Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #17

[MistyWaters]

So this confirms there is a video! Letter in photo.Father of BC murder suspect fighting to see video of 'last will and testament'

Official RCMP correspondence on Gmail by Google? LOL!

 

[srper2]

It’s exceptionally cruel for Bryers mother to not inform the father of anything regarding his burial. The police should be doing more to ensure he gets to see the 30 second video too. Not telling him no and then saying but keep this our little secret.

So sad for BS's mother to not include his father in the funeral (for me, this confirms some of the allegations made in AS's "book"). Not knowing what was in the 30 secs of video left by Bryer for his family must be awful. Unfortunately, we don't know if this was because he would have arrived with a film crew from 60 minutes in tow but they could have planned to manage this if it happened and still allow AS to attend his own son's funeral.
Who named his mother "next of kin" anyway, he had no license and had most recently been living with his grandmother after having major issues with his mother at time of death. (note: Edited to remove "Cruel and Nasty" as my opinion of Bryer's mother excluding his father from the funeral, MOO!

 

[LoisLane]

Official RCMP correspondence on Gmail by Google? LOL!

That’s the lawyers’ email.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Cruel and nasty for BS's mother to not include his father in the funeral (this confirms some of the allegations made in AS's "book"). Unfortunately, we don't know if this was because he would have arrived with a film crew from 60 minutes in tow they could have planned to manage this if it happened and still allow AS to attend his own son's funeral.
Who named his mother "next of kin" anyway, he had no license and had most recently been living with his grandmother at time of death.

Keep in mind Bryer's dad has a history of arrests for criminal harassment against Bryer's mom, and she had restraining orders taken out against him (not sure if they are still active). It's possible she didn't invite him due to safety concerns, especially since he's been going all over the media saying she's a drug addict and child abuser. It's also possible that she just hates his guts. We really don't have enough evidence to say what the situation is. The only thing we can say is that Bryer was in the middle of this for years and it's no surprise he had disturbed and stunted emotional development. This is the example of normal social interaction he was seeing every day for years.

 

[KR72]

AS falls under this category. JMO

I had the total opposite impression, lol. He's not a victim of a crime, nor was his son, and that's what victims services are for, imo. I think that in their eyes, he's family of a suspect, not a victim.

Here's the actual victim's services website. It indicates that services are for crime victims and their surviving family. Hopefully, LD's family is taking advantage of whatever services are available to them.

Victim Services in BC | Police Victim Services of British Columbia

 

[katydid23]

The RCMP has been working closely with the mother, and ex-wife. I think they have some pretty horrid stories about the father's violent threats towards them, etc, and so that may be why he is being excluded.

We had a crazy psycho divorce a family member years ago, and he sent death threats and created drama for years. I dont think any of us would have included him in any family events, including funerals, if we could avoid doing so.

 

[Gina20]

Keep in mind Bryer's dad has a history of arrests for criminal harassment against Bryer's mom, and she had restraining orders taken out against him (not sure if they are still active). It's possible she didn't invite him due to safety concerns, especially since he's been going all over the media saying she's a drug addict and child abuser. It's also possible that she just hates his guts. We really don't have enough evidence to say what the situation is. The only thing we can say is that Bryer was in the middle of this for years and it's no surprise he had disturbed and stunted emotional development. This is the example of normal social interaction he was seeing every day for years.

Bearing in mind that he didn't speak out until after no one told him that his son was missing.

Dysfunction in the extreme, IMO.

 

[Arizona 123]

This treatment of AS is a mess IMHO.
I don't approve of some of the things AS has done (media interviews) but to exclude him from seeing the video, exclude him from the funeral, and exclude him from even knowing were his son is buried... majorly messed up IMHO.

I also think that RCMP has a heck of a lot of gall to, after all that, to ask that this matter be kept secret. I totally applaud releasing the letter.

I wonder if the McLeod family all got to see the vid, or just the legal next of kin? If the former, I suspect AS might have very good reason to have a lawyer.

I in no way believe what I'm about to say excuses or diminishes the murders B committed and/or aided, but I'm starting to get a pretty good hunch as to part of the reason he was messed up in the head; brutal family warfare. I wonder if this is what AS meant when he was referring to B's "pain" in an interview a while back?

Edit to add: I'm not trying to pin this on the mother; others have pointed out the past history of criminal harassment, and that's a fair point. However, when B was missing, assuming it's true AS only found out via a newspaper, that's horrible. Surely someone, such as the RCMP, should have contacted him. Not only to let him know before seeing it in the papers, but also because he might actually know something useful, so why offend him for no reason? Likewise, even if there are sound reasons to not invite him to the funeral, surely he should be told where his son is buried (or ashes scattered)?

 

[missy1974]

Official RCMP correspondence on Gmail by Google? LOL!

That's the lawyers email.

