Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #8

[MassGuy]

No. In Bryer's case it is a lot of other thing put together.

For him, I think it is part of his overall fantasy.

Fantasy is an important element in many crimes like this.

 

[Andreee]

I don't think the vehicle was reported stolen at that point.

But yeah, it's pretty standard to check your license **and registration**. So how come that wasn't done?

I'm wondering if this person was actual RCMP. Do they give interviews like this? Seems very unlikely.

Others say it was NOT the RCMP and I tend to agree, especially as the article states RCMP don't carry weapons, which is absolutely incorrect!

 

[MassGuy]

The RCMP may be wrong (it's happened before, and their recent history/performance is not stellar). And there may well be another murderer (s) involved, I don't know. My be is that the RCMP doesn't know either.
I do believe that they should not be convicted and pronounced guilty before being captured and put on trial.

We’re humans, we make judgements every single day.

No one is saying that these two should not be subject to a fair trial.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

I agree, camo is a very popular wardrobe choice in this country.

That being siad, he looks like he has real military gear, so he either stole it or went to an army surplus shop. Not exactly the real tree kind...

It is a known fact that he purchased goods from an Army Surplus shop in Port Alberni.

 

[Estrojane]

The RCMP may be wrong (it's happened before, and their recent history/performance is not stellar). And there may well be another murderer (s) involved, I don't know. My be is that the RCMP doesn't know either.
I do believe that they should not be convicted and pronounced guilty before being captured and put on trial.

Give us some scenarios.... why are they are torching vehicles and running/hiding?

 

[Andreee]

That's my understanding - that they cleared the area, and the suspects are not there and there is no evidence that they were there.

Being that the ClanBear said that one of the 2 skinny and tall men at the dump was wearing camouflage and that they quickly departed, I really, really thought it must be the 2 wanted men! I mean, its a pretty isolated and quiet area, and residents probably aren't wandering around the dump, considering what's going on! Perhaps it still was the 2 wanted men, and they have been able to elude LE?! This is insane!

 

[MesquiteO21]

Although the RCMP haven’t left York Landing so I’m thinking the inability to confirm the sighting is not quite the same as cleared the area.


RCMP Manitoba (@rcmpmb) on Twitter·
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After a thorough & exhaustive search, #rcmpmb has not been able to substantiate the tip in York Landing. RCMP resources will continue to be in the York Landing & Gillam areas. We thank the community for their patience & understanding & ask them to continue to be vigilant.

yeah i'm not sure i'd say K and B aren't or weren't in the area, just that RCMP themselves haven't found the evidence for it so they're not going to lie and say oh yeah they're here but we don't have em yet. Even though you don't want to take any chances when (alleged) murderous fugitives are on the run, I still think the tip had to have been deemed strong enough otherwise they wouldn't have gone to the trouble of deploying so many officers and resources. Especially when the area is difficult to get to and through. MOO

 

[gitana1]

I’m pretty sure everyone is aware of that fact.

They are entitled to a trial by a court.

We are free to judge them in the court of public opinion.

I’m under no illusion that the RCMP is chasing around two innocent men.

Yeah. I think it's logical to assume that there is substantial evidence they killed Prof. Dyck and enough for them to be solid suspects for the other murders.

The sketch could be of Kam. Hard to probably be super accurate when you're zooming down a highway and passing people at high speed.

The probability that other murderers are responsible for Chynna and Lucas is exceedingly low IMO.

 

[jillybean51]

Mine has half nude people.

Mine wear flannel pajama pants and switch to cotton pajama pants in the summer.Plaid, of course!!

 

[missy1974]

I agree, camo is a very popular wardrobe choice in this country.

That being siad, he looks like he has real military gear, so he either stole it or went to an army surplus shop. Not exactly the real tree kind...

And those of us that live near a base... even seeing someone walking in a grocery store in full out camo would not be out of place. I wouldn't even look twice... probably not even once actually.

 

[Hatfield]

So wearing camo shows a proclivity to a life of violence????

Please dont put words in my mouth. I said nothing like that. Just trying to get in their heads to see if they will stick together as they endure the elements and inclement weather. Since we learned earlier in the case about their online gaming activity, then the wearing of the camo "could be" a sign and was a sign to me only (as I stated) that that person is loving this murderous adventure. And therefore they will likely stick togther to the end. And you can feel free to disagree with that as I indicated at top it was all JMO.

I have plenty of camo myself as do many others. That has nothing to do with whether they will stick together on their murderous rampage.

