Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #18

[musicaljoke]

Apparently, they had fireproof sleeping bags.

Canadian killer fugitives' trail of clues: Billowing smoke, sardine cans, sleeping bag helped end manhunt

A sleeping bag was found inside the charred vehicle. What kind of sleeping bag can do that? Maybe these were sleeping bags with superpowers!

Oh it had super powers all right. It also managed to float 100 kms upstream!

 

[Gina20]

Oh it had super powers all right. It also managed to float 100 kms upstream!

"A" sleeping bag. The guide saw "a" sleeping bag.

 

[FactFinder3000]

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The boy's friends watched him (or helped him?) overdose, and then just laughed and videod and shared it all as he died. No robbery. Just for sick kicks.

It wasn't that way all (that I can see) with KM and BS.

Reminds me somewhat of this story: Kelly Ellard admits responsibility in Reena Virk death for first time

For KM and BS I don't think we have a very complete picture yet of what they were like, especially Kam.

I did read that BS dropped out of school for a while. I'd like to know the details on that one.

 

[ktm44]

There is no point in anyone to doing a criminal background check on someone who is 18, because juvenile criminal records are sealed. Which means no one has access. I believe possibly if a juvenile was charged as an adult, you might get a hit, but they would have had to be VERY young when they committed the crime to not still be in jail.

Regardless of age, Walmart does a criminal background check on every employee. They use an outside organization and each applicant must provide 2 pieces of identification. The identification allowed are pretty standard (DL, SIN, birth certificate, ) but if an applicant is lacking, they will acccept some interesting forms of ID. HR will very likely suggest a WIN or PAL card, with heavy emphasis on PAL becuase it's assumed that the government has done the appropriate background checks.

 

[Gina20]

This article does explain something. In the absence of facts, fear filled the void. Who doesn't remember being afraid of monsters?

Trauma, uncertainty of manhunt pierces powerful northern peace

This story took on a life of its own in the dark recesses of our collective imagination. In the retelling, a web was woven to tidy up inconvenient loose ends, and connect the unconnected, IMO.

I do have an issue with "milleniums".

What we need is facts. Otherwise, Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky will go down in history as the "Mad Trappers of 2019". Maybe that is what they wanted at the end of the day.

All JMO.

 

[FactFinder3000]

Regardless of age, Walmart does a criminal background check on every employee. They use an outside organization and each applicant must provide 2 pieces of identification. The identification allowed are pretty standard (DL, SIN, birth certificate, ) but if an applicant is lacking, they will acccept some interesting forms of ID. HR will very likely suggest a WIN or PAL card, with heavy emphasis on PAL becuase it's assumed that the government has done the appropriate background checks.

I could easily see them doing that. Is this in Canada?

One thing, though: an outside organization would not have access to criminal records for when they were under 18.

 

[Gina20]

Regardless of age, Walmart does a criminal background check on every employee. They use an outside organization and each applicant must provide 2 pieces of identification. The identification allowed are pretty standard (DL, SIN, birth certificate, ) but if an applicant is lacking, they will acccept some interesting forms of ID. HR will very likely suggest a WIN or PAL card, with heavy emphasis on PAL becuase it's assumed that the government has done the appropriate background checks.

And since SIN cards are no longer issued (just a paper confirmation), it is reasonable to assume people that age don't have a SIN card.

One thing never mentioned by police is that a person can have no criminal record, yet still have a police record. This is all a person did with police involvement, but without getting a criminal record.

There is also something about an address record. For example, if someone calls police, there is a record of calls made from that address. Let's say you call about a disturbance on the street, or a suspicious person. That stays on the address record.

Given how police can't say anything about anyone due to privacy laws, or so we are told, they told TLC in Cold Lake about no criminal records?

 

[FactFinder3000]

I think they were just mad at the world and any target was as good as any other to them. They spent a lot of time at war games both online and in real life. I think it adds up.

Violent video games are incredibly popular and the vast majority of players are normal people, so I don't see the violent games as any sort of red flag. It does fit, though, of course.

What I found incredibly disturbing was this:

“Bryer seemed to take it very seriously … My son told me that he would mention things like, ‘What if this was real? Can you imagine if this was real?’ when playing video games. He’d get a little too excited about it." (source)

That sure sounds to me like he wanted to kill someone.

 

[sandbar]

How come nobody here has seen the photo of the sleeping bag? So yes, the story is weak. But it's possible. He said he saw the sleeping bag hanging on a fence while they were trying to pull the car out. Odd, but why not?

The story IS weak, yes.

I've put cardboard behind my back tires to get out of snow, for traction, maybe they tried that with their sleeping bag? Didn't work so they hung out there.
[PleasePLEASEplease don't write back that they had cardboard boxes so they could have used cardboard.] I'm just sayin' that is a plausible story.

