Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #20

[Jan424]

MO
I think it's a pretty well-known phenomenon for eye witnesses to be unreliable after a certain point...it's not a moral failing, and it's not specific to this person or this case.

Agreed

 

[srper2]

I saw this report that the Canadian Prime Minister has been receiving complaint emails regarding this investigation. Some emails apparently are saying that people are wondering if they remain potential targets for another killer still out there. Sgt. Shoihet said B.C. RCMP do not have any definitive plans for an update on the case. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/pmo-letters-schmegelsky-mcleod-search-1.5288903

 

[Pyecraft]

Something AS said in the interview which makes me cringe, that the RCMP hasn’t talked to me only a week later, why, “when I was the only one who loved my son”.
I sure hope he didn’t make these sorts of comments directly to B. If there’s a roadmap to emotionally damage one’s children through upmanship that can occur amidst parental discord, his comment is a classic example. IMO

I think this quote reversed tells much:
'when my son was the only one who loved me'.

About the only person I can think of who was still listening to AS by this time would be BS. And only because of AS constant hounding with details from his 'soon to be a best-seller' tirade, and promises of riches.

AS' sole intent since the marriage split looks to have been to badger BS into loving him.

Kids are resilient enough if allowed to adapt to new environments lock past traumas away while new friends and allies are developed. New stories get invented and act as a shield to protect the new friendships. But, AS was never going to set BS free, emotionally.

The timing of both the book release and BS sudden departure might not be simply coincidental. If BS had created something of a social life, however limited, I can him viewing any published details of his early life with an absolute horror. Former bullying would resurface, at the least.

The potential of some detail from the book changing his relationship with KM could have given BS endless anxiety, ending any of AS' commented 'hope' for BS hanging around BA any longer.

BS never had the peace to develop normality, but at worst, I can only see him as a sap; a patsy who was bent on agreeing anything for anyone in his search for a glimmer of social approval.

Together, BS and KM maybe had created a third person. This guy would be worth an interview.

 

[KR72]

DBM

 

[MistyWaters]

To be honest, Alan has contradicted himself between interviews on both the graduation and talking to Mounties. This has been bothering me for a few days now--and I need to double check but haven't had time--but I could swear he talks about both of them just graduating--which was obviously wrong because Kam had graduated the previous year--and I am also pretty sure he mentions having spoken to the Mounties in either his first or second interview in the early days of the investigation.

So, his recent interviews where he's saying Bryer dropped out and was working on a GED he was struggling to obtain and that the Mounties never spoke to him until a week after they were found dead were a real about-face (if my memory isn't playing tricks on me).

I do think Bryer dropping out is probably more accurate and I feel sorry for Alan because he's in a terrible situation, but it makes me very hesitant to believe everything Alan says without some outside verification. I really do think the man is in a state of serious grief and is perhaps not in the best shape to be doing interviews right now. It's a very sad situation all around.

MOO

I was surprised during AS’s last interview when he flat out stated “You wanna lay blame? Find out where those guns come from.”

Nobody forced B or K to shoot innocent strangers on the side of the road, regardless of the source of the guns.

I agree, AS should not be giving interviews but I’m beginning to wonder if the level of hostility and anger he exhibits is a constant, “normal” state.

I don’t think he’s ready to hear the final police report. He’s a wild card as police are not able to predict his reaction. JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

I reckon B told dad he 'had no hope' of extracting a house out of his self published memoirs, Dad absorbed the phrase into his lexicon, and now it's B with 'no hope'... That is now Alan's current narrative. Could change tomorrow if another appealing phrase pops up somewhere.

Alan , in the few live efforts I've seen of him, he has a major life long talent to run with a narrative and expand exponentially on it at the drop of a hat. It's a real skill.

Not a marketable skill, though.. I worry for the 'readers' of his memoirs.. surely the ex will take him to the cleaners, not that he has much, but he might have to pay some sum from any pension he is receiving, if a judge says it is vindictive, untrue, slanderous, libelous, take your pick.

And portions admittedly “untrue”, contradicting the entire purpose of a memoir, unless the author thinks he ought to have the right to distort his past.

