Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #17

[Arizona 123]

SBM

I think one of the unspoken reasons this case has generated a lot of media attention, beyond it just being so weird, is because the victims and suspects are all really conventionally attractive people. (Not lobbing that as a criticism, just an observation.) LF, CD, KM, and BS all have nice-looking features. Even though LD was an older man, he was also distinguished-looking and was handsome in the younger pics that have been published.

MOO

I tend to agree, that's part of it.

After all, they did put one of the Boston Bombers on the cover of Rolling Stone. Not a mug shot, a modeling-type shot.

 

[MistyWaters]

And the withholding of any information/evidence - has RCMP even officially confirmed the RAV belonged to LD? Apart from that possibility I have seen nothing else! (I still wonder if RCMP would have even disclosed CD's and LF's cause of death if it had not been made public by OZ media, they still haven't disclosed LD's).

Yes, that the RAV4 was owned by LD was confirmed during the last PC by the B.C. RCMP. Earlier they indicated LDs cause of death wasn’t released with respect to his family. Whether more information will be released during the upcoming update, we can only speculate but in Canada family members of crime victims do have the right to request certain information remains private. But if the RCMP do have reason to release LDs cause of death because it’s an essential piece of evidence linking the 3 murders, I’m not expecting any great depth of detail.

The focus will be on K&B, not only their actions beginning on July 12th but also dwelling into family history which may be key to understanding how “good boys” turned bad.
JMO

 

[musicaljoke]

define next of kin please.

In BC, a "next of kin" is named in each person's medical record in accordance with the BC Hospital Act 18 (1) (a). Often it is the mother of a child until another next of kin is named.

Hospital Act

 

[Lalalacasbah]

In BC, a "next of kin" is named in each person's medical record in accordance with the BC Hospital Act 18 (1) (a). Often it is the mother of a child until another next of kin is named.

Hospital Act

Interesting, thank you!

 

[MistyWaters]

I mentioned this earlier that is exactly what I think happened.

I agree, I’d bet AS was the anonymous leaker of the video as well. The description of it as a Last Will and Testament was telling IMO.

“In the clip, Kam McLeod, 19, and Bryer Schmegelsky, 18, reportedly outlined their wishes for their remains, said goodbye to their loved ones and detailed a “last will and testament,” said the family member, who did not see the video first-hand.”
B.C. murder suspects recorded ‘last will and testament’ on phone, family member says

 

[NJSleuth91]

I agree, I’d bet AS was the anonymous leaker of the video as well. The description of it as a Last Will and Testament was telling IMO.

“In the clip, Kam McLeod, 19, and Bryer Schmegelsky, 18, reportedly outlined their wishes for their remains, said goodbye to their loved ones and detailed a “last will and testament,” said the family member, who did not see the video first-hand.”
B.C. murder suspects recorded ‘last will and testament’ on phone, family member says

So in that case it's probably a third-hand account of what was actually on the video.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

This thread is not about where AS lived and why he lived there or didn't live there; it is also not about the BC medical system and whether psychiatrists do or don't prescribe meds or RCMP deleting videos.

Please get back on topic.

 

[srper2]

I agree, I’d bet AS was the anonymous leaker of the video as well. The description of it as a Last Will and Testament was telling IMO.

“In the clip, Kam McLeod, 19, and Bryer Schmegelsky, 18, reportedly outlined their wishes for their remains, said goodbye to their loved ones and detailed a “last will and testament,” said the family member, who did not see the video first-hand.”
B.C. murder suspects recorded ‘last will and testament’ on phone, family member says

Would this indicate that the phone video was made before Bryer turned 19 then?

 

[FactFinder3000]

Would this indicate that the phone video was made before Bryer turned 19 then?

No, I'm pretty sure that's just an assumption. The person writing that article likely had no idea Bryer's birthday was right around the time he died.

 

[MistyWaters]

The cologne purchase has always stood out as odd to me too. Not just the purchase itself but also the way AS phrased it. He could have just said 'I got the cologne you wanted' but instead he mentioned the price amount - 'I just paid a hundred for the cologne you asked about'.

Now JMO but cologne almost sounds like a code word to me. The mention of a hundred bucks always felt to me that AS was telling BS how much he owed him for this "cologne".

Bryer asked about an item, ever the hero AS goes and finds the item, texts BS to let him know he got the item for $100 and it's ready for pick-up.

MOO.

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Father holding out hope after two Port Alberni teens vanish in northern B.C.

I appreciate your sharing of this screenshot because I’d forgotten the location of video source of the $100 cologne. It’s an unusual exchange if AS wasn’t aware B was leaving to go job-hunting until “today” as it seemed to raise no questions. And if he knew his son was heading out, why buy $100 cologne knowing he wouldn’t see B before he left, considering he was going “there”.

