Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #17

[FactFinder3000]

Or easier to ensure it happens, could easily have barrels pointed at heads/chest and both triggers held close together with both of their hands/fingers on each trigger between them both slowly pulling the triggers on each gun together at same time.

Shooting each other in the head is just a totally unworkable plan. It's not going to work. The instant you are shot in the head you are dead. One would get shot first and would then be dead and unable to complete the pact.

On the other hand...

Murder-suicide is a thing. It happens all the time.

Suicide via gun is a thing. It happens all the time.

So it would be one of those two.

 

[Kubirai]

Official RCMP correspondence on Gmail by Google? LOL!

Canadian LE does communicate by fax and email, but there are probably rules about what kind of info is allowed in each type.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Murder-suicide is a thing. It happens all the time.

Suicide via gun is a thing. It happens all the time.

SBM

They said it was two suicides, so I think that rules out the possibility of murder-suicide. Two suicides says to me they each shot themselves.

 

[SnooperDuper]

There's a chance that BS asked for a memorial that somehow glorifies what he has done or to be buried in specific clothing that can't be done now because of the state of the bodies, and mother DS just went ahead with a humble funeral and memorial and did what was possible within the bounds of decency.

AS may not have the common sense to see that glorifying his son and his death is not a good idea. Note his previous behaviour to date. He may use all of his energy demanding that BS gets the funeral and memorial BS requested, even if the public sees at as obscene and later shooters see it as a shrine to make pilgrimage to.

That would be my concern as mother: AS stepping in and demanding that BS's wishes be applied to the letter, even if those wishes are HIGHLY inappropriate given the situation.

I support DS's judgement in this, because AS has none.

 

[Moriarty]

There's a chance that BS asked for a memorial that somehow glorifies what he has done

I was thinking this too...what sort of funeral requests do 18-year-olds make? Especially one prone to some pretty terrible decisions.

It could have been very inappropriate, along the lines of ‘spread my ashes at the scene of Prof. Dyck’s murder.’

 

[FactFinder3000]

I don't think any of that even matters. After a 10 year history of criminal harassment there wasn't a snowflake's chance in hell that she would contact him or want anything whatsoever to do with him.

 

[FactFinder3000]

SBM

They said it was two suicides, so I think that rules out the possibility of murder-suicide. Two suicides says to me they each shot themselves.

The RCMP said, after the autopsies, "The RCMP can also confirm that the two died in what appears to be suicides by gunfire."

So yeah, that is what this appears to be. However, I don't think they can rule out the possibility that one helped the other. Hence the word "appears."

source: Lower Mainland District RCMP - Update – RCMP confirm cause of death and provide update on the Northern BC triple homicide investigations

 

[1987]

what BS mother likes or does not like should not negate AS right to know as a father. if rcmp could not have the info leaked then put a stern warning with the info and if he leaks it then follow threw with action. if all four parents can not know then none of them should know.

 

[CinNC]

I mean it's possible, but I still think those bodies would have been falling apart. They'd been dead for several days in the bush, out in the elements. Not to be gross, but decomp would have set in and it wouldn't be surprising if animals and bugs hadn't started to make meals out of them. Never mind the bears, there are tons and tons of scavenger birds up in Northern Manitoba...crows, ravens, turkey vultures...one thing I can say with near certainty, those bodies wouldn't have been in any shape for a traditional funeral.

Sorry if that's gross.

I agree with your synopsis. I can't imagine the psychological and emotional impact on the searchers that found and had to move their bodies.

And not to be grosser, but I would guess (MOO) that the smell of decomposition helped the searchers locate the bodies once searchers had arrived on the shoreline of the river. I used to manage a large horse farm with partially wooded pastures and the odor of an unseen, deceased horse or steer can be detected at least half-mile away if you're downwind of it. (Been there done that).

 

[FactFinder3000]

I would like to know just how the RCMP determined that the mother is next of kin but the father isn't. That makes absolutely no sense to me. The next of kin is the closest living relative and they both qualify equally, do they not?

