Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #9

[mtnstream]

I keep trying to go back to find things and it's crazy!
At this point I wish I would have saved everything into very well organized folders.

Heh, I know right? I've made lotsa notes (some stuff is me sleuthing probably where I shouldn't have been, but I did, for a few mins), and I know some things are not allowed here, for good reason of course.

 

[otto]

Ah-ha, some sources did report the man was standing IN the middle of the road. That puts a much more curious spin on it for me. Thanks.

The witness said that she drove by (we heard from a different witness that the time was 11:30PM), saw a man on the road (hard to be in the middle of the road if she was driving by), and one of the men had his palms up (pleading?) during the conversation between the three people. The witness kept on going because she sensed that something was wrong.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I don't think anyone thinks that they should have started hiking around looking for a house. They had options such as an offer of help from a mechanic, or getting a message to someone. They were happy where they were and did not want help.

At the time those offers came, yes. But by the time they may have realized they needed help, no one else stopped (at least not to be helpful).

 

[BearCatSafari]

It is true. In the first two days of this discussion, witnesses were interviewed and discussed here. A man and his children drove by the stranded van around 3:30PM. He asked the couple if they needed help. They did not need any help. This is not the mechanic, who also asked if they needed help.

Twenty minutes later, this same man's wife drove by and the couple were still stranded on the side of the highway. She had a car full of relatives and did not feel safe stopping on the highway because there was oncoming traffic in both directions. She contacted RCMP and notified them about the van at the side of the highway. We know that RCMP were 4 hours away, and they probably assumed that by the time they checked out the van, it would be gone.

RCMP responded to a call at 7:19AM the following morning, when they learned that there were two victims next to the van.

All links can be found in the first couple of days of this discussion - back on July 19.

I haven't found any such information.

A couple things; a woman sees a vehicle on the side of the road, a totally normal occurrence, and contacts the highest form of LE within the country?

Second; "We know that RCMP were 4 hours away, and they probably assumed that by the time they checked out the van, it would be gone."

No we don't know that. We have no idea what if anything they did assume if they were contacted at all. I feel that's cheapening their commitment to their civil duty.

In my experience LE do not take calls lightly. Be it some kids getting high in the park or someone looking like they're about to commit a serious offense. Being as the RCMP is the LE in this part of our country I'm going to reason with they would have taken it seriously and responded in person in some way. The RCMP does not assume. If these last few days have taught us nothing else.

I'm not going to be made to believe they "assumed" the issue would fix itself nor that they refused to respond to a valid call.

None of this is meant personally. I just do not believe these statements and I would appreciate links to substantiate them.

 

[Kiantra]

I honestly think it was the camo. People latched onto that.

Wearing camo on the island is not abnormal at all. There are many military surplus stores here. The real thing that stands out to me, is the pristine eyebrows and the tight and neat look.

 

[Kubirai]

Ah-ha, some sources did report the man was standing IN the middle of the road. That puts a much more curious spin on it for me. Thanks.

I have parked my car and walked to the middle of empty rural roads to ask parked drivers if needed help. Some did, others were scared by a brown man.

 

[dotr]

 

[sprucetip]

One female driver didn't stop after Chynna waived at her, but she went home and called RCMP.

Fort Nelson RCMP decided NOT to visit the couple that night.

Yeah that is interesting that she felt the need to call the RCMP. If I couldn’t stop for someone, my first thing would not be to call police. The next person will likely stop is the way it usually works. I wonder if she had a feeling something was really wrong?

And I don’t see why the police would go to a broken down vehicle, it’s so common and nothing that usually requires police assistance.

 

[1987]

At the time those offers came, yes. But by the time they may have realized they needed help, no one else stopped (at least not to be helpful).

this is what I also think.

it would be reasonable to think if flooded by gas that it would resolve I think. was too late to do anything but stay with van after enough time for it to resolve itself. come morning if they had lived they likely would have sent for a tow if someone had offered help.

as remote as they were broken down at what choice was there if they changed their mind and wanted it towed.

 

[minorone]

I keep thinking about that. What if they tried to get help after realizing flooding wasn't the issue and couldn't? So sad.

