Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #17

[KR72]

Who's with me in thinking that it was AS who leaked the info about the video to the media in the first place? Remember how the news at the time said that the person was a relative who had not seen the video? Someone leaked the info to him, but I think he's the one who spilled to the media.

 

[SovereignSnake]

I actually think that plaid jacket--or one similar to it--might also be in the background of Bryer's Slav squat picture on Instagram. But I am not 100% sure. It did make me wonder if Kam was sitting behind him on the computer while he was demonstrating his Slav squatting/bottle holding skills.

I noticed that too, I'm fairly certain that is Kam sitting behind him at the computer.

 

[Gina20]

Yes, they like to make sure they have a retainer first, lol.

Seriously, she's saying AS has a right to view the will and the law says a video is not a will. She's saying AS wants to see it before the public does. He has no standing to demand that, because he is not next-of-kin, DS is. He is, essentially, "the public". I don't think AS has any sort of case. That isn't going to matter much to the lawyer. The lawyer just wants to be paid.

They wouldn't even been able to get a court date in two weeks before whatever part of it becomes public, becomes public, so I don't see the benefit to AS of all this saber-rattling.

Can't AS just wait quietly for a couple weeks? Or must he take this to the media yet again? I think DS has a valid concern if she feels AS is going to take absolutely everything to the media and court of public opinion every time.

The lawyer volunteers as a board member with a downtown eastside charity in Vancouver, which helps the same population once targeted by the serial killer Robert Pickton. I would not be surprised if this is being done pro bono. JMO.

 

[SovereignSnake]

According to this, Alan was not invited to the funeral nor does he even know where Bryer's body is. Very sad.

Father of BC murder suspect fighting to see video of 'last will and testament'

 

[Zella]

I noticed that too, I'm fairly certain that is Kam sitting behind him at the computer.

Thanks! I'd wondered if it was just the coat draped there, but that wouldn't explain the angle of the sleeve, so yeah I'm thinking it is Kam, as well. I wonder who took the pic.

 

[MistyWaters]

That thought has crossed my mind as well. Perhaps BS asked for a burial or said something like, "I want to be buried by the ocean," but due to the condition of his remains, expense, other factors, his mother decided to have him cremated. Something like that could set AS off, especially given his emotional state, and any deviance from BS's wishes could possibly be seen by AS as part of the "broken system" and his son being treated like a "football" and so on.

(FYI, did you know that nearly 70% of Canadians are cremated? There's not the same stigma surrounding it here as there is in other countries, even older people are going with it now, including Catholics.)

Just on the topic of cremation......I agree and it always surprises me to hear of speculation about open casket funerals, even viewings, because IMO that would be quite a rare occurrence in Canada, particularly of an 18 year old, an accused murderer. The word “funeral” is typically associated to a body/casket and burial, although the burial is not always immediate and a 2nd private graveside service is sometimes held later. Memorials are far more common than funerals, sometimes with an urn/ashes present but often just with photos of the deceased.

It’s unfortunate the reporter didn’t ask AS why he thinks a funeral took place.

 

[sandbar]

Thanks! I'd wondered if it was just the coat draped there, but that wouldn't explain the angle of the sleeve, so yeah I'm thinking it is Kam, as well. I wonder who took the pic.

Can you pls link the pic?

 

[1987]

According to this, Alan was not invited to the funeral nor does he even know where Bryer's body is. Very sad.

Father of BC murder suspect fighting to see video of 'last will and testament'

this is why I have issue with him not getting info. why would info harm anyone? they don't have to sit on the same bench at a funeral or even agree on anything to do with a funeral or memorial to give him info.

 

[Zella]

Can you pls link the pic?

Sure!

It's Bryer's Slav squat pic on Instagram. There's a purple plaid jacket in the back that looks a lot like the one Kam is wearing in Bryer's Instagram profile pic. MOO

bryer (@bryer_schmegelsky) • Instagram photos and videos

 

[SnooperDuper]

The lawyer volunteers as a board member with a downtown eastside charity in Vancouver, which helps the same population once targeted by the serial killer Robert Pickton. I would not be surprised if this is being done pro bono. JMO.

What's the free publicity for the lawyer worth? She's already all over the news, including video segments.

AS has no standing and there's nothing that the lawyer can achieve in 2 weeks to get AS what he wants.

They are both just playing the media.

 

[Gina20]

I think releasing the video or even a transcript is not in the public interest. It could provide encouragement to future perpetrators of this kind of crime.

I expect the RCMP to characterize what was in the video and that's about it.

I also think there's a good chance they do show AS the video, but under controlled conditions and just before they do the public release of their findings.

Someone told AS about the video. Someone leaked its existence to him. Otherwise, he would have been none the wiser. That person likely wasn't his ex-wife, it's safe to assume.

 

[Gina20]

What's the free publicity for the lawyer worth? She's already all over the news, including video segments.

AS has no standing and there's nothing that the lawyer can achieve in 2 weeks to get AS what he wants.

They are both just playing the media.

I think this is a lawyer who might have a social justice conscience. Not all pro bono cases are done for free publicity. Some lawyers take on pro bono cases because they can afford to do social justice work.

Of course I don't know if this is a pro bono case or not.

 

[Gina20]

Just on the topic of cremation......I agree and it always surprises me to hear of speculation about open casket funerals, even viewings, because IMO that would be quite a rare occurrence in Canada, particularly of an 18 year old, an accused murderer. The word “funeral” is typically associated to a body/casket and burial, although the burial is not always immediate and a 2nd private graveside service is sometimes held later. Memorials are far more common than funerals, sometimes with an urn/ashes present but often just with photos of the deceased.

