Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #17

[Bluedaisy100]

This is a genuine question. Can DS be the custodial parent if her son lives with his grandmother? Wouldn't the grandmother have custody?

 

[Zella]

I was thinking this too...what sort of funeral requests do 18-year-olds make? Especially one prone to some pretty terrible decisions.

It could have been very inappropriate, along the lines of ‘spread my ashes at the scene of Prof. Dyck’s murder.’

A really depressed 18 year old can have some pretty elaborate visions for a funeral, in my opinion. And yeah it's not outside the realm of possibility they asked for something really tasteless. I wonder if RCMP would have shared it with the families, though, if that were the case.

I still suspect their wishes involved being buried or scattered together, which I don't think any of the parents would allow.

MOO

 

[FactFinder3000]

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I am pretty sure that the RCMP followed the letter of the law and AS has no standing.

What letter of what law? They have a video and they can show it to whomever they want, when they want. The is nothing compelling them or preventing them from showing it to any given person. moo.

 

[MistyWaters]

does custodial parent standing not end at death of the child? if AS is on birth certificate then he should have legal rights to the same info. I don't think a will is just instant I think it has a process to under go.

AS may be using to his advantage this open window prior to the police report being released. When that becomes public, depending on the family dynamics which may have impacted B’s inclination toward murderous violence upon innocent strangers, AS may not be viewed in such a sympathetic light IMO.

I’m reserving my opinion, without knowing the facts. But I can certainly understand Bs other family being reluctant to share confidential details because AS can’t seem to stay away from the media. This is also why I’m curious about how it came to be AS knows a video exists. That he seems to thrive in taking the opportunity of his son’s alleged murder spree to draw sympathetic attention only onto himself is very abnormal IMO because in doing so, he is portraying Bs other family member as villains. It makes me wonder if his motivation is a type of preemptive strike.

 

[Zella]

According to someone on this board, Bryer's birthday was August 9. I assume they got that from social media.

August 9 was the day they were found dead.

So Bryer's mom is no longer the custodial parent, as that changed on August 9 when he turned 19.

However, she was the custodial parent on the day he died.

I would still like to see the rule that the custodial parent gets everything and the non-custodial parent gets nothing.

His birthday was the 4th and they were found on the 7th. Since they don't know the exact date of death, I think they're still assuming he was 18 when he died. MOO

 

[sandbar]

I would still like to see the rule that the custodial parent gets everything and the non-custodial parent gets nothing.

I'm not a lawyer, but...I don't think Canadian law is worded that way.

The custodial parent/next of kin is the person to be notified in case of death or injury. AS didn't have custody, so he wasn't notified.

As custodial parent DS can inform or not inform anyone about BS's death/funeral/burial.

And, there is nothing preventing AS from having a memorial service of his own.

 

[FactFinder3000]

This is a genuine question. Can DS be the custodial parent if her son lives with his grandmother? Wouldn't the grandmother have custody?

Yes. Who he lives with does not automatically change who has custody. According to AS, Bryer came to live with him in Victoria when he was 16 for a while. He then moved in with his Grandmother. I believe AS would have mentioned it if he had custody.

 

[Gina20]

what BS mother likes or does not like should not negate AS right to know as a father. if rcmp could not have the info leaked then put a stern warning with the info and if he leaks it then follow threw with action. if all four parents can not know then none of them should know.

A funeral home/crematorium would have been involved at some point, because RCMP don't just hand bodies and human remains to families. Proper disposal is required by law.

This is the point at which arrangements could be made to accommodate both sides of the family. Sometimes remains are separated after cremation, so that various family members can make their own arrangements. Services can be held separately for different family members, if desired. There is no extra charge for walking into the funeral home privately. There is no extra cost for separating the ashes into separate containers. As DS is considered the only next of kin by RCMP, the decisions regarding funeral or memorial arrangements are hers alone. The RCMP has no involvement in that, unless some sort of security issue came up and a police presence was required. If security was an issue, the family may have sought advice from the RCMP. Is this what happened? We don't know.

However, why is the RCMP is now in charge of deciding who is next of kin? I would like to hear the explanation for that. They have a duty to let the father of a minor child know about his son going missing. The social worker who supervised AS's visits would have known how to get hold of him. The grandmother likely would have known how to get hold of him. Even the manager of the motel where he stayed might have known his phone number. As far as we know, no one made any effort to get hold of him. This is borne out by the situation now of not respecting his parental rights by not letting him see the video that they admit exists. Is he a person of interest or suspect? If not, there is no reason for the RCMP to deny him the basic rights which have been granted to all of the other parents of these two. This is a mistake that could be remedied by letting him see the video. He hasn't been charged in relation to anything his son did, or anything he did while his son was missing, as far as we know. Or has he? Nothing makes sense, IMO. JMO. MOO.

 

[1987]

AS may be using to his advantage this open window prior to the police report being released. When that becomes public, depending on the family dynamics which may have impacted B’s inclination toward murderous violence upon innocent strangers, AS may not be viewed in such a sympathetic light IMO.

I’m reserving my opinion, without knowing the facts. But I can certainly understand Bs other family being reluctant to share confidential details because AS can’t seem to stay away from the media. This is also why I’m curious about how it came to be AS knows a video exists. That he seems to thrive in taking the opportunity of his son’s alleged murder spree to draw sympathetic attention only onto himself is very abnormal IMO because in doing so, he is portraying Bs other family member as villains. It makes me wonder if his motivation is a type of preemptive strike.

