CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #6

[tarabull]

RE: Whitehorse, FWIW

RCMP not ruling out link between missing Vancouver Island teens, body found near truck, double slaying

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Two missing Port Alberni teens last seen near Dease Lake in northern B.C. were looking for work in Whitehorse or Alberta, family members say.

...Schmegelsky’s grandmother, Carol Starkey, said McLeod and Schmegelsky left Port Alberni on July 12 to find work in Whitehorse. When they arrived in Whitehorse a few days later, they decided it wasn’t what they had expected. Starkey, who was last in touch with her grandson on July 13 or 14, isn’t sure what their plans were after that.

Schmegelsky had been living with his grandmother for the last two years. “He was a great kid. I really enjoyed having him,” she said.

...(Alan) Schmegelsky said he travelled to Port Alberni from his home in Victoria every other week to visit his son. He was on his way on July 12 when he received a message from Bryer saying he and McLeod were headed to Alberta and might not have Internet access for a while.

He said he assumed the two were heading to Red Deer, where Bryer’s cousins live. He has been trying to contact him every day since.

 

[JuneBug67]

No. Standard thermal imaging is useful for warm bodied animals and vehicles with warm engines.

Decomposition produces detectable heat for a period of time, but if they are in the bush, trees also have a heat signature and would likely obscure anything happening beneath them.

 

[jmcgladr]

They were going to Yukon when they came across a blue van stopped on the side of the Alaska highway.

They were returning from Yukon via the only other highway, and wanted a new vehicle.

They left all three bodies visible to passing cars, but really thought that they had removed all identifying documents.

They didn’t remove the van with traceable license plates though. Which was super easy to track back to Lucas and Chynna.

My point is, they traveled through a ton of more populated areas on their way to the crime scenes. There would have been plenty of opportunities to find targets (thank goodness they didn’t, as far as we know). But they chose to commit all their crimes, including burning the cars, in very remote areas. The RAV 4 was burned in pretty much the most remote place you can drive to in the lower provinces. There was obviously some reason they chose this course of action.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

From the RCMP info released recently it sounds like a post off of our very own WS thread. A lot more like speculation than real information.
I don’t think LE is doing anything wrong, it’s just the reality is they are having to deal with a tremendously vast and remote area that I think most of us cannot really fathom. This reality is definitely playing to the killers’ advantage...if they’re alive.

 

[Floy1]

I expect that the door-knocking was delayed just for logistic reasons. The priority would have been to secure the boundaries (huge), document evidence, and search for the fugitives. As more help arrives, the police can expand their on-site work.

So what questions will the officers be asking?

Are you missing a vehicle, ATV, cell phone, etc?
Were you on PR 280 on July 22, or any time since then?
Did you see a RAV?
Was it travelling alone, or with another vehicle?
Was it possible that you had any stow-aways?
Did you see or pick up any hitch-hikers?
Did you meet any on-coming vehicles whose driver was unfamiliar to you?
Were your dogs barking for an unexplained reason?

What else ...?

Hi all, great forum!
I'd add a question like 'is anybody in your houshold into computer gaming ?"

 

[Moriarty]

I would be one of the last people around to criticize the RCMP...I have three cousins and an uncle who are Mounties, and as I said back on thread 2, I worked for years for a civilian agency that was once part of the RCMP and worked very closely with them...

BUT, we have every right to question how the investigation and the info released regarding it is being handled, especially given the possible safety concerns to the public.

The RCMP may claim to always get their man, but they have had a few very well-publicized failures: the Highway of Tears and MMIW come to mind right away. Only a couple of days ago they apologized for mishandling the Amber Tuccaro investigation.

I asked a work colleague about this on Friday...she was a former city police homicide detective. When I mentioned RCMP homicide investigations she just rolled her eyes.

I’m not saying the RCMP aren’t doing whatever they can and all respect to them for a very tough job. Remote Mounties have to be jack-of-all-trades not just policing but also addictions counselling, social work, communications, etc.

But they aren’t infallible.

 

[LovesPeace2]

Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs Is from assembly of chiefs sending bear clan to protect residents in gillam and fox lake

 

[dotr]

Criminal psychologist Eric Hickey spoke to Global News about what he predicts some of the outcomes of the RCMP’s manhunt for the teenage murder suspects, Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky, could be. He said that like money, food and water, the boys need social media to survive and will have to come out of hiding eventually to obtain resources and connect to social media.

 

[Floy1]

Newbie here. This is something Ive thought about the past week. When the two young men (Kam & Bryer) were missing, ie, not yet suspects, I looked at their steam accts, Bryer definitely had more links (like subscribe to pewdiepie) and Kam was an admin for the game Rust. Wondering if it's possible they had help from online 'friends'.

Hey hey, also Newbe here,

Really wondering about their online game connections. Great you checked. Think there might be some very interesting links/leads to find there. Can you share some more? Thanks and 'hi' to all posters here!

 

[Deleted member 83851]

Good morning fellow Canucks and Aussies and American cousins.

Well almost a week without a sighting. After an intense period of hunters becoming hunted, the trail is cold. I still believe the hunted are still alive. Despite what BS's father predicted---a blazingly glorious suicide mission ( and now through the knowledge of his memoir we get a glimpse into his pessimism)---his son has just...disappeared. How does he know what Bryer would do?

I've spent quite a bit of time weighing back and forth, would they just kill themselves? No, not unless it would hurt the ones they hate the most. But then again, maybe they have just taken a few steps off the road to evade capture after torching the Rav, and that, as they say, was that. A few steps into the bush, then a few more...my dread is they are never discovered and people will build conspiracy theories around them and project all sorts of fantasies onto their enigmatic images and no Justice will be seen to have been accomplished.

But maybe today will be the day.