 

[ldlager]

Give us some scenarios.... why are they are torching vehicles and running/hiding?

We don't know that they torched their vehicle. They may well have murdered someone, with or without others being involved. Or maybe they accidently killed someone and are running because they are scared. aybe they will be found NCR as has been discussed. I have no idea. But let's agree that folks should not be posting that they should just be shot, or fed to the bears!

 

[Cdndadeh]

It’s easy for all of us at home. There were a couple of odd things about this “tip” from get go for me.

One thing the BC leader said in an interview about his people spotting the individuals was that they were easy to spot because everyone in town was holed up and town was silent. I don’t know why town would be on lock down before finding them?.. I also don’t know why they’d even be there in first place when it would seem to me you’d want to put the majority of your resources in the area being effected which at the time was Gillam.

Something just doesn’t smell right.

 

[OperaticStatic]

Has anybody found and or posted this yet?
LF’s Bonaventure van ad when it was for sale. From an auction in Alberta bought June 2018. These pics look dead on match to the crime scene highway pics. Showing exterior and interior angles of the van.
Discussion and thoughts?

1986 CHEV BONAVENTURE VAN

 

[Andreee]

On the subject of Mantracker.

Mantracker, Terry Grant explains the difficulty the BC murder suspects face in the Canadian wilderness - ON Point with Alex Pierson - Omny.fm

Seems like LE could use Mantracker and other horsemen/women about now!

 

[cody22]

Mine wear flannel pajama pants and switch to cotton pajama pants in the summer.Plaid, of course!!

You forgot the flip-flop shoes on all the women and kids.................moo

 

[gitana1]

wow. let's just not even bother with a trial; let's just kill them outright........

No one is suggesting that. This is a discussion board. We are allowed to use our critical thinking skills and cognitive abilities to form opinions as to their probable guilt or innocence prior to trial, based on their actions that we know of and the focus on them and statements about them by the RCMP.

None of us are or will be on the jury.

 

[Xyzzia]

That has been suggested on Twitter and an Oak Bay Police officer is a bit touchy about the suggestion.

Oak Bay Police on Twitter

Mantracker is a TV show. And as such what he does is for TV viewing only. I doubt that he's any better than the Canadian military or the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and all the gear and equipment that they have.

 

[Francie Starr]

You could be correct. The road worker/paramedic that secured the Deese/Fowler scene mentioned a small wound on abdomen of Fowler. Had it been a close range encounter with a larger caliber weapon you would think the would be described differently. MOO

A couple of things: 1. Do they or do they not have a gun. 2. If so, do they still have it? 3. If they never had a gun, were the victims murdered by gunshot? 4. How did the back window of the adventurers van get blown out? Are any of the following possible answers to those questions? 1. Yes, they had that pellet gun gift from Dad, suitable for playing games in the woods, not suitable for a carrying out a murder spree. 2. If they still had any gun, why wouldn't the constabulary find some evidence in the bush - animal or bird carcass, shell casings, something and, assuming the Winnipeg Wolf Clan sighting at the dump really was the fugitives would they run away or stand their ground for more murdering. They would be in desperate need of transportation and the Clan scouts had a truck. 3. Police reports say the adventurers died by "gun violence". I don't know exactly what that means. I suppose there are several possible interpretations, including accidental firearm discharge. But whose gun or guns were involved? How about that guy who seemed to be arguing with the couple? I haven't read that he has been discounted as a suspect. Could it have been his gun? How about the couple themselves. According to the early report at Woman saw man in heated exchange with slain tourist couple Fowler had been in Canada for several months. This would have been ample time for him to acquire a properly registered rifle in Canada for adventure travel into the northlands and possible confrontation with bears, etc. and finally 4. The window in the van was reportedly blown out from within, and that is baffling but very interesting. Night. Pitch black. Couple sleeping in their van. Racket outside awakens them. Something trying to haul open the van doors! Bear! Lucas grabs his rifle and shoots blindly through the window! But it's not a bear. It's ????? someone as yet unidentified. So many questions. So many possibilities. I hope they are finally answered correctly and the families of those poor victims of such senseless violence can find peace. All my opinion, of course.

 

[esayer]

We don't know that they torched their vehicle. They may well have murdered someone, with or without others being involved. Or maybe they accidently killed someone and are running because they are scared. aybe they will be found NCR as has been discussed. I have no idea. But let's agree that folks should not be posting that they should just be shot, or fed to the bears!

Who has said that?