“Alan Schmegelsky, the father of 18-year-old Bryer Schmegelsky, sent a book to reporters this week titled “Red Flagged,” which he says is a novelization of actual events and fictionalizes some incidents...”
Father of B.C. murder suspect pens book, details troubled life

A fleeting thought only, because portions of AS’s were “fictionalized” by him, was the ex wife able to file a civil injunction preventing the book’s publication about the same time B left town?

If so, how would’ve she known AS had written the book and intended to publish it, if B hadn’t forewarned either her or his grandmother in advance?

 

[CinNC]

In reading the posts about AS making implications about his ex, it occurs to me that she may be doing the same thing - just not publicly. So we aren't hearing or reading about it.

If I had gone through an acrimonious divorce, I certainly wouldn't be telling friends and family that my ex was a really great guy that I just didn't happen to get along with. Neither would I go online or to SM to vent my feelings; I'm just not that person. But I sure as heck wouldn't be singing his praises if I felt he had wrecked my life and wasn't caring properly for our children. Sometimes, two normal people can be like the science experiment in which two benign materials are combined to create an erupting volcano with lava pouring out.

I TOTALLY understand that kids should be insulated from ill will between parents, and I have to wonder if that is why BS went to live with his grandmother. Maybe he didn't get "sent" there but instead, chose to go there. It may have been a "safe" place, insofar as it did not have any trash-talking about his mother OR his father. I could be wrong, but I have been around long enough to see broken families and children struggling to find their way through emotionally unhealthy divorces, even when both parents were perfectly nice people outside of the marriage.

And while AS makes a point of mentioning there were "two boys", I have to surmise that KM's family is doing the same behind closed doors. It is only natural to want to protect your own kid and assume that external forces were at work to drag (or push) him into a situation unwillingly or unknowingly.

And as to AS' questions about "why?" he wasn't contacted or included - it may very simply be because he has a history of being vocal in the media and RCMP want to keep the lid on things until they're ready to present the facts. But with his history with organizational services, he may be assuming it is the same old, same old.

That said, I personally find AS to be focused and as forthcoming as he is able to be in an unimaginable situation that is shifting the very ground he stands and walks on, on a daily basis.

We are getting a pinhole view ONLY via AS and of AS. It is the very tip of the iceberg and we can only guesstimate how big the part under the water is. Its only natural to dissect every word and mannerism of AS's, as he is all we've got so the focus is on him. For each video of him, there are most certainly snippets that have been edited out because they aren't dramatic and attention-getting, and they may very well include compelling information. Certainly, one would imagine that his narrative has changed after viewing the video the two teens left behind.

I am sure that both of the teens' families are functioning in survival mode, which isn't always calm and rational.

My overall opinion is to cut AS a great deal of slack. Not to assume he is a perfect parent handling all of this perfectly, but he is being real, IMO.

Sorry if this was rambling; I was trying to cover a fair amount of ground.

All MOO only, as usual.

 

[NJSleuth91]

A fleeting thought only, because portions of AS’s were “fictionalized” by him, was the ex wife able to file a civil injunction preventing the book’s publication about the same time B left town?

SBM

No, I think most likely the self publishing company advised him to say it was "partially fictionalized" to avoid getting sued.

 

[zinny77]

In reading the posts about AS making implications about his ex, it occurs to me that she may be doing the same thing - just not publicly. So we aren't hearing or reading about it.

If I had gone through an acrimonious divorce, I certainly wouldn't be telling friends and family that my ex was a really great guy that I just didn't happen to get along with. Neither would I go online or to SM to vent my feelings; I'm just not that person. But I sure as heck wouldn't be singing his praises if I felt he had wrecked my life and wasn't caring properly for our children. Sometimes, two normal people can be like the science experiment in which two benign materials are combined to create an erupting volcano with lava pouring out.

I TOTALLY understand that kids should be insulated from ill will between parents, and I have to wonder if that is why BS went to live with his grandmother. Maybe he didn't get "sent" there but instead, chose to go there. It may have been a "safe" place, insofar as it did not have any trash-talking about his mother OR his father. I could be wrong, but I have been around long enough to see broken families and children struggling to find their way through emotionally unhealthy divorces, even when both parents were perfectly nice people outside of the marriage.

And while AS makes a point of mentioning there were "two boys", I have to surmise that KM's family is doing the same behind closed doors. It is only natural to want to protect your own kid and assume that external forces were at work to drag (or push) him into a situation unwillingly or unknowingly.