It is so sad because you can call CAA and sign up over the phone for a yearly membership, and they will come out and tow you at membership rates. Back in the days before cell phones existed, I remember breaking down coming back from Tofino. Someone gave us a lift into Port Alberni and had a tow truck drive us back to our car and tow it into where we got it repaired.

 

[mtnstream]

Yes please. Post it.

It was Jodie Benz (sp?) filling in for Charles Adler, she interviewed John L. Daly (sp?) he's an investigative journalist. The bit I heard was only a few minutes link on the main webpage, but now I can't find that. I did find this podcast, it's #4484 at 30:45 mins. I'm going to look for the original link I saw. If this is not OK for me to post, I hope the mods don't kick me out

Charles Adler Tonight

 

[otto]

At the time those offers came, yes. But by the time they may have realized they needed help, no one else stopped (at least not to be helpful).

We don't know that. There were very likely more witnesses (some who may have asked if they needed help) who chose to speak to police rather than media.

All we know is that they were well-travelled free spirits who declined any form of help.

 

[otto]

I haven't found any such information.

A couple things; a woman sees a vehicle on the side of the road, a totally normal occurrence, and contacts the highest form of LE within the country?

Second; "We know that RCMP were 4 hours away, and they probably assumed that by the time they checked out the van, it would be gone."

No we don't know that. We have no idea what if anything they did assume if they were contacted at all. I feel that's cheapening their commitment to their civil duty.

In my experience LE do not take calls lightly. Be it some kids getting high in the park or someone looking like they're about to commit a serious offense. Being as the RCMP is the LE in this part of our country I'm going to reason with they would have taken it seriously and responded in person in some way. The RCMP does not assume. If these last few days have taught us nothing else.

I'm not going to be made to believe they "assumed" the issue would fix itself nor that they refused to respond to a valid call.

None of this is meant personally. I just do not believe these statements and I would appreciate links to substantiate them.

Sure. If I use the word "probably" it's clearly an opinion, not a fact.

What facts need links?

 

[Deleted member 158085]

We don't know that. There were very likely more witnesses (some who may have asked if they needed help) who chose to speak to police rather than media.

All we know is that they were well-travelled free spirits who declined any form of help.

I think we do know that. One witness said Chynna waived for help but she (the witness) did not stop. She called the RCMP instead.

 

[CanadianMade]

Heh, I know right? I've made lotsa notes (some stuff is me sleuthing probably where I shouldn't have been, but I did, for a few mins), and I know some things are not allowed here, for good reason of course.

Yeah I have quite a few screen shots and notes from things posted on Twitter, etc. ....read through EVERY article and have watched every video I can find, whether it be a legit source or not. I am trying to take it all in and sift through, but it's so convoluted now I can't even keep up.

 

[otto]

Yeah that is interesting that she felt the need to call the RCMP. If I couldn’t stop for someone, my first thing would not be to call police. The next person will likely stop is the way it usually works. I wonder if she had a feeling something was really wrong?

And I don’t see why the police would go to a broken down vehicle, it’s so common and nothing that usually requires police assistance.

She was probably worried for them, concerned about what could happen to two people stranded in the middle of nowhere.

 

[otto]

I think we do know that. One witness said Chynna waived for help but she (the witness) did not stop. She called the RCMP instead.

Chynna waved. full stop.

 

[CanadianMade]

Wearing camo on the island is not abnormal at all. There are many military surplus stores here. The real thing that stands out to me, is the pristine eyebrows and the tight and neat look.

I'm not saying it is abnormal....I know very well what is common on Vancouver Island as I live here myself

I meant I think the media(and other people out there who are looking for some 'likes' on twitter) latched onto it and then ran with it searching out all the worst they could find on him. That is why I think we are hearing more about him than KM.

 

[Kubirai]

I was ready to make a case for the guys ...

Maybe they did just start out with tampering with a crime scene and vehicular homicide.

The guys could have explained what happened by calling or texting or leaving a note. They still can, if they are alive.

They were originally asked to contact family or friends, to let them know they are OK. They didn't. They drove 6000km.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Chynna waved. full stop.

Chynna got up out of her chair and waived.

Whether I’m on my front porch or sitting on the side of the road, I only get up to waive if I wish the person to stop. For a casual waive, I stay seated. This is what I’ve observed my entire life with people.

If the woman who couldn’t stop hadn’t thought they needed help she would not have called it in.