Just thinking....during AS’s numerous interviews, I don’t ever recall him expressing shock or dismay that the Alberta plans never materialized or that his son intentionally deceived him.

 

[Zella]

I appreciate your sharing of this screenshot because I’d forgotten the location of video source of the $100 cologne. It’s an unusual exchange if AS wasn’t aware B was leaving to go job-hunting until “today” as it seemed to raise no questions. And if he knew his son was heading out, why buy $100 cologne knowing he wouldn’t see B before he left, considering he was going “there”.

During AS’s numerous interviews, I also don’t recall him ever expressing shock or dismay that the Alberta plans never materialized or that his son intentionally deceived him.

If I recall correctly, in one of the earliest interviews, he does express some surprise they were in B.C. I can't remember the exact wording, though. MOO because I can't find the clip right now.

 

[Arizona 123]

Interesting, I had only caught a glimpse of the cell phone screenshot in the 60 Minutes interview. Bryer did not actually have a mobile network, he was just using iMessage. I'm an Android user but from what my Apple friends tell me, that's what you use when you have internet access but no coverage. Based on his "I won't have internet for a while" comment he doesn't have a network and only uses Wi-Fi. I'll also add to the cologne discussion; I think Alan wanted Bryer to know how much he just dropped on a bottle of cologne and how exactly was he supposed to get it to him if he was leaving town perhaps forever. In other words; "Hey, this was expensive stuff kid, get me your address so I can send it to you and also, I love you." A little odd mentioning the price but I imagine Alan is not wont to drop that kind of money on cosmetics ever and wanted him to know. Also, those suspicious of Bryer not being the type to wear cologne? Come on. Look at the photo of him in that suit and tell me you're not going to get a bottle of posh cologne to compliment it. He's handsome dressed up. Both those boys are very handsome.

Father holding out hope after two Port Alberni teens vanish in northern B.C.

Very interesting observations on the messages!

If you've got it right (and if I'm not misinterpreting) then B had no cellular service plan. I don't know much about smartphones, but I'm assuming they (Apple ones, apparently, in this case) can use things like Skype (or similar) in WiFi mode?

So, maybe out of financial need (I've heard cellular plans for smartphones cost a lot) B was using just internet, and a VOIP type setup if he wanted to make a phone call? If so, this might explain a lot. If the phone wasn't able to connect to cell towers, it'd be darn hard to track when in use. IP trace when using WiFi is possible, but a VPN is pretty common these days and would largely foil that.

So, I'm wondering... it's always seemed odd to me that they were in a back "alley" in Cold Lake, driving around (until they got stuck). But, it makes sense if they were war driving (looking for open access points, like unsecured or poorly secured home WiFI).

 

[MistyWaters]

Would this indicate that the phone video was made before Bryer turned 19 then?

No, I don’t think age has any bearing at all.

But written Last Will and Testaments are considered public documents, to give non-beneficiaries the opportunity to contest an estate. So I can see why the attorney might take a wild guess that a verbal Will was included, even if AS doesn’t know what’s contained in Bs portion of the alleged 30 seconds.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I appreciate your sharing of this screenshot because I’d forgotten the location of video source of the $100 cologne. It’s an unusual exchange if AS wasn’t aware B was leaving to go job-hunting until “today” as it seemed to raise no questions. And if he knew his son was heading out, why buy $100 cologne knowing he wouldn’t see B before he left, considering he was going “there”.

I believe Bryer's dad mentioned that they had discussed Bryer possibly going elsewhere to look for work in the recent past (not sure of the source on this, but I'm pretty sure I saw that). I know he also said that Bryer had cousins in Alberta and he assumed they were going there.

But it does sound like the plan to leave was pretty sudden. Kam's parents were likely aware of it at least a day or two beforehand since they gave them the truck and camper and I'm sure it took time to pack everything. Bryer's grandma and great-uncle were aware of it either on or before the 11th (in his great-uncle's interview with CBC, he said that he last saw Bryer in his grandma's car on the 11th and his grandma said Bryer would be leaving the next day).

I actually don't think it's that weird that Bryer didn't tell his dad until the last minute. As I've mentioned, I have a similar awkward situation with my own historically-absent dad, and he's kind of peripheral to my life, not in it. I don't tell him about a lot of stuff going on in my life. It is pretty inconsiderate that he didn't tell his dad until his dad was en route to visit him, but it's possible with all the preparations going on, he may have just forgotten that was the day of the month his dad usually visited, or something.

It is really weird that he told his dad they were going to Alberta though. Even if it was planned as a murder trip, it's weird. Why lie? If they were trying to get away with it, it would make more sense to have a consistent story to avoid suspicion. If it was planned as a suicide mission, why would he care if his dad knew where he was going?

The only explanation I can think of that makes any logical sense, is they had a couple of possible destinations in mind and hadn't decided on one yet.

