Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #20

[Seattle1]

Hi, do you have a link? I've never heard that Gramma spoke.

Early on when the teens were first believed to be missing, BS grandmother was quoted saying that BS had lived with her for a couple of years, and that she very much enjoyed having him in her home. She also stated she believed the teens were traveling to Whitehorse to look for work. I recall her statement was brief. Check the early msn posts in media thread.

 

[sandbar]

Early on when the teens were first believed to be missing, BS grandmother was quoted saying that BS had lived with her for a couple of years, and that she very much enjoyed having him in her home. She also stated she believed the teens were traveling to Whitehorse to look for work. I recall her statement was brief. Check the early msn post in media thread.

Thx

 

[Seattle1]

It doesn't sound proffessional to me. They have 3 families here. From 3 different countries. They can't spit in the face of 2 families because "meh, too bad for them, but broterhood, you know". JMO obviously.

I'm not sure where you got the impression that RCMP "spit in the face" of CD and LD families (assuming by nondisclosure).

If not for statements by both LF and CD's family, we would not be aware of their cause of death (media followed after their statements).

Although leaked by another source that LD was shot, his family obviously learned this from RCMP --but did not wish to speak.

MOO

 

[zinny77]

I'm not sure where you got the impression that RCMP "spit in the face" of CD and LD families (assuming by nondisclosure).

If not for statements by both LF and CD's family, we would not be aware of their cause of death (media followed after their statements).

Although leaked by another source that LD was shot, his family obviously learned this from RCMP --but did not wish to speak.

MOO

I was replying to the comment saying that Lucas' father was receiving more infos because he is a police officer. I was just saying that I don't believe that RCMP did that because they respect the three families the same. So I was saying the opposite of "I have the impression that RCMP is disrespectful to the familes of C and L".

 

[JoshuaTree]

Hi, do you have a link? I've never heard that Gramma spoke.

"Schmegelsky’s grandmother, Carol Starkey, said McLeod and Schmegelsky left Port Alberni on July 12 to find work in Whitehorse. When they arrived in Whitehorse a few days later, they decided it wasn’t what they had expected. Starkey, who was last in touch with her grandson on July 13 or 14, isn’t sure what their plans were after that."

RCMP not ruling out link between missing Vancouver Island teens, body found near truck, double slaying

 

[Trooper]

How disrespectful for Chynna's and Leonard's families if they only shared that kind of info with Lucas father because he is an inspector. I don't think RCMP would do that. JMO

It needs to be recalled that Mr Fowler considered Chynna to be his daughter and beloved daughter to boot, and he said in the beginning that he was there to help facilitate matters, of them both. And by matters I mean body retrieval, artifact retrieval, death certificate, repatriation of both bodies, by air in special coffins, with all the paperwork that requires, one to the Carolina's, one to Sydney, since Mr and Mrs Deese were hor's de combat . For all we know South Carolina sent up a detective, as a courtesy to Mr Deese and Mr Fowler, and like some Americans can do very well, , lay low and quiet and did his job and went back to Durham, or wherever.

And you don't know what the RCMP shared with Prof.Dycks family. Probably everything. I'd be surprised if they held anything back, and it is perfectly normal for the Dyck family to retain that information within their own circle, they are in no way obliged to share it with the great unwashed, that's you and me, sport.

This constant denigration of the victim's families really has to lay down and rest for a while.

There is no obligation for the RCMP to share a darn thing with the suspects family!.... How do they know, at this stage , if somewhere in their families lies the mastermind, the instructor, the leash holder?

Considering their ages, their lack of motive, their absence of memoir, the RCMP is absolutely on the money NOT to indulge the suspects family with the slightest information. Who knows where it could go?

This is not an uncommon occurrence, so it is hardly rational to expect the RCMP to sit round texting and emailing AS, McLeods, et al with constant updates and conjecture. Policing isn't called a silent service for nothing, even though submariners try and grab that label.

And … it's only AS that is , in his state of dysfunction, making all the yips and yelps about it, none of which seems to have moved the RCMP by so much as a centimeter, and thank god for that.

 

[sandbar]

"Schmegelsky’s grandmother, Carol Starkey, said McLeod and Schmegelsky left Port Alberni on July 12 to find work in Whitehorse. When they arrived in Whitehorse a few days later, they decided it wasn’t what they had expected. Starkey, who was last in touch with her grandson on July 13 or 14, isn’t sure what their plans were after that."

RCMP not ruling out link between missing Vancouver Island teens, body found near truck, double slaying

Thx

 

[Trooper]

It doesn't sound proffessional to me. They have 3 families here. From 3 different countries. They can't spit in the face of 2 families because "meh, too bad for them, but broterhood, you know". JMO obviously.

It just needs to be got over that one of the victims was a police commissioners son. It isn't the fault of Lucas that his father is a policeman. It isn't abnormal or special or out of the ordinary for police forces to look after their own, and for all we know the RCMP of the Western Division of the RCMP may have had a previous long term years long intense working relationship with the Parramatta Division of the NSW police, hence to steps cleared somewhat for Mr Fowler to expedite some matters. Not all. But some.