I am not sure what to think of this... But I am not sure that the RCMP should be deciding who next of kin is either. He didn't live with either one of them. I would like to know who decides who the next of kin is? And if I was his lawyer, I would be looking into legal options.

Would love to see their last custody order, they are usually quite specific.

 

[MistyWaters]

That’s the lawyers’ email.

Okay so the lawyer supposedly uses gmail by google at her law office? LOL!

You can see her office mail here and it’s not gmail.
Contact — SARAH LEAMON LAW GROUP

I still don’t believe that’s an official RCMP email by the style of writing. “Heads up?” Always on the bottom of email correspondence is about a 10 line blurb regarding confidentiality including the message is intended for the recipient only.

 

[Zella]

Glad we're back!

And I saw that article while WS was done, and it made me so profoundly sad. I have no idea what went down with Bryer's parents during his childhood or who's to blame and feel uncomfortable speculating, but even if there are legal technicalities on who gets to see the video, it seems cruel to not at least tell him where his kid's buried.

Hate to say it, but as soon as I read that article, my first thought was "No wonder Bryer spent so much time camping out at Kam's house" I would venture to say that the deep animosity between his parents was a recurring topic of conversation at all hours since when you're that mad at someone you can't not talk about it. That's oppressive to be trapped in that sort of environment, and I suspect he heard it at both parents' homes. I'd want out of there, too, to escape it as much as possible.

MOO

They are still tearing each other apart even in the darkest of times. AS did so with the book and blaming and so I’m guessing it’s mom’s turn now. It’s sick and sad and cruel.

They fought over him like cats and dogs while he was alive and continue to do so after he's dead.

 

[KR72]

Who knows? Maybe the RCMP thought AS would run off to the Australian media with what the 30 second clip revealed and they want a chance to prep the families of the victims first?

If BS's mother brought her mother or her partner to see the video, I don't see the big deal. I think she'd be allowed to bring a support person along, so I don't see that helping AS's case to see the video in anyway. Now, if the two of them were getting along and she asked for AS to also be in attendance to view the video, I could see the RCMP allowing that also, imo.

That's the lawyers email.

I am not sure what to think of this... But I am not sure that the RCMP should be deciding who next of kin is either. He didn't live with either one of them. I would like to know who decides who the next of kin is? And if I was his lawyer, I would be looking into legal options.

Would love to see their last custody order, they are usually quite specific.

Yeah, it'd probably be spelled out in the custody order and/or from BS's school/work records.

 

[LoisLane]

I had the total opposite impression, lol. He's not a victim of a crime, nor was his son, and that's what victims services are for, imo. I think that in their eyes, he's family of a suspect, not a victim.

Here's the actual victim's services website. It indicates that services are for crime victims and their surviving family. Hopefully, LD's family is taking advantage of whatever services are available to them.

Victim Services in BC | Police Victim Services of British Columbia

Victim Services can be with a person before an event is determined criminal. They have a fast response rate to show up or contact a person in need.

For example, I called for my niece when her boyfriend died in a house fire. Not criminal.

 

[katydid23]

Keep in mind Bryer's dad has a history of arrests for criminal harassment against Bryer's mom, and she had restraining orders taken out against him (not sure if they are still active). It's possible she didn't invite him due to safety concerns, especially since he's been going all over the media saying she's a drug addict and child abuser. It's also possible that she just hates his guts. We really don't have enough evidence to say what the situation is. The only thing we can say is that Bryer was in the middle of this for years and it's no surprise he had disturbed and stunted emotional development. This is the example of normal social interaction he was seeing every day for years.

And it takes a lot to actually serve time for harassment. He had to have been extreme in his harassment technique, to be arrested, charged and sent to jail.

We lived through a similar psycho -stalker- divorce - situation and it was nasty and very scary. I am not going to blame this woman until I hear her side of things. All we have heard is his complaints about being 'left out.' But maybe there is good reason for him to be excluded from family events.

I think he may have some extreme anger issues that worried some of his son's relatives.

 

[Gina20]

Cruel and nasty for BS's mother to not include his father in the funeral (this confirms some of the allegations made in AS's "book"). Unfortunately, we don't know if this was because he would have arrived with a film crew from 60 minutes in tow they could have planned to manage this if it happened and still allow AS to attend his own son's funeral.
Who named his mother "next of kin" anyway, he had no license and had most recently been living with his grandmother at time of death.

I think there are ways to handle this. Even criminals in jail for murder get temporary release to attend family funerals sometimes.

A separate, supervised visit to the funeral home at a different time and date could have been arranged.

Since when is the bio-dad with visitation rights not one of the next of kin? Parents divorce; parents do not divorce their minor children. Next of kin do have a right legally to see the last will and testament of their deceased family member.

 

[LoisLane]

Okay so the lawyer supposedly uses gmail by google at her law office? LOL!

