Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #20

[Grouper]

I thought he meant a week after they went missing or were suspects?

It seemed to me that AS was saying in a roundabout way that Kam was to blame for this... anyone else get that impression? I think AS is just not feeling heard at all and will speak to anyone that will listen, which happens to be the media. It was mentioned that victim services may be able to help, but do they help the families of the accused? I'm not sure if they do?

They do help families of the accused, from what I understand. But that doesn’t mean they’re supporting Al right now.

Unfortunately, yes, I did notice him insinuating certain things. I think it’s part of the grieving process for him. Anger. I assume Kam’s family may or may not feel the same way. Can’t speak to that, of course, and don’t want to speculate any further.

It’s really too bad that Al is our only mouthpiece right now. I still wish he was left alone by the media. I have no doubt he is also enjoying the attention, maybe feeling vindicated by it at times. Maybe he feels he’s vindicating his son. I don’t know.

I stick by my opinion that no one in a place of such deep grief should be speaking publicly. @NJSleuth91 I truly enjoy and value your perspective here, but I must disagree with Al being real (respectfully of course haha). Maybe it’s just my own sadness making me want to turn away from that interview.

 

[Zella]

I thought he meant a week after they went missing or were suspects?

It seemed to me that AS was saying in a roundabout way that Kam was to blame for this... anyone else get that impression? I think AS is just not feeling heard at all and will speak to anyone that will listen, which happens to be the media. It was mentioned that victim services may be able to help, but do they help the families of the accused? I'm not sure if they do?

60 Minutes Australia didn't air until after the bodies were found, and he said they got him a grief counselor, so I really do think it was mid-August. He also references help being extended to the Port Alberni families--that RCMP statement that directly referenced the Port Alberni families came after the bodies were found. I could be wrong, of course.

And he has indirectly blamed Kam before when he talked about Bryer lacking a driver's license, vehicle, and access to real guns.

All MOO

 

[NJSleuth91]

I stick by my opinion that no one in a place of such deep grief should be speaking publicly. @NJSleuth91 I truly enjoy and value your perspective here, but I must disagree with Al being real (respectfully of course haha). Maybe it’s just my own sadness making me want to turn away from that interview.

It's hard to watch, for sure. I worry about him a lot. I wish there was a way to send him a message of support. I hope that other parents of teen killers are reaching out to him privately (I've heard that there are unofficial support groups for that). But I do think that it's significant that it makes us uncomfortable -- maybe it's not what we want to hear, but it's what we need to hear.

And he has indirectly blamed Kam before when he talked about Bryer lacking a driver's license, vehicle, and access to real guns.

I mean...I can't really blame him for that. Bryer literally would not have even been able to leave Port Alberni to go on a murder spree without Kam. And I strongly suspect Kam had a legal gun license.

Don't get me wrong -- I do think they shared equal responsibility and blame, and this was a mutual decision. But this is a grieving parent. He has license to think otherwise. Just like Kam's family probably thinks Bryer was the bad influence that caused this. Sue Klebold still can't accept that Dylan and Eric were both depressed and psycho in equal measure and neither of them brainwashed the other, and it's been 20 years. JMO.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Also, no wonder Alan's lawyer was convinced there'd be an inquest. Now we know why.

 

[Esprite]

I thought he meant a week after they went missing or were suspects?

It seemed to me that AS was saying in a roundabout way that Kam was to blame for this... anyone else get that impression? I think AS is just not feeling heard at all and will speak to anyone that will listen, which happens to be the media. It was mentioned that victim services may be able to help, but do they help the families of the accused? I'm not sure if they do?

AS would be entitled to grief counselling through social services, as would other members of Bryer and Kam's families, which would get the ball rolling for him; however, there is a protocol, including psychological assessment, that he would have to agree to. His lawyer would know all this, and has probably already attempted to help him.

 

[1987]

I think AS is just being flat honest. he may not have a proper filter but seems he says it the way he sees it and he is simply who he is no matter what others think of him.

 

[LoisLane]

Points made that stood out to me:
Pay-as-you-go Samsung - disconnected number but can still be used for texts? Phone would have been traceable?

Talked to bryer 2 hours before Bryer told him they left PA. Dad telling son to buy RRSP’s with paycheck.

Father currently living in Burnaby.

Breyer wanted to join the army.

Bryer worked at Walmart for 5 weeks.

Points finger at Ministry of Children. Active file?

He is insistent that knowing where the guns came from is key. I suspect he is thinking the guns came from KM’s family home. AS is also very clear that the vehicle did not belong to Bryer and he did not have a drivers license. For me he is suggesting that Bryer was vulnerable and naive and coerced by his companion KM.

ETA. Also said with emphasis that his son has disabilities.

 

[Grouper]

@LoisLane from what I understood, the phone was disconnected some time shortly after he left PA? But was still a traceable device.

The retirement savings (the way I interpreted it) was probably just AS telling BS to put money away in an ordinary savings account.

I don’t know how much stock I put into the army thing.

