Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #18

[copkid]

I may be totally wrong, but most of K's pictures are of his face, we don't see him in his world or in context. B, pitiful or evil, we see a bit of his world. We can place him in space, Kam is just floating...maybe that's a parallel to reality, maybe K had a "loving family" but no attachment to it.

SBM & BBM

This to me says so much..."a bit of his world".
There has been much discussion here trying to understand/analyze what made these two tick, but in reality we know very very little about either of them.
There are a handful of "still pictures", but lets be realistic, there must be family photo albums containing many more pictures than the few we have seen.

There is the partial video from Meadow Lake.

There are a few interviews with people that went to school with them years ago, there was an interview with the neighbour of BS's Gramma.

We have heard little or nothing from anyone remotely close to either of them except for AS of course.

No teachers, no former employers, no close friends (that they currently hung with), nothihg from B's Mom or Gramma, nothing from K's family at all. Nothing from anyone that knew K's family, not even a neighbour.

I feel that attempting to analyze/understand the thoughts and minds of KM & BS based on the extremely limited info that has been made public is a next to impossible feat. JMO

 

[Zella]

It's really no different than that except less messy, and in My experience less painful.

SBM

That's what my brother has told me, with quite a bit of the emphasis on "less painful."

 

[Zella]

The first photo I saw of Kam being circulated looks like it was taken in a restaurant gathered round a table. Then his family put out his graduation photo which if I'm timing correctly based on his physical appearance and how green and full everything is in the background I want to say late August or early September 2017? Does that sound too long ago? We usually did our photos the summer/late summer/early fall just before or the start of our senior year of high school. In Canada they graduate at the end of June typically as I've come to understand? He looks way more grown up in the Meadow Lake footage, like he definitely got taller and more chiseled in the face since those photos his dad posted were taken. I do agree, I don't think he likes being photographed. I tend not to either, especially when someone shoves a camera right in my face. I'll do it for them if they have their heart set on a photo with me but I'd rather not. Anyway, then that most recent photo his parents put out looks like it was also taken in late summer or early fall of 2018. Definitely the back hatch of a minivan or an SUV is raised and I can't tell if that's a pontoon covered on the left side of the photo or a popup camper. Just some more observation and speculation as always.

Yeah, his graduation picture ran on July 4, 2018, but I imagine it may have been taken earlier in the year or even the year before. Maybe one of our Canadians could shed a little more light on the usual timing for those pictures?

I think one of the more recent photos of Kam is maybe the butterfly one with him and Bryer, if only because Kam's face looks comparatively more chiseled and less baby-faced than he does in the other pictures, though I still think his face has changed between then and the surveillance footage. MOO

 

[Zella]

SBM & BBM

This to me says so much..."a bit of his world".
There has been much discussion here trying to understand/analyze what made these two tick, but in reality we know very very little about either of them.
There are a handful of "still pictures", but lets be realistic, there must be family photo albums containing many more pictures than the few we have seen.

I feel that attempting to analyze/understand the thoughts and minds of KM & BS based on the extremely limited info that has been made public is a next to impossible feat. JMO

Yes, I think we do have to be cautious in that we have a limited sample size. However, I still think there's a lot one can glean, especially the pictures they themselves put out there on social media (or, in Kam's case, the relative absence of such photos he himself apparently put out there for the world).

I'm more approaching the pictures from the standpoint of what pings my weirdness meter. And almost every picture of Bryer is just kind of weird. Not even addressing the stuff that is obviously weird. Those pictures are just randomly composed and a bit haphazard and have a lot of incongruous stuff going on as a general rule. Even accounting for the fact they're usually cropped, pictures of Kam just never seem to have all the odd craziness going on in the background. MOO

 

[CanadianMade]

SBM

That's what my brother has told me, with quite a bit of the emphasis on "less painful."

I would put emphasis there as well. Games like Dodge Ball are probably more painful

 

[CanadianMade]

Yeah, his graduation picture ran on July 4, 2018, but I imagine it may have been taken earlier in the year or even the year before. Maybe one of our Canadians could shed a little more light on the usual timing for those pictures?