And as to AS' questions about "why?" he wasn't contacted or included - it may very simply be because he has a history of being vocal in the media and RCMP want to keep the lid on things until they're ready to present the facts. But with his history with organizational services, he may be assuming it is the same old, same old.

That said, I personally find AS to be focused and as forthcoming as he is able to be in an unimaginable situation that is shifting the very ground he stands and walks on, on a daily basis.

We are getting a pinhole view ONLY via AS and of AS. It is the very tip of the iceberg and we can only guesstimate how big the part under the water is. Its only natural to dissect every word and mannerism of AS's, as he is all we've got so the focus is on him. For each video of him, there are most certainly snippets that have been edited out because they aren't dramatic and attention-getting, and they may very well include compelling information. Certainly, one would imagine that his narrative has changed after viewing the video the two teens left behind.

I am sure that both of the teens' families are functioning in survival mode, which isn't always calm and rational.

My overall opinion is to cut AS a great deal of slack. Not to assume he is a perfect parent handling all of this perfectly, but he is being real, IMO.

Sorry if this was rambling; I was trying to cover a fair amount of ground.

All MOO only, as usual.

I totally agree. People assume that the man they see is the man that he was before. My sister passed away when I was 11 (natural causes) and my mother became the shell of who she was. Emotionally unstable, accusing people of being responsible and making no sense. For months.

And she didn't have to deal with 1/100th of what Bryer's Dad is going through. And Bryer is the one dragged in the mud compared to Kam .

A.S. reactions needs to be seen as the reaction of a grieving father. JmO

 

[MistyWaters]

SBM

No, I think most likely the self publishing company advised him to say it was "partially fictionalized" to avoid getting sued.

Then AS should know the book can’t be published as a personal memoir, involving fictitious writings involving other people. It’s illegal - it’s libel to publish admittedly false information.

What’s really disturbing to me is the timing, how AS’s promotion of his book coincided with his son’s sudden notoriety. Had B&K just went on a adventurous road trip hopeful of finding a job, nobody would’ve ever heard of AS. That a 131 page book, “a rambling, profanity-laden recollection”, would generate enough revenue to buy a house for him and B was but a pipe dream.

What’s also troubling to me is how, from the very beginning, AS has used this horrible tragedy as an opportunity to promote himself. Yet he seems unable to separate the fact his “little me” was a young person who may well have been unfairly burdened with his father’s troubles and anger involving his life, which B had absolutely no control over.

Father of B.C. murder suspect pens book, details troubled life

 

[Esprite]

With all due respect to other members of this forum, my experience working within the Canadian family shelter system, as a front line social worker, now in administration, make it difficult at times to read some of the comments posted on this forum. So, I must stress once again that any legal decisions made regarding Bryer were put in place by Family Court, which always places the well-being of the child first and foremost. The social welfare system is then bound by those decisions.

Having said this, I must stress that there is no evidence whatsoever that Bryer is estranged from his mother, either now or at any time. That he lived with his Grandmother after the age of 16 could be due to many factors including other siblings in the household, lack of money and other resources, etc.

 

[MistyWaters]

I totally agree. People assume that the man they see is the man that he was before. My sister passed away when I was 11 (natural causes) and my mother became the shell of who she was. Emotionally unstable, accusing people of being responsible and making no sense. For months.

And she didn't have to deal with 1/100th of what Bryer's Dad is going through. And Bryer is the one dragged in the mud compared to Kam .

A.S. reactions needs to be seen as the reaction of a grieving father. JmO

Let’s remember there’s other family members connected to both suspects as well. AS does not hold the copyright on grief nor is it a public expectation for family members of accused murderers to appear before the media just to prove how their lives have suddenly been torn apart and turned upside down.

 

[zinny77]

Let’s remember there’s other family members connected to both suspects as well. AS does not hold the copyright on grief nor is it a public expectation for family members of accused murderers to appear before the media just to prove how their lives have suddenly been torn apart and turned upside down.

Were did I say that? Please don't put words in my mouth. I am extremely cautious not to drag down any grieving parent.

