Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #9

[copkid]

The whole case is a complete mind &@(!

The longer this goes on the more I think there’s something very big missing! Something mind blowing...

I wish I could hit "like" 100 times for this post!

 

[Seattle1]

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Canadian authorities appear to have reached a stalemate in their search for the teenage fugitives suspected of murdering Australian Lucas Fowler and two others. #9Today
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1:08 PM - 30 Jul 2019 pst

 

[Link Haze]

Next search will be for recovery of the bodies to bring back to the parents. Just keepin' it real, as BS has mentioned suicide. Brought the suit to wear when they find him?

 

[Gina20]

I wish I could hit "like" 100 times for this post!

It could start with "t".

 

[afitzy]

if it didn't belong with Professor I would wonder if additional people had been killed and not found.

Bingo! Lots of info to be gained from the RAV4 IMO. RCMP is holding that info tight to protect their investigation. RAV4 is one the very few public data points in this case.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

So two vehicles were set alight, not just one? I was getting so confused about Len Dyck being found near a burning vehicle, yet the burning vehicle seemingly was in Gillam, MB and he was in BC.

There is not too much official info, but I'm going to assume all three victims were robbed, because none of them were found with ID. In addition, it appears that LD's camper van was stolen (later set on fire near Gillam). LD would likely have had food in his van, along with bedding etc, which the fugitives could make use of.

I don't think many people carry much cash on them these days, so they may not have got as much money as they would have liked. The $20 for gas, could have been the last of it (or they were rationing it for later) and credit card usage of the deceased would raise red flags.

Yes, two vehicles were burned. The first was Kam and Bryers truck and not too far from that was Prof. Dyck's body at a highway pull out. The RAV4 was burned later. There is a great article and timeline from the link Gardenista posted https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/first-nation-constable-stopped-homicide-suspects-1.5230779

 

[10ofRods]

I'd sure like to hear a better explanation of what the suit looked like.

I thought Bryer had the black suit at home.

And a better explanation of the boxes. No backpacks? No duffels?

When I'm on a road trip, I have stuff like food, drinks, paper towels, etc in a grocery bag for easy access.

The father said in an interview that he bought a suit to take to Yukon for job interviews. Something like that. We've also heard they were really headed to Alberta. At any rate, it would seem Bryer had a suit he was proud to take with him.

They may have had stuff in the trunk, but...I doubt they still have most of it.

The oddest part is giving any part of their real names. That supports the desire for fame theory, even if they only told that one man.

 

[BearCatSafari]

One female driver didn't stop after Chynna waived at her, but she went home and called RCMP.

Fort Nelson RCMP decided NOT to visit the couple that night.

How do you know those things? Link please?

 

[PaulaDC]

RCMP went to investigate a burnt RAV4 a few thousand km from a body, quickly identified the deceased, and prepared charges for his murder.

So we can assume the evidence includes a clear link between Leonard Dyck and the burnt RAV4.

The body and the RAV4 were in completely different areas, thus when they found the RAV4 the charge of murder was announced as the finding of the vehicle must have connected it to the murder. Moo

 

[copkid]

So true, it's so random. There are hundreds of people who sleep safely on the side of the Alaska highway every day (in summer). I've done it countless times, probably in crappier vehicles too. There are people in tents, RV's, trucks, cars, you name it. Many of us are traveling to get down south for vacation or shopping and we don't stop long enough to make it worthwhile to get a hotel room. Sleeping for a few hours in a vehicle in the summer is completely normal up here. I've had randos show up down my driveway (1.5km off the Alaska highway) who had vehicle trouble (flooding actually, just like L&C) and they just needed a spot to rest and wait. It was odd they went down a private driveway but they may have missed the sign. It's pretty chill around here.

Thank you confiming the fact that sleeping in vehicles is "pretty normal around here" and "it's pretty chill" around here. That sums it up superbly!

 

[BearCatSafari]

I've tried to cool it on all the speculation because at some point it tends to borrow from the truth and blurr the facts and theories/rumours together, but I do wonder a little if they had planned to kill more then kill themselves but either something happened to the murder weapon or they panicked and ditched it like they did the camper truck.

That would explain why they didn't kill numerous people they've come across since BC who they easily could have.

And now, without a weapon they're unable to kill themselves and unable to have LE shoot them as LE certainly wouldn't fire if they could tell the two aren't armed. Thus, leaving them without an out and pondering for days how to end this for themselves without being taken into custody as their resources dwindle down to nothing.

Just a thought.

 

[Diezelmonster]

Cheers, and thank you. Just my opinion as well, which has now been modified a bit due to your post. I concur that the white you outlined does look akin to fiberglass combustion residue. It could well be that- I'd not seen these photos before, I was going by a video that, I guess, was taken by a bystander at the scene.

One of the items on the tarp looks rather like an oil pan.