 

[Grouper]

I think AS is just being flat honest. he may not have a proper filter but seems he says it the way he sees it and he is simply who he is no matter what others think of him.

He is, if nothing else, speaking his truth.

 

[Runningforthewind]

I take everything AS says with a grain of salt. In the first interview, he says they are two boys on an adventure. The second he talks about needing answers and wouldn't admit his son killed anyone without proof, and now he is acting like he is convinced that his son is responsible and blaming his son's friend. No new evidence has been revealed from his Australian interview to today's interview.

 

[1987]

I take everything AS says with a grain of salt. In the first interview, he says they are two boys on an adventure. The second he talks about needing answers and wouldn't admit his son killed anyone without proof, and now he is acting like he is convinced that his son is responsible and blaming his son's friend. No new evidence has been revealed from his Australian interview to today's interview.

I see it as AS excepting what has happened is evolving.

he is going threw grieving steps. moo

 

[Runningforthewind]

I see it as AS excepting what has happened is evolving.

he is going threw grieving steps. moo

I guess. I feel if he is going to be interviewed it should be asking for proof or evidence that his son is responsible. If he doesn't defend innocent until proven guilty for his son, then who will?

 

[missy1974]

60 Minutes Australia didn't air until after the bodies were found, and he said they got him a grief counselor, so I really do think it was mid-August. He also references help being extended to the Port Alberni families--that RCMP statement that directly referenced the Port Alberni families came after the bodies were found. I could be wrong, of course.

And he has indirectly blamed Kam before when he talked about Bryer lacking a driver's license, vehicle, and access to real guns.

All MOO

I have stepped away from this case for the last few weeks, but IIRC 60 Minutes Aus. was with him for the time (weeks) before the bodies were found, so it's possible they provided that counsellor right away. As for when the RCMP got in touch with him personally, it seems that he may have a point that they should have contacted him sooner, whether it was a week after they were declared missing/suspects or a week after they found their bodies. He may have had information that could have led to finding them sooner. JMO

 

[Zella]

I have stepped away from this case for the last few weeks, but IIRC 60 Minutes Aus. was with him for the time (weeks) before the bodies were found, so it's possible they provided that counsellor right away. As for when the RCMP got in touch with him personally, it seems that he may have a point that they should have contacted him sooner, whether it was a week after they were declared missing/suspects or a week after they found their bodies. He may have had information that could have led to finding them sooner. JMO

Yes, that's certainly true. I just don't know why they would specifically provide a grief counselor before the bodies were found. I could be wrong! I still haven't had a chance to watch the video yet. I do appreciate you posting on here about it--you were much faster than my Google Alerts for this case!

 

[1987]

he is still under the nondisclosure. he does know at least a little more than we do. there may be something on the part of video he seen that he just cant say that makes him not so set on not guilty.

 

[missy1974]

I guess. I feel if he is going to be interviewed it should be asking for proof or evidence that his son is responsible. If he doesn't defend innocent until proven guilty for his son, then who will?

It's possible that he knows something that we don't know (NDA with RCMP) and accepts that they did it, but is still putting the "blame" on Kam and not his son, Bryer.

 

[missy1974]

Yes, that's certainly true. I just don't know why they would specifically provide a grief counselor before the bodies were found. I could be wrong! I still haven't had a chance to watch the video yet. I do appreciate you posting on here about it--you were much faster than my Google Alerts for this case!

ahhhh I see where you are coming from the "grief" counsellor. It showed up on my FB timeline and came to see if it was posted here yet and was surprised it wasn't! lol I do come and check here every once in awhile to see if the RCMP has given an update yet... will probably see that on my FB before here as well!

 

[CanadianSleuther]

I take everything AS says with a grain of salt. In the first interview, he says they are two boys on an adventure. The second he talks about needing answers and wouldn't admit his son killed anyone without proof, and now he is acting like he is convinced that his son is responsible and blaming his son's friend. No new evidence has been revealed from his Australian interview to today's interview.

If anything, I feel like his change of attitude came from whatever was on the last will and testament. I don't think it was any evidence. But maybe the tone of voice, the words his son and Kam used could have been enough to convince him maybe his son wasn't so innocent.

 

[Esprite]

Yes, that's certainly true. I just don't know why they would specifically provide a grief counselor before the bodies were found. I could be wrong! I still haven't had a chance to watch the video yet. I do appreciate you posting on here about it--you were much faster than my Google Alerts for this case!

The grief counsellor would have been provided after the bodies were found, particularly after he viewed the goodbye video, but perhaps before as well.

 

[LoisLane]

@LoisLane from what I understood, the phone was disconnected some time shortly after he left PA? But was still a traceable device.

The retirement savings (the way I interpreted it) was probably just AS telling BS to put money away in an ordinary savings account.

I don’t know how much stock I put into the army thing.

The phone part confuses me. The RRSP is more for the tidbit that he spoke with Bryer two hours before his departure. I’m sure investing his pay was the last thing going on his mind.. but also could mean that he had just collected his cheque.

The army comment is interesting. If BS was easily manipulated maybe the army dream helped KM carry out his?