If you mean the photo of him in the graduation gown, that would have been taken the day he graduated. As far as I know those gowns aren't something you buy. They are worn the day of graduation and that is all. For my graduation we were supplied gowns through the school and were only allowed to keep the caps. I believe we had to pay a rental fee though.

ETA: This could have changed over the years. It has been a long time since I graduated!

 

[Zella]

If you mean the photo of him in the graduation gown, that would have been taken the day he graduated. As far as I know those gowns aren't something you buy. They are worn the day of graduation and that is all. For my graduation we were supplied gowns through the school and were only allowed to keep the caps.

ETA: This could have changed over the years. It has been a long time since I graduated!

Oh that's interesting and very helpful! Thank you!

I'm American. Not sure how other areas do it, but I always had to pay for my graduation stuff but then got to keep it. And we usually got it a bit in advance, say a few weeks.

So, it seems like that graduation pic of his is probably late June of 2018.

 

[Gina20]

Grad photos are taken months before graduation. Companies like Lifetouch come to the school with the gowns. October or November before grad is normal.

 

[CanadianMade]

Oh that's interesting and very helpful! Thank you!

I'm American. Not sure how other areas do it, but I always had to pay for my graduation stuff but then got to keep it. And we usually got it a bit in advance, say a few weeks.

So, it seems like that graduation pic of his is probably late June of 2018.

I think it is a way to keep them all the same so the colors are the schools colors, etc.
It could have just been that my family couldn't afford to purchase and there was the option to rent. I will try and confirm this with my mother as she will be more likely to remember. I feel as if we paid a fee that included gown rental, grad photo(one group and one individual) and probably partly event expenses. We had a ceremony through the day and then an overnight thing with all sorts of fun stuff to do. That's why I say 'event expenses'. I don't imagine all schools do that though.

Yes, I would expect it was probably June as that is usually the month graduation events seem to occur here. I have seen some schools do them at the end of May as well though.

ETA: If I am remembering correctly, you could opt out on the overnight and pay a lesser price. I actually think I had to find temp work to cover the cost of that part myself. Mom teaching me life lessons and all

 

[CanadianMade]

Grad photos are taken months before graduation. Companies like Lifetouch come to the school with the gowns. October or November before grad is normal.

Ahhh...see it seems that all schools may do things a little differently then when it comes to photos and all.
Ours were done on the day we had the graduation ceremony. There was a room set up for it and you could do them before or after the ceremony itself up until a certain time in the evening.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I find it strange, but NO the airsoft players I showed the pics to did not find them creepy at all. In fact they then proceeded to show me pictures of them dressed in their camo and bizarre face gear.
I find it quite creepy but they explained that it was very normal when one is involved in this "sport".
JMO

Interesting. So we might look at those photos and be like "yeah that guy looks like a walking Columbine" but, much like the jokes/trolling in the gaming community, this would be considered normal in the airsoft community.

SBM

This is true, but we can still glean some context from them, and I think the result is still more ostensibly normal than Bryer's world that we see in pictures.

One of the biggest differences I noticed is pictures of Bryer tend to be focusing on something he is proud of, as I have already posted. The focus isn't so much Bryer, but it is his gas mask, his airsoft rifle, his suit, his Slav squat skills, etc. Unless he is modeling his headset in that one pic, it's one of the only photos of him that I can think of where he's just being himself rather than apparently trying to show someone something. It's also, I'd argue, about the most normal picture I've seen of Bryer as a teen. As a result of the fact he almost always seems to be showing off something, there are a fair number of pics of him where he is obviously taking the photo (see thumb in his gas mask picture). And, with the exception of that one photo of him with Kam, Bryer is always alone.

In contrast, the handful of pictures of Kam seem to be about marking an occasion/specific moment, even if it isn't quite clear what that moment is. They are all also obviously not pictures that he is taking himself. The close-up picture of him outside (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/teens-manhunt-homicides-mcleod-schmegelsky-1.5222515)--I am not 100% sure what that is behind him. Is it a vehicle trunk that's open? That's sure what it looks like to me. If so, seems like possibly a picture taken when packing for a road trip/camping trip.