It's always been my opinion that there is no such thing as an irrelevant fact in a criminal investigation; declaring something as such too early can turn out to be dismissing something important. So, I tend to delve into details. Just a personal preference. In this case, I consider the truck quite important, because without it, there's no known (to the public) link between the suspects and the murders. The Rav 4 may be a link, but I've yet to find a LE source saying it was the professor's vehicle.

I've never seen a vehicle fire do the kind of damage seen on that truck, especially the bent cab cornerpost. However, what I have seen do damage similar to that is recovery tow trucks pulling a vehicle out of somewhere. It might well be that, like the Rav4, the initial location was back in the woods a bit, and they hauled it out. If so, the camper remains I expect to see would be there, not where the vehicle is. I also see from your photos that while the fire was apparently quite intense, there appear to be unburned brush very, very close. So, I'm very much wondering if that truck was moved before this pic was taken.

I'm going to try to post the video of the scene. I'm new here, so I may bungle this.
Errr. How did I miss that? One of the items on the tarp looks like a steel stove cover, with holes for the burner rings. It also seems burned, beyond what one would expect from normal use. That IMHO is a very strong indicator that the camper there and was burned.

Alas, I can't find a way to directly attach the video taken at the truck scene. All I can do is give the URL of the news outlet page, and say it's about the third vid down. Former classmates of northern B.C. murder suspect say he would describe killing himself, others

Sorry, I'm new here too and I apologize if I came off as rude or a jerk. I know you are absolutely entitled to your opinion. I've just read so much about conspiracies regarding this case that I just wanted to show some info that maybe hadn't been seen by all. Anyhow thanks for your post. Cheers.

 

[NokomisStation]

]Just two boxes and a suit...so no camping gear, backpacks, emergency supplies? Did Mr. Saunders not look in the boxes to make sure there was no alcohol?
I agree wholeheartedly that news reports can often be in error and frustratingly incomplete. And people's memories about actual events as well, we are all imperfect beings influenced by our (often) erroneous impressions of the world around us.
So what do we know?
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-tuesday-edition-1.5230248

If you listen to the radio interview on the CBC Radio One icon program As It Happens, Mr. Saunders recollects a suit and two boxes, which he did not inspect. He indicates that his partner remembers camping gear and maps.

 

[Kiantra]

One female driver didn't stop after Chynna waived at her, but she went home and called RCMP.

Fort Nelson RCMP decided NOT to visit the couple that night.

First I heard that Fort Nelson RCMP was called and declined to investigate. Heart wrenching

 

[Thinkzerz]

I’m still leaning towards that they didn’t kill the couple. However that they did want to be known as “missing”. Reason for burning their truck. They killed LD for his vehicle but only drove it so far. I believe there is a third person who they had meet them to carry on with their “mission” that they had planned all along. Whatever that maybe. I don’t believe they are even in the area anymore .

 

[10ofRods]

Next search will be for recovery of the bodies to bring back to the parents. Just keepin' it real, as BS has mentioned suicide. Brought the suit to wear when they find him?

Will Canada actually foot the cost for a search like that? It would be so expensive (I'd think).

If they want to be found, after they suicide off in the woods, they will need to offer up some clues as to their locale, at this point, I'd think. Could be a long wait for the family...

 

[Jealoushe]

I think we need to remember that what we know, and what the RCMP know about this situation are two very different things.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

RCMP went to investigate a burnt RAV4 a few thousand km from a body, quickly identified the deceased, and prepared charges for his murder.

So we can assume the evidence includes a clear link between Leonard Dyck and the burnt RAV4.

The authorities went to investigate a burning vehicle which was the truck/camper. Professor Dyck's body was in the area. The teens were next spotted in the RAV4. Later the RAV4 was found burning a lot farther away. I'm assuming the burning of vehicles was to minimize DNA evidence so they couldn't be linked (at least that's mo).
Also I wonder if the suit was for job interviews which was the original reason they told their families they were traveling.

 

[ladysamurai]

The father said in an interview that he bought a suit to take to Yukon for job interviews. Something like that. We've also heard they were really headed to Alberta. At any rate, it would seem Bryer had a suit he was proud to take with him.

They may have had stuff in the trunk, but...I doubt they still have most of it.

The oddest part is giving any part of their real names. That supports the desire for fame theory, even if they only told that one man.

RAV4's do not have trunks, they are hatchbacks. Unless this one was modified, seeing the contents would have been easy as opening the back hatch.

I agree the suit probably had some value to BS--if not sentimental or for reasons of making some sort of last grand gesture, it would help give the impression that these are two nice, young responsible boys. As for giving their names, it might have been reflex: if I meet someone and they give me their first name, I tend to give my first name back. If they give me their full name, I do the same. They were probably sweating bullets when their car got stuck. If the Good Samaritan hadn't come to their rescue, they might have abandoned the car and headed out across country at that point.

 

[Gina20]

How do you know those things? Link please?

It seems Chynna did try to wave for help.

What happened to tourist couple found dead on Alaska Highway?

Note also how "suspicious" death is mentioned without further explanation.