 

[Jan424]

I keep thinking about this as well. Was it two rifles, two handguns or one of each? Then I got to speculating, where was this/these rifle(s) when they were stopped at the checkpoint? Then thought, if there was a rifle it could have been placed in the RAV's hidden cargo compartments. Here's the thing though, if I'm reading these measurements correctly one compartment is 36 inches long and the other is 43 inches long. I look at this video and it doesn't appear a rifle will feet even in the bigger of the two compartments. I measured my Dad's Mauser 308 and it's just shy of 47 inches long. It's also entirely possible Kam and Bryer kept it under a blanket or in a sleeping bag. I also wanted to mention in addition to the strange wording at the checkpoint stop, the officer used the word "boxes" but I think he meant like "totes" like rubber maid containers. I swear there was another article that said "plastic containers." I just can't imagine going camping with any cardboard boxes because you know it's going to get wet lest you leave it in the vehicle.

2011 Toyota RAV4

I thought I read an article that said plastic containers as well. I know K&B weren’t especially bright, but I really do think they had enough brains between them to keep rifles hidden in some way... sleeping bags or blankets makes sense. I will add, if we find out they actually had hand guns, then that puts an entirely different spin on this road trip.... totally MOO!

 

[Kiantra]

Perhaps BS and KM were muddy when they got stuck in CL. They used the sleeping bag to wipe themselves off and hung it on the fence to dry.
Just a thought.

 

[sandbar]

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Some WSers, like me, believe K&B crossed paths with C&L somewhere along the route.

 

[Jan424]

SBM

In support of this, I keep thinking of the ridiculous movies we see today (ala 007 or vigilantes saving the day/Earth) in which ridiculous means and actions are displayed when, for example, the good guys swing on a clothesline, land on top of a garbage truck, jump onto the roof of a moving car and "surf" it to the next ridiculous and unlikely escape path.

When I think of this stuff, it makes me wonder if these two actually thought that they would continue across the country/world performing miraculous and last-minute escape stunts.

Far fetched, maybe, but these "entertainment" venues are ubiquitous these days. Add video games to the mix and its a poor recipe for young minds to formulate unrealistic ideas and ideals.

To add in my two cents here.....I recently engaged a close friend of mine in discussion of this case, which she previously knew nothing about. She found it completely baffling, as many of us here. However, when I added in “oh and they were avid gamers”.... it was like a light bulb went on over her head. She wondered if they were living out a game. She also mentioned how violent and realistic they can be, so this theory seemed very plausible to her (she has a few nephews who are gamers). Anyway, maybe not so far fetched... when minds are steeped in these violent games, who knows what can take hold. MOO

 

[sandbar]

@elondriel do you know what a sleeping bag represents in the video game that K&B played? (I can't remember the name)

 

[Schmoosh]

Does anyone have a workable theory and motive for KM and BS's suddenly leaving their full-time Wal-Mart jobs/leaving their homes for a road trip other than to find work?

What was the catalyst?

 

[SovereignSnake]

I mentioned this about a week ago, I'm still suspicious if Mr. Ste-Croix did truly did see a sleeping bag? He said he recognized it as the same one the "Ontario media" put out and the RCMP recovered way down the river at Port Nelson. I have searched high and low I am yet to see an actual photo of this infamous blue sleeping bag. I'm not saying he's making things up. I mean it's entirely possible being cramped in the RAV they pulled over for the night in Cold Lake, shared a sleeping bag and slept under the stars and it got wet from the dew or it started raining. I recall the RCMP saying they weren't confirming the one in the river actually belonged to Kam and Bryer but it did spark them to search the river bank more thoroughly especially after it lead to the discovery of that john boat. What's more, is it possible much of these things they found at the burnt out RAV originally belonged to Leonard? I also pictured a scenario where they crashed the RAV had one last "picnic" before torching it, perhaps one of the boys carried a sleeping bag, one carried a tent and whatever they could fit in back-packs and into the woods they went.

 

[NJSleuth91]

@elondriel do you know what a sleeping bag represents in the video game that K&B played? (I can't remember the name)

The game is called Rust and IIRC you put the sleeping bag in a location to respawn at that point after you die.

 

[MistyWaters]

To add in my two cents here.....I recently engaged a close friend of mine in discussion of this case, which she previously knew nothing about. She found it completely baffling, as many of us here. However, when I added in “oh and they were avid gamers”.... it was like a light bulb went on over her head. She wondered if they were living out a game. She also mentioned how violent and realistic they can be, so this theory seemed very plausible to her (she has a few nephews who are gamers). Anyway, maybe not so far fetched... when minds are steeped in these violent games, who knows what can take hold. MOO

Maybe your friend has read this -
This is Your Child's Brain on Video Games

Before anyone defends avid video game playing, I’m not saying it has a negative effect on everyone. But for some, gaming onself into a perpetual state of fight-or-flight can’t be a good thing.

 

[MistyWaters]

Some WSers, like me, believe K&B crossed paths with C&L somewhere along the route.

Possibly but as recent as the last PC announcing the bodies were recovered the RCMP had not found a prior connection.

“However, according to Hackett, there is no evidence suggesting a link between the suspects and victims.”
B.C. murder suspects Bryer Schmegelsky, Kam McLeod believed to be dead

 

[ktm44]

I could easily see them doing that. Is this in Canada?

One thing, though: an outside organization would not have access to criminal records for when they were under 18.

Yes, it is in Canada and I'm aware that they would not have access to young offenders records but because employees handle large amounts of cash and merchandise, candidates are expected to provide references and they are checked as well.

That doesn't guarantee that no criminals have ever worked at Walmart but they do the best they can to protect the company and customers.