In the picture of Kam that was initially circulated, it's cropped, but there is clearly some sort of social function going on. I think Kam is sitting next to someone who has been cropped out, but you can see a bit of what looks like their shirt next to him, and he is leaning in toward them, which is pretty normal in a picture. There also appears to be someone sitting behind him in a chair. (Canadian teen murder suspects killed themselves with guns, police reveal).

His graduation picture is harder to detect anything from because it's a canned photo op (If you ‘inadvertently’ helped two suspected killers escape, please come forward, RCMP urge), but I did notice he's wearing a white collared shirt with a black tie. Several guys on that page of the newspaper have a similar look, but not everybody does. Kam's collars are also a lot straighter than some of the other guys with a similar look. One guy is clearly in a T-shirt. Kam's outfit is a much more formal look than Bryer's purple shirt and tie suit would have been if such a graduation picture existed for him. Was there school guidelines for the picture that he followed? Or did his parents put their foot down and say, "Your graduation picture isn't going to be you in a Cathulu shirt, pal!" Who knows--but I still think it is something worth analyzing. He obviously put some effort into looking nice for that picture, whether it was under his own initiative or not. His hair even looks marginally less tousled and combed down!

Also, there are more pictures of Kam outside. (Not counting graduation picture since that seems to be the set style.) I'm really surprised Bryer didn't take the time to take his airsoft/camo pic outside, especially since the whole point of buying it for him, according to his dad, was to get him outside. Bryer almost always looks fairly pale in any picture of him. I assume he just had really fair skin. To me, Kam looks quite pallid in that surveillance footage, but in earlier pictures of him, he looks like he's been in a bit of sunshine. I'd never say he was tan, but he just doesn't look as pale. I think it's reasonable to assume since he was raised on the lake, he probably was outside more than Bryer. The only picture I can think of Bryer being outside is the one he's in with Kam, actually.

So, yeah, we can't glean a lot from Kam's world based on those photos, but what I do see still seems much less odd than Bryer and his sad Happy Birthday banner behind him while he's rocking a gas mask.

All MOO

This is such a great analysis! I'm always impressed by your attention to detail -- I didn't even notice half the stuff you mentioned. And, their photos do seem to be consistent with the information we know about their personalities from people who knew them.

Also I don't think it's unusual that Bryer looked really pale despite spending time outside. It rains a lot there, it's a fairly northern latitude, and they were in the woods most of the time they were outside.

No teachers, no former employers, no close friends (that they currently hung with), nothihg from B's Mom or Gramma, nothing from K's family at all. Nothing from anyone that knew K's family, not even a neighbour.

SBM

There were statements from several of their friends (like the one in the 60 Minutes interview, and Bryer's gaming friends who he sent pictures to on Steam), former coworkers at Walmart, Bryer's mom/grandma/great-uncle, and Kam's family. And, while those statements weren't as detailed as Bryer's dad's interviews, they all seemed to give a pretty consistent picture of these guys.

 

[Gina20]

Ahhh...see it seems that all schools may do things a little differently then when it comes to photos and all.
Ours were done on the day we had the graduation ceremony. There was a room set up for it and you could do them before or after the ceremony itself up until a certain time in the evening.

Grad - Home - Alberni District Secondary School

December.

 

[Zella]

This is such a great analysis! I'm always impressed by your attention to detail -- I didn't even notice half the stuff you mentioned. And, their photos do seem to be consistent with the information we know about their personalities from people who knew them.

Also I don't think it's unusual that Bryer looked really pale despite spending time outside. It rains a lot there, it's a fairly northern latitude, and they were in the woods most of the time they were outside.

Thank you!

And that's a good point about the climate. To me, Bryer is not shocking pale, to the point that it looks like something is wrong with his health. He just looks like a guy with a naturally fair complexion who doesn't get outside much.

I'd venture to say Kam was naturally fair, too--his coloring otherwise is certainly lighter than Bryer's--but that he spent enough time outside that he got some sunshine. He's certainly not tanned in a way that looks like he was outside all the time, though as you noted, some of that might just be the climate they lived in. Oh and now that I think about it, Bryer might have been wearing equipment when he was playing airsoft that protected him from the sun, too.

Still, I've never thought Kam was dark enough to think of him in connection with that sketch that was circulated of the "dark" guy who was seen talking to Lucas and Chynna.