Seem like just an excuse, unless, of course, Bryer specifically named his mother as executor.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I would like to know just how the RCMP determined that the mother is next of kin but the father isn't. That makes absolutely no sense to me. The next of kin is the closest living relative and they both qualify equally, do they not?

Seem like just an excuse, unless, of course, Bryer specifically named his mother as executor.

The mother is the custodial parent.

The "last will and testament" could have been addressed to the mother, making her trustee.

It's possible that AS has no legal standing.

 

[1987]

does custodial parent standing not end at death of the child? if AS is on birth certificate then he should have legal rights to the same info. I don't think a will is just instant I think it has a process to under go.

 

[Blue Amethyst]

I think they would have shot each other, facing each other, counting then both pull triggers? Easy to ensure barrel in position and both die at same time??

I think this is how it happened too. We had a neighbour boy who shot himself in the head but was found after and lived for days in the hospital before passing away. It would be pretty brutal to lay out in the brush with a head wound if you kept drifting in and out of consciousness. The bugs alone would be terrible.

It is so sad that they brought this upon themselves and destroyed three other families while doing it. They may have destroyed their own families too.

 

[1987]

I think this is how it happened too. We had a neighbour boy who shot himself in the head but was found after and lived for days in the hospital before passing away. It would be pretty brutal to lay out in the brush with a head wound if you kept drifting in and out of consciousness. The bugs alone would be terrible.

It is so sad that they brought this upon themselves and destroyed three other families while doing it. They may have destroyed their own families too.

if two people sat side by side and put a stick threw trigger area on both firearms then both push the stick it might fire both at the same time.

 

[FactFinder3000]

The mother is the custodial parent.

The "last will and testament" could have been addressed to the mother, making her trustee.

It's possible that AS has no legal standing.

Yes, of course it's possible, as I stated. But I would like to see an actual source for this rather than folks just making claims. Where is the rule that says only the custodial parent is next of kin?

Also, Bryer had a recent birthday. Was that before or after the death, and would it matter? She is no longer the custodial parent.

 

[SnooperDuper]

does custodial parent standing not end at death of the child? if AS is on birth certificate then he should have legal rights to the same info. I don't think a will is just instant I think it has a process to under go.

What about adopted children then? If the biological parent is the next of kin and not the adoptive parent, adoptive parents would have no rights upon the death of their child, even if the biological parents gave that child up immediately at birth. The biological parent would be the heir and trustee of the will. I think the law is designed to prevent situations like this.

I am pretty sure that the RCMP followed the letter of the law and AS has no standing.

 

[FactFinder3000]

According to someone on this board, Bryer's birthday was August 4. I assume they got that from social media.

August 9 was the day they were found dead.

So Bryer's mom is no longer the custodial parent, as that changed on August 9 when he turned 19.

However, she was the custodial parent on the day he died. (edit: actually it's unclear, given he died right around the day of his birthday_

I would still like to see the rule that the custodial parent gets everything and the non-custodial parent gets nothing.

edit: corrected birthday to August 4.

 

[Bluedaisy100]

You're allowed to state your opinion. Other people are allowed to disagree.

It's an important principle to be able to freely discuss the known facts. Differences of opinion are to be welcomed, complete agreement is overrated and boring. Keep an open mind. It's been a wild and woolly ride so far. This is a great group that come from lots of backgrounds and perspectives.

 

[1987]

What about adopted children then? If the biological parent is the next of kin and not the adoptive parent, adoptive parents would have no rights upon the death of their child, even if the biological parents gave that child up immediately at birth. The biological parent would be the heir and trustee of the will. I think the law is designed to prevent situations like this.

I am pretty sure that the RCMP followed the letter of the law and AS has no standing.

a adopted parents name would be on the birth certificate. adoption is not anywhere near the same as child custody.

 

[1987]

does a last will have to be probated in Canada?