Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #17

[Zella]

They were reported to have both died from being shot, so must have shot themselves one way or another, or someone shot them and left them there in the scrub with two guns!

I like Occam's Razor. The more straightforward and likely answer is each one shot himself.

Besides, I think, regardless of whatever issues these two had, they did genuinely have a strong bond with each other. A toxic friendship but a strong one, nonetheless. For that reason, I think killing each other might have made them genuinely uncomfortable in a way that killing other people or themselves didn't.

MOO

 

[MistyWaters]

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5259069?__twitter_impression=true

Father of suspected northern B.C. killer seeks access to video of 'last will and testament

In this CBC report they refer to “a letter” from the RCMP.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I like Occam's Razor. The more straightforward and likely answer is each one shot himself.

Besides, I think, regardless of whatever issues these two had, they did genuinely have a strong bond with each other. A toxic friendship but a strong one, nonetheless. For that reason, I think killing each other might have made them genuinely uncomfortable in a way that killing other people or themselves didn't.

MOO

That's a good point. I was thinking they might have seen it as a "blood brothers" kind of thing. Although I guess committing suicide together also falls into that category. But yeah, when it came down to it, I'm not sure they would be able to pull the trigger on their best friend, even if they knew it was going to end one way or another.

 

[srper2]

I like Occam's Razor. The more straightforward and likely answer is each one shot himself.

Besides, I think, regardless of whatever issues these two had, they did genuinely have a strong bond with each other. A toxic friendship but a strong one, nonetheless. For that reason, I think killing each other might have made them genuinely uncomfortable in a way that killing other people or themselves didn't.

MOO

This is the first time I have heard of anyone here Occams Razoring anything here, everything has been dragged out for a painful time with huge amounts of speculation and totally irrelevant and imaginative statements argued over for days, so I think considering how they would have shot themselves successfully with a long-barrelled hunting rifle should also be open for thought! We were quick to call them murderers with no evidence ever provided, now they are dead, should we not query how they managed this? I said they "could have" shot each other. They also could have shot themselves, but far more range for error and being left in a terribly injured manner with mo help to end it. Seeing your friend shoot himself and then pulling your own trigger is just as awful.

 

[Zella]

This is the first time I have heard of anyone here Occams Razoring anything here, everything has been dragged out for a painful time and huge amounts of speculation and totally irrelevant and imaginative statements argued over for days, so I think considering how they would have shot themselves successfully with a long-barrelled hunting rifle should also be open for thought! We were quick to call them murderers with no evidence, now they are dead, should we not query how?

You're more than welcome to do whatever you want with it!

I just don't think it is very likely they did anything beyond shooting themselves, and I don't really have any more desire to rehash it. But if others want to do so with you, they are more than welcome to!

If the RCMP ever releases that they engaged in some sort of bizarre, convoluted suicide-by-murder pact with each other, I will gladly come back here and publicly eat crow over it.

 

[NJSleuth91]

This is the first time I have heard of anyone here Occams Razoring anything here, everything has been dragged out for a painful time with huge amounts of speculation and totally irrelevant and imaginative statements argued over for days, so I think considering how they would have shot themselves successfully with a long-barrelled hunting rifle should also be open for thought! We were quick to call them murderers with no evidence, now they are dead, should we not query how they managed this?

You're allowed to state your opinion. Other people are allowed to disagree.

 

[srper2]

You're allowed to state your opinion. Other people are allowed to disagree.

I feel like I have a tag team pecking on my back, so better go back to reading all about people's opinions on Bryer's cologne, far more relevant to the case at hand!

 

[srper2]

You're more than welcome to do whatever you want with it!

I just don't think it is very likely they did anything beyond shooting themselves, and I don't really have any more desire to rehash it. But if others want to do so with you, they are more than welcome to!

If the RCMP ever releases that they engaged in some sort of bizarre, convoluted suicide-by-murder pact with each other, I will gladly come back here and publicly eat crow over it.

I feel like I have a tag team pecking on my back, so better go back to reading all about people's opinions on Bryer's cologne, far more relevant to the case at hand!

 

[srper2]

You're more than welcome to do whatever you want with it!

I just don't think it is very likely they did anything beyond shooting themselves, and I don't really have any more desire to rehash it. But if others want to do so with you, they are more than welcome to!

If the RCMP ever releases that they engaged in some sort of bizarre, convoluted suicide-by-murder pact with each other, I will gladly come back here and publicly eat crow over it.

Funny how you would call this a funny convoluted suicide by murder! Very dramatic indeed!