All MOO

 

[CanadianMade]

Grad - Home - Alberni District Secondary School

December.

I suppose the photo could have been taken either in December or June though as they would have had to wear the gown for the ceremony as well. I believe his photo was taken outside somewhere..?? If that is the case I would assume it was June as the photos by lifetouch would be more likely to be inside and with that same backdrop as the photo in that link.

 

[Zella]

Grad - Home - Alberni District Secondary School

December.

Oh that's helpful! Thank you. Guess the summery-looking backgrounds are just that--a background!

 

[FactFinder3000]

Ahhh...see it seems that all schools may do things a little differently then when it comes to photos and all.
Ours were done on the day we had the graduation ceremony. There was a room set up for it and you could do them before or after the ceremony itself up until a certain time in the evening.

You'd think they'd do it that way, since you do have to buy the cap and gown for the graduation ceremony and group photo, and you only get them just before the ceremony in June.

But nope, they take the individual photos in December.

 

[1987]

some people want the grad photo to include with the grad announcement. photos are taken early so they are printed and ready when the announcements are ready.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Thank you!

And that's a good point about the climate. To me, Bryer is not shocking pale, to the point that it looks like something is wrong with his health. He just looks like a guy with a naturally fair complexion who doesn't get outside much.

I'd venture to say Kam was naturally fair, too--his coloring otherwise is certainly lighter than Bryer's--but that he spent enough time outside that he got some sunshine. He's certainly not tanned in a way that looks like he was outside all the time, though as you noted, some of that might just be the climate they lived in. Oh and now that I think about it, Bryer might have been wearing equipment when he was playing airsoft that protected him from the sun, too.

Still, I've never thought Kam was dark enough to think of him in connection with that sketch that was circulated of the "dark" guy who was seen talking to Lucas and Chynna.

All MOO

I live around 41 degrees N and even here, the sun is only strong enough to cause a tan about half the year, and even then that's only a few hours a day. Port Alberni is at 49 degrees N and it's cloudy/rainy there a lot of the time and there's a lot of tree cover. Also, some people are just that pale naturally... I'm about that pale and one time a doctor actually made me do a blood test because they thought I was anemic! Good point about the equipment too, like if he wore the face mask outside. I think that's a common thing in Airsoft, and especially if they were trying to be "masters of camouflage" like Bryer's dad said in the interview.

[RANT: please ignore this if you don't like anti-gun rants]I am anti-gun. Period. I think maybe that airsoft pellets don't hurt might be part of the problem! Doesn't that just normalize running around in the forest stalking people without consequence? And being stalked by other people with guns that don't hurt?! It's like if we gave 16-year-olds bumper cars to practise driving. Airsoft could market their products: "Step right up boys and girls, get yer entry level starter guns here. Don't worry they don't hurt anyone..."[/RANT for now]

Well the 60 Minutes interviewer seemed to be going for that angle. I don't think it's that simple. Anyone knows that a real gun is going to cause damage. Now on the other hand it's possible that they could have used the Airsoft rifles as "target practice" (or is it? I don't know much about either guns or Airsoft so I don't know how analogous they are), or that pretend killing people could have made them want to actually kill people more, or if this was a robbery or altercation gone wrong, that one of them shot automatically because they were used to doing so from playing Airsoft. Overall I would say, maybe it's not the best idea for someone who is already emotionally disturbed to have these hobbies where they're pretend killing people.

 

[Zella]

Good point about the equipment too, like if he wore the face mask outside. I think that's a common thing in Airsoft, and especially if they were trying to be "masters of camouflage" like Bryer's dad said in the interview.

I'm kind of surprised no pictures of Bryer wearing camo face paint have surfaced. It seems like something that would be right up his alley and that he would find cool enough to want to share photos of it with people he knew.

MOO

 

[CanadianMade]

You'd think they'd do it that way, since you do have to buy the cap and gown for the graduation ceremony and group photo, and you only get them just before the ceremony in June.

But nope, they take the individual photos in December.

Yes, that is very odd to me, but I guess we can't expect everyone to do things the same way. We certainly didn't have that option at my school(or in my day maybe).