During AS’s numerous interviews, I also don’t recall him ever expressing shock or dismay that the Alberta plans never materialized or that his son intentionally deceived him.

That doesn't surprise me. In the 60 Minutes interview he was still in denial that Bryer killed anyone and said "I'll believe it when I see the evidence." Denial is a normal part of the grieving process. I'm sure he rationalized a lot of things, just like he rationalized the Nazi stuff even before this all happened.

 

[Optics]

It is really weird that he told his dad they were going to Alberta though. Even if it was planned as a murder trip, it's weird. Why lie? .

Well technically they did actually go to and through Alberta.

 

[MistyWaters]

I believe Bryer's dad mentioned that they had discussed Bryer possibly going elsewhere to look for work in the recent past (not sure of the source on this, but I'm pretty sure I saw that). I know he also said that Bryer had cousins in Alberta and he assumed they were going there.

But it does sound like the plan to leave was pretty sudden. Kam's parents were likely aware of it at least a day or two beforehand since they gave them the truck and camper and I'm sure it took time to pack everything. Bryer's grandma and great-uncle were aware of it either on or before the 11th (in his great-uncle's interview with CBC, he said that he last saw Bryer in his grandma's car on the 11th and his grandma said Bryer would be leaving the next day).

I actually don't think it's that weird that Bryer didn't tell his dad until the last minute. As I've mentioned, I have a similar awkward situation with my own historically-absent dad, and he's kind of peripheral to my life, not in it. I don't tell him about a lot of stuff going on in my life. It is pretty inconsiderate that he didn't tell his dad until his dad was en route to visit him, but it's possible with all the preparations going on, he may have just forgotten that was the day of the month his dad usually visited, or something.

It is really weird that he told his dad they were going to Alberta though. Even if it was planned as a murder trip, it's weird. Why lie? If they were trying to get away with it, it would make more sense to have a consistent story to avoid suspicion. If it was planned as a suicide mission, why would he care if his dad knew where he was going?

The only explanation I can think of that makes any logical sense, is they had a couple of possible destinations in mind and hadn't decided on one yet.



That doesn't surprise me. In the 60 Minutes interview he was still in denial that Bryer killed anyone and said "I'll believe it when I see the evidence." Denial is a normal part of the grieving process. I'm sure he rationalized a lot of things, just like he rationalized the Nazi stuff even before this all happened.

Okay but then there’s this. Either AS knew of their intentions in advance or he didn’t know, but it can’t be both.

“Alan Schmegelsky, Bryer’s father, said the pair, best friends since elementary school, had been working night shifts at Walmart in Port Alberni to save money for the trip.”
RCMP not ruling out link between missing Alberni teens, body found near truck, double slaying

 

[Zella]

It is really weird that he told his dad they were going to Alberta though. Even if it was planned as a murder trip, it's weird. Why lie? If they were trying to get away with it, it would make more sense to have a consistent story to avoid suspicion. If it was planned as a suicide mission, why would he care if his dad knew where he was going?

I've wondered if it was just a joy-ride (not necessarily a planned murder/suicide spree) from the beginning, and they both told stories that they thought sounded good to whoever was listening as an excuse for why they were quitting jobs and leaving town, knowing nobody was going to compare notes.

Bryer's dad probably would be okay with visiting family in Alberta, and Bryer's grandma probably wants to hear about work, so that's the line he feeds them. Who knows what spiel Kam told his parents, but I'm sure it was one they'd approve of, and that's why they were told it.

In any event, I could see the two of them just thinking that working at WM was not great and deciding on a lark, why not just go driving/camping this summer instead?

I go back and forth on whether it was all planned, but I could see even if it was unplanned, things could have still taken a dark turn as they're driving around aimlessly on this joy-ride and see a van on the side of the road in the middle of the night.

MOO

 

[NJSleuth91]

Well technically they did actually go to and through Alberta.

Also another thing, if they hadn't decided on the Yukon vs. Alberta when they left, that would actually make sense with their route. Since they went to Liard Hot Springs, given the amount of time it took to get there, we can assume the route they took was all the way on the other side of the province from Port Alberni. It actually would have been five hours faster to go to Whitehorse via a more western route. The only way their route really makes sense is if they were undecided when they set out, and just decided to figure it out along the way. I'm leaning towards it wasn't a planned deception (since it really would not have accomplished anything), and was just that they weren't sure where to go. And maybe they made it sound to their parents/guardians that their destination was more concrete, so they wouldn't be like "you guys don't even know where you're going?"

 

[MistyWaters]

Well technically they did actually go to and through Alberta.

Yes you’re right, they did! From west to east, almost a flyby had they not got stuck.

 

[Zella]

And maybe they made it sound to their parents/guardians that their destination was more concrete, so they wouldn't be like "you guys don't even know where you're going?"

I think that makes a lot of sense.