 

[srper2]

Law enforcement in Canada is different from in the States. They don't hang all the information out before processing it. We don't have live court trials either. They are pretty strict on RCMP....its a body of the government of Canada and not individual counties etc. There is a huge amount of training one has to go through to become a police officer. They are more conservative here in Canada that way.

They do seem to take the wishes and feelings of the families involved as being important and are not willing to rush into anything, which seems to not happen as often in some other places

 

[katydid23]

I don't think the public would be giving much credence to AS's "book", but this is the funeral of his only son, not a time to be excluding or playing mind games. They could have easily held memorials at two different venues and allowed him to attend a funeral for his son (and know if he was buried or cremated etc) without having to have ever seen the ex-wife. To not even tell him she was burying/cremating his son gives a clear understanding of the acrimonious situation between Bryer's parents.

Do we think they even had a funeral. AS says he was not invited to the funeral, and doesn't know where the grave is. But is there a grave? Was there any kind of funeral?

I am not sure Mom and Grandma would have organised a formal, funeral , expecting others to publicly attend. I would think it would be more like a cremation, and perhaps a very very small number of close family members would pay their respects.

I don't think there was really anything to invite AS too. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Frankly, I feel it's a shame the parents can't just put their issues with each other and their indifferences aside for ONE day to put to rest a child they had together.

I can empathize if BS's mom is scared of harassment, but maybe have an RCMP escort? They don't have to talk or even look at each other or even be there at the same time - take turns/shifts at the affair to say their goodbyes or whatever.

It's both their blood in BS and I feel they both have a right, JMO.

But do we know if there even was any kind of memorial or funeral? I am kind of doubting that.

 

[SteveP]

100% agree with you. I think they were probably cremated, possibly even in Winnipeg after the autopsy. It costs a ton to ship bodies too and what's the point if they're not umm..."viable" for a traditional funeral.

I have no idea if either of the families have any such qualms, and agree it is probable that both bodies were cremated, but many people still oppose cremation, often based on religious beliefs. Regardless whether cremated or buried, there may have been, or will be a private memorial service. JMO

 

[acutename]

Lol and after telling him we will do nothing for you they have the gall to ask him to please keep the information private about there even being a video.

Am I the only one who finds it odd that they address Ms L by her first name? Seems a little informal to me. Seems that the RMCP would only release info to the legal guardian- (at 18 does BS still have a legal guardian? He was an adult at some point?). Thought that AS was never custodial and that the mother/grandmother had custody and legal responsibility. Whatever was done needed to be paid for as well. Also, could be legal requests/claims from victims' families. Seems, IMO, that AS is being the bull in the china shop.

 

[Vern]

In this CBC report they refer to “a letter” from the RCMP.

Right; the article also confirms that mother was the Next of Kin (NoK). Therefore, she gets to decide which "family" receive notification of death, have access to the will ("see" the will in this case). He got a letter because she decided he would not see it, just as her decision caused him to find out about his son's missing status via a newspaper headline etc. I have my own opinion on that bunk and it's not favourable.

If she says no, there is nothing the RCMP can do about it; his lawyer will have to take her to court.

 

[Vern]

Am I the only one who finds it odd that they address Ms L by her first name? Seems a little informal to me. Seems that the RMCP would only release info to the legal guardian- (at 18 does BS still have a legal guardian? He was an adult at some point?). Thought that AS was never custodial and that the mother/grandmother had custody and legal responsibility. Whatever was done needed to be paid for as well. Also, could be legal requests/claims from victims' families. Seems, IMO, that AS is being the bull in the china shop.

19 and under in BC, so he was still a minor. As his Nok (Next of Kin) she decides who can see what/who is notified of what etc.

As for releasing names publicly or identifying info etc, here in Canada our Privacy Act reigns supreme over what the public gets to hear, learn and know.

The Privacy Act - Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

 

[1987]

a mother and father should have equal rights after the death of their child.

 

[sandbar]

"I mean if he was going militia, they wouldn't be wearing cologne in the bush? And for who? I guess for himself? Strange, just strange. "

SBM

Some colognes work as bug repellant, but I bet the cologne was a grad present.

 

[Kubirai]

8chan?

Chats in a few different games, perhaps. Some of these young killers were not on 4chan/8chan.

Bellingcat did an excellent investigation of how Azov Battalion members propagated the vile manifesto of the NZ mass murderer.

RCMP and FBI could obtain valuable info by following the private game chats of BS and other recent killers.

 

[Kubirai]

Yeah, the RCMP aren't responsible for dealing with disputes within famlies. They notified the next of kin and what the family does from there and who they decide to tell or not tell is their own business.

Local LE has the mandate to intervene in domestic affairs, if there is a risk of suicide or violence.

My opinion is that a "mental health" officer could engage with AS, based on past history and his present mental state.