I am not sympathetic toward AS. I simply think what is good for one parent to know about the death of their child is good for all four parents to know. there is a fine line between private and secret and this has crossed into secret IMO.

 

[FactFinder3000]

I'm not a lawyer, but...I don't think Canadian law is worded that way.

The custodial parent/next of kin is the person to be notified in case of death or injury. AS didn't have custody, so he wasn't notified.

As custodial parent DS can inform or not inform anyone about BS's death/funeral/burial.

And, there is nothing preventing AS from having a memorial service of his own.

At the time of notification she did not have custody, as he had already turned 19.

 

[1987]

was kam family notified and shown video? if so then custodial parent doesn't seem to be the issue as he was and had already been 19.

 

[copkid]

No real relevance at this point but during the WS downtime I was reviewing some of the MSM articles I had not had time to read and I noticed this one:

Missing B.C. teens now suspects in deaths of tourist couple and unidentified man: police

Most reports had Bryer labeled as a "troubled/violent individual.

This NP article quotes a fellow student saying that many who knew him are in "disbelief".

“From what I understand all of Bryer’s friends … are saying they could never see him doing that,” he told the Post.

It does seem JI possibly attended school with Bryer.

Hesquiaht valedictorian looks forward after ADSS

I simply cannot imagine the many questions, conversations and speculations that have been happening all over Port Alberni in relation to this.

KM & BS families may have to leave Port Alberni to ever find some peace from the stigma of this.
JMO

 

[FactFinder3000]

His birthday was the 4th and they were found on the 7th. Since they don't know the exact date of death, I think they're still assuming he was 18 when he died. MOO

Thank you, I had the wrong date. Corrected my earlier post.

So we don't really know whether she was the custodial parent or not, in that case.

Might Bryer have decided to end it all on his birthday? In that case he was 19 when he died.

 

[Zella]

I think it is possible that AS was never told of a funeral or how Bryer's remains were disposed of because there was no service and his remains/ashes are still being held by a funeral home. In that case, simply telling him there has been no service and there is no grave would address some of his complaints.

And him knowing where the remains are wouldn't give him a right to dictate to the funeral home if he's not legally next of kin. That came up with my family earlier this year. Someone was insinuating themselves into funeral planning who had no right to do so, and I was able to tell the funeral home to ignore anything she said. They honored that.

If there are concerns about AS trying to glorify BS, the funeral home could be instructed to not listen or honor any of his requests for Bryer. But it wouldn't preclude him from being able to know where Bryer was or even from wanting to sit quietly with the remains/ashes for awhile.

MOO

 

[Zella]

was kam family notified and shown video? if so then custodial parent doesn't seem to be the issue as he was and had already been 19.

I think Kam's situation was entirely different in that his parents were not divorced. It wasn't an issue of custody or him being a minor, merely them being next of kin. Since they were together, I assume both his parents were allowed to see the video. MOO

 

[Zella]

Most reports had Bryer labeled as a "troubled/violent individual.

This NP article quotes a fellow student saying that many who knew him are in "disbelief".

“From what I understand all of Bryer’s friends … are saying they could never see him doing that,” he told the Post.

SBM

I don't find that very surprising. A couple of other people have also said Bryer was always well-behaved around them. Kam's skateboarding friend from the 60 Minutes Australia interview was one. I think, like many people who enjoy being trolls, Bryer knew when he could get away with it and when he couldn't. MOO

 

[sandbar]

At the time of notification she did not have custody, as he had already turned 19.

Notification of death? RCMP hasn't released the time of death yet, so we don't know how old BS was when he died. It seems to me that DS was his custodial parent, not AS, when BS went missing, became a suspect etc. In the time between those events and BS' death, AS did not get custody, so he is still not the custodial parent.

 

[Zella]

Thank you, I had the wrong date. Corrected my earlier post.

So we don't really know whether she was the custodial parent or not, in that case.

Might Bryer have decided to end it all on his birthday? In that case he was 19 when he died.

It's possible. I think he probably killed himself before he made it to 19. The RCMP said they had been dead several days but had also likely lived for several days after last being sighted. That makes me think they killed themselves at some point in late July. The video, as some have suggested, likely has a timestamp and might provide the most definitive clue on a date. MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

What letter of what law? They have a video and they can show it to whomever they want, when they want. The is nothing compelling them or preventing them from showing it to any given person. moo.

Exactly: if there is nothing compelling the RCMP to show the video to AS, then they simply do not have to show it to AS.

 

[Gina20]

According to someone on this board, Bryer's birthday was August 4. I assume they got that from social media.

August 9 was the day they were found dead.

So Bryer's mom is no longer the custodial parent, as that changed on August 9 when he turned 19.

However, she was the custodial parent on the day he died. (edit: actually it's unclear, given he died right around the day of his birthday_

I would still like to see the rule that the custodial parent gets everything and the non-custodial parent gets nothing.

edit: corrected birthday to August 4.

Date of death on death certificates is sometimes given as the date a body was found, when the actual date of death is not known.

Further to someone's other statements about adoption rights, BS was not adopted, as far as we know.

It is my opinion that victimization and revictimization are taking place. What is the point? Common sense and mediation could go a long way. The RCMP has psychologist-mediators on staff. Why not use them? Common sense, courtesy, respect, and dignity could go a long way.

MOO.