Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #21

[srper2]

No, she had not seen him for 7 years after that, plus she was in the media. The RCMP sticks to credible witnesses who don't run to media as well as protect that witness' identify for their safety.

I always take reports of one side of a conversation with a grain of salt, especially when someone jumps in to pose before media to tell their "story" from years before. If the girl had been participating in, or joking about the bullying of BS, she easily could have been participating in a nasty interaction. She wouldn't, of course, have said that. We know BS was bullied.

 

[srper2]

IF, Bryer was wearing that idiotic cattle hat, that makes him look like a moving mushroom, it would take some time to work out if it was a skit or someone in real earnest. I would wrestle with it..

I, personally, would not think somebody pulling over and stalking me with a gun, in the middle of nowhere, with a partner waiting in a car and driving back towards me, to be a "skit" no matter what sort of hat they were wearing.

 

[Optics]

I wasn't suggesting they put it together. I was explaining that somebody had built the gun out of parts from multiple guns.

I'm guessing if Kam had his PAL obviously to buy the one gun at Cabelas, that he also got the other gun that was pieced together from within his family realm, as well as the ammo. Kam was in my mind the "Provider" - he provided the guns, the truck, the funds, and likely the plan. I feel he was far greater the mastermind than Bryer. In my view Bryer was his 'gopher'. I feel Kam likely used the fact Bryer came from a broken home, that he was a year younger and likely even encouraged or used Bryer to post the cr*p on social media, while keeping his cover as what we all know now - that Kam was in fact a 'wolf in sheep's clothing'

 

[sprucetip]

Hey, I'm old!

I really do wonder why they went as far as (almost) Haines Junction. There's no reason for them to be there unless they're heading to Alaska. Any theories out there about that? (that don't involve cruise ships)

Well they wanted to go somewhere remote but maybe they realized their options ran out where they were headed? Because they don’t seem to know about geography... maybe they didn’t know they were on a one-way trip to the US border. There’s a few little towns along the way but not much else.

I wonder when the Hudson Bay idea popped into their brains.

 

[Satchie]

I don’t buy that or they would have stopped after the first murders.

The murders of Chynna and Lucas were motiveless: they were killed and the killers just drove away. But the murder of Leonard Dyck wasn't like that, they didn't just drive off. Certainly, why they used such brutality on him is unknown, but it seems to me they were fairly purposeful: they wanted a vehicle that would not be linked to them, so they could get away from police (who weren't even chasing them yet).

 

[Trooper]

we don't know that Bryer was bullied. We have AS's opinion , as a man who didn't see his son for 8 years, with the source being a son saying he was, that same son that had one hell of an agenda, as EVERYONE KNOWS NOW, , and AS thinks he was bullied, by , at last count , 11 gov organisations, his ex wife, British Columbia, Canada and the world.

 

[Trooper]

The murders of Chynna and Lucas were motiveless: they were killed and the killers just drove away. But the murder of Leonard Dyck wasn't like that, they didn't just drive off. Certainly, why they used such brutality on him is unknown, but it seems to me they were fairly purposeful: they wanted a vehicle that would not be linked to them, so they could get away from police (who weren't even chasing them yet).

And that gives a lot of insight . Dyck's murder was where they graduated to , Lucas and Chynna were a sort of initiation dummy run, they had an awful lot of time and miles ( 4 days, 500 klms ) to go over every aspect of what they did wrong and what they did right.

They would have figured out what they forgot to do in the excitement and elevation of killing L and C and maybe it was over all too quickly for something they had thought about for a long time. There may have been regret that some things they wanted to do , they forgot to act out, particularly with their woman victim .

They put a lot of planning and probably some sort of practiced choreography into Prof Dycks murder. It had to succeed, it had to be of profit, and it had to be satisfying.

 

[KR72]

I'm guessing if Kam had his PAL obviously to buy the one gun at Cabelas, that he also got the other gun that was pieced together from within his family realm, as well as the ammo. Kam was in my mind the "Provider" - he provided the guns, the truck, the funds, and likely the plan. I feel he was far greater the mastermind than Bryer. In my view Bryer was his 'gopher'. I feel Kam likely used the fact Bryer came from a broken home, that he was a year younger and likely even encouraged or used Bryer to post the cr*p on social media, while keeping his cover as what we all know now - that Kam was in fact a 'wolf in sheep's clothing'

I agree with everything you've just said but Kam wasn't a year older than Bryer, only a few months difference between the two. Totally spot on post though. Their dynamic reminds me of the big bulldog from Bugs Bunny and the annoying yappy dog, "hey, Spike? Hey Spike?"

 

[sprucetip]

Other members have already posted what KM & BS modus operandi was, it would've been hard to replicate those circumstances after it was public knowledge there were killers on the loose, no one was going to sleep in their vehicles on the side of the road.
I disagree with this - they could have shot out of the vehicle window but they didn't, we could go on for pages with this. KM & BS had a method and no apparent motive.

That’s a massive generalization for a pretty remote area. Plus, we had no idea 3 days after the murders when they were traveling thru the Yukon that people sleeping in vehicles were at risk. People were still doing it. I don’t think people realize how common it is. Add on top of that the lack of communication along many sections of the Hwy and there would have 100% been people who had not heard about the murders when the two were passing thru the Yukon.

 

[Trooper]

I agree with everything you've just said but Kam wasn't a year older than Bryer, only a few months difference between the two. Totally spot on post though. Their dynamic reminds me of the big bulldog from Bugs Bunny and the annoying yappy dog, "hey, Spike? Hey Spike?"

