranteed to create attention at some point in time and a vehicle burning in the bush would not just burn itself out without spreading to adjacent areas. That’s just the nature of fire and why wood is well known to be used in campfires.

That’s one of the puzzling aspects to this case, the burning of vehicles, not once but twice.

There’s something very unusual about this photo of the burned truck which doesn’t make any sense. Notice the vegetation and trees including the green weeds right behind the truck box which the camper was sitting atop of...that reportedly melted due to the high intensity heat? JMO but the site of the burning truck and camper can’t have been exactly where some of the media reports state, at the same site as this photo. I think it was towed out of the deeper bush.

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B.C. teens charged with 2nd-degree murder as Canada-wide manhunt continues

I've always thought that they wanted to engage LE, or else it's like playing a video game alone.

 

[sandbar]

Not sure if this has been shared already, but I think I saw someone asking about why they hadn’t been spotted in gas stations en route? Apparently, these photos of Kam were taken at Abasand Esso in Fort Mcmurry, Alberta

EDIT: oops, Fairview, not Fort Mcmurry!

THANKS so much for this, great find!

Can anyone enhance the shot of Kam alone? It would be great for those of us who wonder if it's Kam crossing the frame in the gas station footage from Ft. Nelson.

 

[sandbar]

The truck in this link is the exact truck. The house in the background is the Mcleod’s.

Thanks for clarifying!

 

[Kubirai]

No white paint. The truck was red and grey. Tinges of red paint can still be seen on the hood.

The red pigment may have evaporated just from the heat, leaving mostly white primer. We see blackened metal surfaces just above the tire fires. But the hood and sides show whitish areas.

They probably started separate fires inside the cab and camper, so the roof paint was most affected.

 

[MistyWaters]

Not sure if this has been shared already, but I think I saw someone asking about why they hadn’t been spotted in gas stations en route? Apparently, these photos of Kam were taken at Abasand Esso in Fort Mcmurry, Alberta

EDIT: oops, Fairview, not Fort Mcmurry!

What’s the source of this Essa memo and why is a pic of a newer blue van shown in the centre of the three photos?

 

[ErinBat]

That is definitely a RAV4 not a van. I’d think that’s an actual still shot from gas station video cameras. It is odd they waited so long to send it out but perhaps it wasn’t discovered right away.

 

[SteveP]

That is definitely a RAV4 not a van. I’d think that’s an actual still shot from gas station video cameras. It is odd they waited so long to send it out but perhaps it wasn’t discovered right away.

Look at the pictures of Mr Dyck's Rav4. The side windows near the back are completely different from the one in the Esso bulletin. How do you explain that?

I do not know how, but would love for someone to post pic of Prof Dyck's Rav4 next to this vehicle in the warning bulletin. I think you will clearly see differences.