This is how police forces all over the world work. Army does it , too. Navy, airforces, doctors, teachers, engineers, pilots.. All develop working relationships across borders.

Just let it lie down, now. It is what it is.

 

[Trooper]

LF's father, in this situation, isn't a police officer, he's a grieving parent, and he said as much right off the top of his PC. A grieving parent isn't capable of investigating or participating in an investigation into the death of their child. A grieving brain doesn't work that way. Again, I believe he knows this. But maybe we'll have to agree to disagree...

And, you know, so maybe him being a policeman got him a porcelain cup instead of paper cup at the coffee urn at RCMP headquarters, and maybe he got to use the facilities of the office, the fax, the phone, Canadians are a generous people, a co-operative crew, and they would hardly begrudge a father having to do the job he has to fly 12,000 klms to do, in utter horror.

Canadian police would expect to be treated the same way, and are, all across the world under similar circumstances. It's called reciprocity.

 

[zinny77]

And, you know, so maybe him being a policeman got him a porcelain cup instead of paper cup at the coffee urn at RCMP headquarters, and maybe he got to use the facilities of the office, the fax, the phone, Canadians are a generous people, a co-operative crew, and they would hardly begrudge a father having to do the job he has to fly 12,000 klms to do, in utter horror.

Canadian police would expect to be treated the same way, and are, all across the world under similar circumstances. It's called reciprocity.

Nobody is saying he doesn't deserve the best cup they had there. As long as Leonatd's family got the same treatment. And Chynna's. They can give the best of everything to every victim's family in the country. Those people have suffered enough. But giving the best cup, more infos and access to every equipment they can to one family menber and giving a plastic cup, no info and no chair to the other families wouldn't be right. JMO obviously.

 

[SovereignSnake]

I would love to know where Bryer and Kam were when they spoke to Bryer's Grandma. Was it a text or a call? Probably a call from Kam's phone? So if they left say late morning on July 12th and were already telling her the following day (she also could have meant the 14th) it wasn't what they were expecting and it wasn't for them. There's just no way it's possible they could reach that conclusion, not mention actually reaching Whitehorse in that short span of time. Although they could have driven straight from Port Alberni and arrived in Whitehorse late Sunday night/early Monday morning (which would have been a serious haul) but then we have to place them in Liard River that very same night. It is possible I suppose, they had the encounter with Lucas and Chynna Sunday night, then drove the almost 8 hours to Whitehorse and spent a few days there, then drove down to Dease Lake on Thursday the 18th. That would also explain the Jade City sighting prior to the Dease Lake sighting at the Super A in the afternoon. Perhaps Kam and Bryer even spent the one single night just outside ("the third site") Dease Lake, then the following day Friday the 19th began heading further South to where they encountered Leonard and would abandon the Dodge and Camper. Maybe they were even thinking about heading home? I would loved to have heard the conversation which lead to the decision they can never return home to Port Alberni if Kam and Bryer did ever consider that. That's also taking into account Leonard's death was indeed intentional and not an accident.
~All speculation of course.

 

[MistyWaters]

I would love to know where Bryer and Kam were when they spoke to Bryer's Grandma. Was it a text or a call? Probably a call from Kam's phone? So if they left say late morning on July 12th and were already telling her the following day (she also could have meant the 14th) it wasn't what they were expecting and it wasn't for them. There's just no way it's possible they could reach that conclusion, not mention actually reaching Whitehorse in that short span of time. Although they could have driven straight from Port Alberni and arrived in Whitehorse late Sunday night/early Monday morning (which would have been a serious haul) but then we have to place them in Liard River that very same night. It is possible I suppose, they had the encounter with Lucas and Chynna Sunday night, then drove the almost 8 hours to Whitehorse and spent a few days there, then drove down to Dease Lake on Thursday the 18th. That would also explain the Jade City sighting prior to the Dease Lake sighting at the Super A in the afternoon. Perhaps Kam and Bryer even spent the one single night just outside ("the third site") Dease Lake, then the following day Friday the 19th began heading further South to where they encountered Leonard and would abandon the Dodge and Camper. Maybe they were even thinking about heading home? I would loved to have heard the conversation which lead to the decision they can never return home to Port Alberni if Kam and Bryer did ever consider that. That's also taking into account Leonard's death was indeed intentional and not an accident.
~All speculation of course.

I notice the grandmother didn’t specifically say it was she who talked to B when she learned they’d arrived in Whitehorse and it wasn’t what they thought. It seemed to me this was information she knew, but not necessarily directly from B, other than she stated the last time she talked to him was July 13th or 14th. Perhaps she also learned information from other contact with someone else such as B’s mother or one of Ks family members. Even though AS didn’t know the McLeod family, the grandmother and mom live in the same town.

Which makes me wonder, in those first few days why B cut off contact with AS if their relationship was a close as he believed it was, yet B was communicating with the grandmother.