And I think it suited Kam to be the invisible man, I remember one bloke from PA who was surprised that Kam was into Bryer so much. Bryer was his front man, and Kam was Bryer's front man. Kam plays the studious quiet type of deep thinker, and Bry plays the yipping yob, who does a fair bit of Kam's frightening for him.

 

[LoisLane]

They were really dumb. Check the summary of the videos and short lengths. They didn't even mention what date it was, when they decided to end their lives, because the river was too big and too fast.

I was wondering if they had dated their “last will and testament” but I assume not. Maybe they had no concept of the day and time.

Maybe the background in the video wasn’t verifiable either.. like weather patterns, light, etc.

 

[MistyWaters]

That’s a massive generalization for a pretty remote area. Plus, we had no idea 3 days after the murders when they were traveling thru the Yukon that people sleeping in vehicles were at risk. People were still doing it. I don’t think people realize how common it is. Add on top of that the lack of communication along many sections of the Hwy and there would have 100% been people who had not heard about the murders when the two were passing thru the Yukon.

How could’ve police known the two were murderers when they were passing through the Yukon?

ETA -
“As part of the investigation, police spoke extensively with family and friends, all of whom initially refused to believe the pair could be capable of cold-blooded violence, describing them as “good kids”.

After their abandoned vehicle was discovered, McLeod and Schmegelsky had initially been described to the public as missing persons. But on July 22, a witness approached police and suggested the two might have been involved in the murders.

“This is the first time that police learned that McLeod and Schmegelsky may be capable of the murders which conflicted with original witness statements from family and associates,” the report said....”
Canada murders: fugitives who killed three planned for more victims, say police

 

[Iwondertoo]

I can understand the witness being dazed and in shock and questioning his own understanding of what happened, then finally making a report. Often people don't think the police will believe them if they report weird experiences like this.

DBM - timing didn't make sense.

 

[KR72]

And I think it suited Kam to be the invisible man, I remember one bloke from PA who was surprised that Kam was into Bryer so much. Bryer was his front man, and Kam was Bryer's front man. Kam plays the studious quiet type of deep thinker, and Bry plays the yipping yob, who does a fair bit of Kam's frightening for him.

It seems like it really was a perfect storm brewing that these two psycho idiots happened upon each other.

 

[srper2]

we don't know that Bryer was bullied. We have AS's opinion , as a man who didn't see his son for 8 years, with the source being a son saying he was, that same son that had one hell of an agenda, as EVERYONE KNOWS NOW, , and AS thinks he was bullied, by , at last count , 11 gov organisations, his ex wife, British Columbia, Canada and the world.

We will have to agree to disagree about this . All the reports about Bryer indicate that he struggled socially and many people viewed him as weird. AS would know his son better than either of us.

 

[sprucetip]

How could’ve police known the two were murderers when they were passing through the Yukon?

I’m not saying they did.

 

[Trooper]

They gave up everything. Wine, food, life, family, the world, sexual encounters with the opposite gender ( no reports of them ever moving on from virgin status , and they were 18 and 19! ) .. They never tried caviar, they never flew over Pyramids in the moonlight, , they never moved out of BC until they were fugitives chased by the RCMP, they knew SO LITTLE of the world they had a free pass to ,a special entry , being male and white, a very lucky environment to grow up in, , an entitlement to, a place in, they rejected art, books, music, science, philosophy, (certainly geography) they never learned to cook a fabulous meal or choose a darn good vintage wine, and then share it with companions, they did NOTHING. NOthING.

They looked at this world and decided to add to it's misery!.

 

[Sillybilly]

The sixth and final video is brief and appears to have been taken unintentionally.

Total speculation on my part, but I'm not so sure the final video was taken unintentionally. We'll likely never know but I am leaning toward it being KM somehow conveying BS being killed and that would be how they knew that BS was killed first.

 

[Satchie]

And that gives a lot of insight . Dyck's murder was where they graduated to , Lucas and Chynna were a sort of initiation dummy run, they had an awful lot of time and miles ( 4 days, 500 klms ) to go over every aspect of what they did wrong and what they did right.

They would have figured out what they forgot to do in the excitement and elevation of killing L and C and maybe it was over all too quickly for something they had thought about for a long time. There may have been regret that some things they wanted to do , they forgot to act out, particularly with their woman victim .

They put a lot of planning and probably some sort of practiced choreography into Prof Dycks murder. It had to succeed, it had to be of profit, and it had to be satisfying.

I wanted to add, in the case of Leonard Dyck they didn't shoot out a window: which would have ruined the Rav as an escape vehicle. That raises the question of how they lured Dr. Dyck out of his, presumably locked, car. I don't want to speculate on his nightmare (I hope it was over quickly), but it is another difference from the first murders.

 

[Trooper]

We will have to agree to disagree about this . All the reports about Bryer indicate that he struggled socially and many people viewed him as weird. AS would know his son better than either of us.

link please to the 'all reports' . There are none. AS sees life thru the prism of him being 'bullied' even though he has had to be restrained by law over years from bullying the mother of Bryer. See the record .

One order after another, which leads one to conclude he could not learn one simple basic , that bullying was unsuccessful.

Of course he is going to say his son was bullied, he probably will say that Lucas and Chynna and Prof Dyck bullied his son, it wont be long now.