I still don’t believe that’s an official RCMP email by the style of writing. “Heads up?” Always on the bottom of email correspondence is about a 10 line blurb regarding confidentiality including the message is intended for the recipient only.

No. The lawyer received an official email from RCMP. The “google letterhead” was either printed from her and given to AS or AS used gmail and printed it. Gmail is used by smaller organizations and does not have to contain @gmail.com. So she very well could use the platform for email.

ETA. Hopefully the news publisher verified it. Lawyer might be upset that AS leaked it.

 

[missy1974]

Okay so the lawyer supposedly uses gmail by google at her law office? LOL!

You can see her office mail here and it’s not gmail.
Contact — SARAH LEAMON LAW GROUP

I still don’t believe that’s an official RCMP email by the style of writing. “Heads up?” Always on the bottom of email correspondence is about a 10 line blurb regarding confidentiality including the message is intended for the recipient only.

Guessing from the email, she forwarded it to a gmail account, her own email is also blocked out.

The address and the @rcmp-grc.gc.ca is legit, which would be easy enough to fake, but why would any lawyer do that? I don't see that happening. jmo

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Sorry for the crazy long post. I saw this comparison brought up in another discussion group about this crime (so credit goes to that poster lol) - about the dynamic and bond between B&K. Could be similar relationship style where both were compelled to act on their impulses after a long build up and nurturing each other with violent ideas.

Interesting stuff as there is some overlap of interests between both male, teenage duos:
- one more confident(smarter?), not bad looking, the other more awkward/not as confident
- both duos into gaming and online activities
- both duos bonding over their interests in violence
- both duos putting on an outward sense of "normalcy" for the most part with no major red flags (until hindsight of course)

Some snippets from a couple articles about this deadly duo which B&K might've shared the same type things (BBM):

"During the hearing, Wellwood told the board he met his co-accused, Moffat, when he was about 11. He described him as an older kid who seemed “cool and experienced”, and added they bonded over video games, particularly online fantasy games."

"Wellwood said Moffat also introduced him to different pornographic internet sites, including sites involving violence. Wellwood told the board he was drawn to the "riskiness."

"Wellwood said he and Moffat would discuss violent fantasies when they were as young as 11 and 12, and would sometimes commit offences such as vandalism and arson and get into fights."

"MacKenzie asked Wellwood if there was something that ultimately pushed him to act out one of his violent thoughts. “It came out of a throwaway fantasy,” Wellwood eventually said, also referring to his rape fantasy as a “passing thought”.

“The novelty was what made it interesting,” he said.

"Wellwood said he remembered calling Moffat sometime before the killing to discuss his fantasy, and that’s when he said they began “playing ideas off each other”.

“That’s when it became a lot more real,” he said. “It was planned but I don’t think either of us considered the reality of it.”

"When asked why he degraded Proctor’s body, he responded he and Moffat "had to go all the way."

“We were going to check boxes,” he said. “We were going to make it worth our while. It was a part of the offence that added to the extremeness, the taboo.”

“I know for myself it had to do with getting the gratification I was looking for,” Wellwood said, and added at the time he felt there was power in taking a life.

“I think I ultimately felt powerless,” Wellwood said. “I wanted to be powerful.”

"While Kruse was wiry and intelligent, Cam was a hulking slow learner who suffered from A.D.H.D."

"Kruse was the one kid who seemed to understand him. “[He] might as well be my brother,” Cam later said. They skipped school, smoked pot, playedWorld of Warcraft, and surfed sites, but, despite frequent acting out, were never perceived as a serious threat."

"Offline, Kruse’s and Cam’s lives were growing increasingly dark. They were often high. They experimented with drinking blood and bodily fluids."

"They visited sadistic sites, and in their frequent chats with each other online, they began fantasizing about rape and bondage."

"Through forensic analysis of the boys’ computers and cell phones, they dug up their Google and Wikipedia searches, as well as old transcripts of texts and instant messages. In total, the Tech Crimes Unit amassed the equivalent of 1.4 billion sheets of paper on the two."

Two different types of violence - one more sexual, the other not but still horrific.

There seemed to be a leader BUT I think it's because Kruse was more intelligent and more of the psychopath who was better at manipulating his prey and buddy, JMO.

Not trying to go off topic, I just thought maybe B&S had similarities with their friendship perhaps.

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[Zella]

I have some, um, interesting relatives, and in my experience, funeral homes can work wonders with family estrangements. If Bryer's mom's family didn't want to be around him at the funeral, which I understand given the history between them, I still think something could have been arranged for the dad's side at a separate time.

 

[KR72]

I have some, um, interesting relatives, and in my experience, funeral homes can work wonders with family estrangements. If Bryer's mom's family didn't want to be around him at the funeral, which I understand given the history between them, I still think something could have been arranged for the dad's side at a separate time.

Oh yeah, they have to deal with a lot. I know someone in the business. He's got stories.