 

[Zella]

Hi, do you have a link? I've never heard that Gramma spoke.

To my knowledge, she was never filmed.

But this Vancouver Sun article early in the investigation mentions her comment about saying she enjoyed having Bryer stay with her.

RCMP not ruling out link between missing Vancouver Island teens, body found near truck, double slaying

As far as I know, I've never seen her directly interviewed elsewhere.

Edited to add: just realized someone else linked this for you earlier. But yes this is the only source I've seen for this.

 

[sandbar]

To my knowledge, she was never filmed.

But this Vancouver Sun article early in the investigation mentions her comment about saying she enjoyed having Bryer stay with her.

RCMP not ruling out link between missing Vancouver Island teens, body found near truck, double slaying

As far as I know, I've never seen her directly interviewed elsewhere.

Edited to add: just realized someone else linked this for you earlier. But yes this is the only source I've seen for this.

Thx

 

[Trooper]

Nobody is saying he doesn't deserve the best cup they had there. As long as Leonatd's family got the same treatment. And Chynna's. They can give the best of everything to every victim's family in the country. Those people have suffered enough. But giving the best cup, more infos and access to every equipment they can to one family menber and giving a plastic cup, no info and no chair to the other families wouldn't be right. JMO obviously.

Could I have your link , please that states that Mr and Mrs Deese and Leonard Dycks family received no information from the RCMP , and/or less than Mr Fowler received, thanks in advance.

I don't mind if the link is from the RCMP or the families themselves, either would be the correct source.

 

[Seattle1]

I notice the grandmother didn’t specifically say it was she who talked to B when she learned they’d arrived in Whitehorse and it wasn’t what they thought. It seemed to me this was information she knew, but not necessarily directly from B, other than she stated the last time she talked to him was July 13th or 14th. Perhaps she also learned information from other contact with someone else such as B’s mother or one of Ks family members. Even though AS didn’t know the McLeod family, the grandmother and mom live in the same town.

Which makes me wonder, in those first few days why B cut off contact with AS if their relationship was a close as he believed it was, yet B was communicating with the grandmother.

I believe AS recently revealed that BS was using his phone as a "wifi device" and only sent texts. Apparently, he had no paid service on his phone. (I posted AS video interview on thread a few days ago).

MOO

Edit: delete grandmother reference to family in Whitehorse.

 

[Trooper]

I notice the grandmother didn’t specifically say it was she who talked to B when she learned they’d arrived in Whitehorse and it wasn’t what they thought. It seemed to me this was information she knew, but not necessarily directly from B, other than she stated the last time she talked to him was July 13th or 14th. Perhaps she also learned information from other contact with someone else such as B’s mother or one of Ks family members. Even though AS didn’t know the McLeod family, the grandmother and mom live in the same town.

Which makes me wonder, in those first few days why B cut off contact with AS if their relationship was a close as he believed it was, yet B was communicating with the grandmother.

Misty, I don't think there has been any corroboration that either of them walked the happy streets of Whitehorse,.... makes me think they were fibbing to Gran from the off.

And thanks for that headsup , re mum and gran, I always wondered if the gran and the mother both lived in Port Alberni, one would think they would connect at times, and probably sometimes , teenagers being what they are, both would have had some occasions to have contact with the McLeods and reciprocal to the mum and/or gran. 'Can Kam stay for dinner?'... ' did Bryer leave his jacket there?"

This whole deep relationship, of such power and commitment just couldn't have been conducted in total silence among their families.

 

[Trooper]

Poor Gran. She doesn't get a look-in in the tragic stakes, yet she invested a fair whack of her life into Bryer, for what seems little return. And perhaps, he was her only grandchild, too, I don't know .. AS never mentions her grief, or any part he may have played into it, or what is being done to comfort her. Criticism of her upbringing skills was her only legacy.

Another collateral damage from this repellant crime.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I believe AS recently revealed that BS was using his phone as a "wifi device" and only sent texts. Apparently, he had no paid service on his phone. (I posted AS video interview on thread a few days ago).

For that reason, as well as the timeline, I think the call about them having been to Whitehorse was probably to Kam's parents and it was between the two sets of murders. JMO.

Also recall that BS had relatives in or near Whitehorse. Possible BS grandmother received news about teens arrival/departure from relative.

I don't think that's the case. He had relatives in Red Deer, Alberta, and when he told his dad they were going to Alberta, his dad assumed that's where they were going. I've never heard anything about him having any relatives in Whitehorse.

 

[MistyWaters]

I believe AS recently revealed that BS was using his phone as a "wifi device" and only sent texts. Apparently, he had no paid service on his phone. (I posted AS video interview on thread a few days ago).

Also recall that BS had relatives in or near Whitehorse. Possible BS grandmother received news about teens arrival/departure from relative.

MOO

Are you thinking of AS stating B had relatives in Alberta, as he was told by B that’s were they were going? I don’t recall ever reading anything about relatives at Whitehorse or for that matter any sort of confirmation the two ever made it there.