I was just making a statement regarding AS ranting in interviews and making opposite statements. It was JMO

 

[copkid]

I saw this report that the Canadian Prime Minister has been receiving complaint emails regarding this investigation. Some emails apparently are saying that people are wondering if they remain potential targets for another killer still out there. Sgt. Shoihet said B.C. RCMP do not have any definitive plans for an update on the case. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/pmo-letters-schmegelsky-mcleod-search-1.5288903

I find it intriguing that a former RCMP Deputy Commissioner is publicly questioning many aspects surrounding the handling of this case. JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

With all due respect to other members of this forum, my experience working within the Canadian family shelter system, as a front line social worker, now in administration, make it difficult at times to read some of the comments posted on this forum. So, I must stress once again that any legal decisions made regarding Bryer were put in place by Family Court, which always places the well-being of the child first and foremost. The social welfare system is then bound by those decisions.

Having said this, I must stress that there is no evidence whatsoever that Bryer is estranged from his mother, either now or at any time. That he lived with his Grandmother after the age of 16 could be due to many factors including other siblings in the household, lack of money and other resources, etc.

My understanding is older teens are often given a say in whom they prefer to live with, as long as Family Services is able to confirm their choice of residency will be supportive to the child’s well-being.

So I agree, that B was living with his grandmother, his mother’s mother, within the same small community, I’ve notice nothing to suggest an estrangement from his mother. Considering the long-standing harassment issues, the grandmother may have stepped in as a more neutral third party. All we really know is B didn’t live with his father very long, during the summer when he was 16. But not why.

By now police will have learned the entire “other side of the story” regarding Bs background, supported through prior legal filings. While the final police report will probably contain background information, it may not be how AS sees it.

 

[MistyWaters]

Were did I say that? Please don't put words in my mouth. I am extremely cautious not to drag down any grieving parent.

I was just making a statement regarding AS ranting in interviews and making opposite statements. It was JMO

I’m sorry, I didn’t intend to put words in your mouth. I was merely adding mine to your thoughts.

 

[Schmoosh]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/pmo-letters-schmegelsky-mcleod-search-1.5288903

This just updated...

Now, "Sgt. Shoihet said B.C. RCMP do not have any definitive plans for an update on the case", even though "... on Aug. 12, police said a public update would be provided once a review, initially expected to take a few weeks, was complete."

I wonder why this "review" is taking so long. I've always believed this case was about much more than two teens leaving home and shooting people for sport. It'll be interesting to hear what they come up with (if we ever do hear anything).

Back in another month!

 

[MistyWaters]

I find it intriguing that a former RCMP Deputy Commissioner is publicly questioning many aspects surrounding the handling of this case. JMO

I wonder if he meant to say suspects’ families, rather than victims’ families?

BBM

“Generally speaking the concerns over evidence, release of information [and] so forth disappear, or certainly dissipate, after death," he said, adding RCMP are likely treading carefully in an effort to minimize harm to the victims' families.

"It could be inflammatory. It could be embarrassing. It could be nasty. We just don't know," he said, speaking of the reported videos...”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/pmo-letters-schmegelsky-mcleod-search-1.5288903

 

[NJSleuth91]

Now, "Sgt. Shoihet said B.C. RCMP do not have any definitive plans for an update on the case", even though "... on Aug. 12, police said a public update would be provided once a review, initially expected to take a few weeks, was complete."

I wonder why this "review" is taking so long. I've always believed this case was about much more than two teens leaving home and shooting people for sport. It'll be interesting to hear what they come up with (if we ever do hear anything).

It's been about 7 weeks since their bodies were found...that's still a few weeks. Bureaucracy always takes longer than planned.

 

[LoisLane]

I wonder if he meant to say suspects’ families, rather than victims’ families?

BBM

“Generally speaking the concerns over evidence, release of information [and] so forth disappear, or certainly dissipate, after death," he said, adding RCMP are likely treading carefully in an effort to minimize harm to the victims' families.

"It could be inflammatory. It could be embarrassing. It could be nasty. We just don't know," he said, speaking of the reported videos...”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/pmo-letters-schmegelsky-mcleod-search-1.5288903

I think it was an accurate statement. We don’t know motive or if there is some sort of past connection between the suspects and any of the victims (just one example). I think he is speaking generally. But it could apply to both.