It’s unfortunate the reporter didn’t ask AS why he thinks a funeral took place.

Some people use "funeral" and "memorial service" interchangeably. There are also "celebrations of life," and other terms. The exact term may not mean that much, other than a formal service of some kind, with or without caskets, urns, etc.

 

[sandbar]

I think AS is asking for information about his son that he seems to have had some relationship with. I feel he should get equal information. as for equal rights to final decision for the body I think that does go to a legal appointed next of kin.

Maybe no one gets to decide where murderers are buried...
Clifford Olson may be buried in secret: official
(Before anyone asks, I'm not comparing the crimes, just the "notoriety", (and I do know K&B were not convicted)).

 

[SovereignSnake]

Just on the topic of cremation......I agree and it always surprises me to hear of speculation about open casket funerals, even viewings, because IMO that would be quite a rare occurrence in Canada, particularly of an 18 year old, an accused murderer. The word “funeral” is typically associated to a body/casket and burial, although the burial is not always immediate and a 2nd private graveside service is sometimes held later. Memorials are far more common than funerals, sometimes with an urn/ashes present but often just with photos of the deceased.

It’s unfortunate the reporter didn’t ask AS why he thinks a funeral took place.

I agree, the reporter should have asked for clarification. My initial thought was, Alan was implying no one is speaking to him on future plans for a memorial. I.E. The family is keeping him out of the loop. I'm speculating, but they're probably not pleased at all with his interviews and speaking to the media.

 

[ErinBat]

It seems unlikely there was a “funeral”. I don’t think AS legally needed to be advised through video of what BS outlined as wishes but I can certainly understand why he’d want to know what’s become of them.

 

[sandbar]

Sure!

It's Bryer's Slav squat pic on Instagram. There's a purple plaid jacket in the back that looks a lot like the one Kam is wearing in Bryer's Instagram profile pic. MOO

bryer (@bryer_schmegelsky) • Instagram photos and videos

thx

 

[MistyWaters]

AS isn't asking for it to be made public, though. As far as I can tell, he wants to see it privately.

His grievance it with B’s legal guardian, not authorities.

That person has the right to proceed with whatever burial arrangements they decide are appropriate given the circumstances, regardless if it contravenes B’s last spoken wishes.

One other thing, AS has indicated he was homeless and suffered from mental illness. If he’s not agreeable to treatment, this could be another reason he appears to be floundering on the outer parameter. Meanwhile I trust somebody in the background is watching over him.

BBM

“In 2016, he was found guilty of two additional criminal harassment charges, and in January 2018, he was found guilty of another criminal harassment charge and two breach of probation charges.

It's unclear whether his ex-wife was the target of the harassment in each case, but Schmegelsky said in an interview that at least some of the charges were filed because the boy's mother feared he would murder her, saying he was schizophrenic and was not taking his medication. He denies these allegations.

Schmegelsky writes in the book that a forensic psychologist diagnosed him as “delusional,” a conclusion he disagreed with . His lawyer described him as “autistic” at one point, he writes, and he was ordered to attend a crisis counselling centre but couldn't afford to attend for very long as it wasn't a government program...”
Alan Schmegelsky, father of northern B.C. murder suspect, details troubled life in book

 

[MistyWaters]

Some people use "funeral" and "memorial service" interchangeably. There are also "celebrations of life," and other terms. The exact term may not mean that much, other than a formal service of some kind, with or without caskets, urns, etc.

Given the present circumstances including the police report not yet finalized, would it seem logical that B’s family would hurry to hold a “celebration of life” for B at this time? Grieving takes on many different shades but I’d be surprised if they’ve got anywhere near the point of understanding. Suicide is one thing but B is also accused of needlessly taking 3 innocent victims with him.

This stands out to me as a possible difference though, as AS already predicted his son would be found dead early on. So maybe he’s beyond grieving, reaching the point of acceptance and is assuming a funeral would’ve been held fairly soon, I don’t know.

 

[Gina20]

His grievance it with B’s legal guardian, not authorities.

That person has the right to proceed with whatever burial arrangements they decide are appropriate given the circumstances, regardless if it contravenes B’s last spoken wishes.

One other thing, AS has indicated he was homeless and suffered from mental illness. If he’s not agreeable to treatment, this could be another reason he appears to be floundering on the outer parameter. Meanwhile I trust somebody in the background is watching over him.

BBM

“In 2016, he was found guilty of two additional criminal harassment charges, and in January 2018, he was found guilty of another criminal harassment charge and two breach of probation charges.

It's unclear whether his ex-wife was the target of the harassment in each case, but Schmegelsky said in an interview that at least some of the charges were filed because the boy's mother feared he would murder her, saying he was schizophrenic and was not taking his medication. He denies these allegations.

Schmegelsky writes in the book that a forensic psychologist diagnosed him as “delusional,” a conclusion he disagreed with . His lawyer described him as “autistic” at one point, he writes, and he was ordered to attend a crisis counselling centre but couldn't afford to attend for very long as it wasn't a government program...”
Alan Schmegelsky, father of northern B.C. murder suspect, details troubled life in book

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/snook-absence-costs-1.5116716

Compassion is sorely lacking here, IMO. AS is not a prisoner, and even prisoners are allowed to attend funerals of loved ones, in certain circumstances. Even prisoners who have done terrible things.

There may not have been a formal service, but why couldn't AS have been granted time with his son's remains privately, under supervision? The answer may be in that video that he is not allowed to see, nor does he have a transcript or an audio recording?

Thinking back to another father's statement about how important it was to bring his boy home.