WS member 'mtnstream' has noted that BS followed a YouTuber called "pewdiepie" and this is noteworthy for being mentioned by MSM in relation to the mass shooter in New Zealand recently. It's only a connection and who knows, probably nothing. I do think people should be aware of the dark web's existence but please stay far away, it is not a place for any of us. That is what LE is here for.

 

[Kubirai]

RE: Whitehorse, FWIW

RCMP not ruling out link between missing Vancouver Island teens, body found near truck, double slaying

After reading the comments by grandma and dad of Bryar carefully, I suggest this timeline.

July 12 ... Kam/Bryar leaves for Alberta with the intention of going to Yukon afterwards.

July 13 night or 14 morning ... Bryar talks to grandma, probably from Alberta

July 15 night or 16 morning ... Bryar texts grandma about leaving Whitehorse.

 

[jmarshmarsh]

has anyone determined whether they bought gas to drive the RAV? 2011 RAV has a 15.9 gal tank and gets 22-28 mpg, so goes about 430 m with a full tank... 430 m (692 km). of course we do not know what was in it to begin with. (wish these guys had had to pay for even one of the vehicles they burned up- nothing human or inanimate has any value to them, least of their concerns). Still think that there are people in a remote area without phone service, radios etc. that would not get "warnings" because they are not connected to news. have seen hunters air dropped in Alaska, just into the bush, so there are people in camps who do not get "news."

They’re putting it out as much as the can. It’s on all the news and all digital road signs have an alert on them.

 

[Justatheory]

Totally agree! I am not feeling too proud to be a Canadian right now.

Unfortunately, violent crimes can be and are committed anywhere and everywhere. It isn't specific to any part of Canada, or the world for that matter. These things shouldn't happen, but they do. There's no need to make this about Canada or BC. It's a tragedy, and we should all feel for the victims and their families, but it doesn't say anything about the millions of Canadians who have never broken the law, much less acted violently, during their lives.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

They didn’t remove the van with traceable license plates though. Which was super easy to track back to Lucas and Chynna.

My point is, they traveled through a ton of more populated areas on their way to the crime scenes. There would have been plenty of opportunities to find targets (thank goodness they didn’t, as far as we know). But they chose to commit all their crimes, including burning the cars, in very remote areas. The RAV 4 was burned in pretty much the most remote place you can drive to in the lower provinces. There was obviously some reason they chose this course of action.

If they aren’t found alive, I’m afraid we will never know the whys - Unless LE has found something in their homes that can explain this. I’m still on the fence about whether or not this was planned.

 

[Cdndadeh]

Also not sure if this has been discussed but the Bigfoot camper is not some cheap 3-400 pickup of kijiji (Canadian version of craigslist) these sell for 3500.00 cad and upwards even a mid 80’s model such as the one they owned. Assuming money was an issue why wouldn’t they try and unload this for cheap instead of burning it. Especially in the time between july 15-19? I’m almost sure they could have pulled into any gas station and sold it for 1000.00. People would know it was a quality camper and there would def be a market for it. Maybe they just weren’t thinking along those lines but imo they were taking some time to think things through which is why they grabbed the rav and booked it eastward.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Criminal psychologist Eric Hickey spoke to Global News about what he predicts some of the outcomes of the RCMP’s manhunt for the teenage murder suspects, Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky, could be. He said that like money, food and water, the boys need social media to survive and will have to come out of hiding eventually to obtain resources and connect to social media.

I agree - IF they’re alive.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Criminal psychologist Eric Hickey spoke to Global News about what he predicts some of the outcomes of the RCMP’s manhunt for the teenage murder suspects, Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky, could be. He said that like money, food and water, the boys need social media to survive and will have to come out of hiding eventually to obtain resources and connect to social media.

I think this guy is a little goofy to say that these kids are going to come out of the bush for social media. They are survivalist mode and don't need technology, or for that matter, money, because there are no stores in the bush.

 

[LovesPeace2]

I would be one of the last people around to criticize the RCMP...I have three cousins and an uncle who are Mounties, and as I said back on thread 2, I worked for years for a civilian agency that was once part of the RCMP and worked very closely with them...

BUT, we have every right to question how the investigation and the info released regarding it is being handled, especially given the possible safety concerns to the public.

The RCMP may claim to always get their man, but they have had a few very well-publicized failures: the Highway of Tears and MMIW come to mind right away. Only a couple of days ago they apologized for mishandling the Amber Tuccaro investigation.

I asked a work colleague about this on Friday...she was a former city police homicide detective. When I mentioned RCMP homicide investigations she just rolled her eyes.

I’m not saying the RCMP aren’t doing whatever they can and all respect to them for a very tough job. Remote Mounties have to be jack-of-all-trades not just policing but also addictions counselling, social work, communications, etc.

But they aren’t infallible.

I totally agree I have a sister and her husband are rcmp in bc I’ve got a lot of respect for le but rcmp aren’t who they once were a lot of communities set up their own le instead of rcmp I’m in surrey bc now and their doing that now. Rcmp in the pas are awful no control over the drug and theft crimes it’s gone from a beautiful place to a crime riddled town.so sad to see. Everyone I’ve talked to from the pas gillam Thompson all say the same the 2 guys left gillam and rcmp are wasting resources there just moo moo

 

[TTF14]

Hi all, great forum!
I'd add a question like 'is anybody in your houshold into computer gaming ?"

And "are you being held hostage?"

 

[Errrr]

That's what I keep coming around to as well. None of this makes sense.

What do we know about them? Why the tourists? Why the teacher? The burned vehicles with computers?

I mean, has anything been written or recorded by either of them about their motives? What is the end game? What is the message they are trying to send?!

Its driving me nuts honestly trying to put it all together.

You would think they’d been kidnapped by a raging psychopath, if it weren’t for that cool stroll through the Co-op.