GUILTY Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #3

[Hazel]

Totally been saying that since the beginning Hazel. I don't think that Jessica's death was accidental whatsoever. He picked her up THE SAME DAY they ran a crime bulletin in the Northumberland News asking for anyone with information on Marie's whereabouts in the 24 hours proceeding her death to come forward. He was well aware of any investigating that was going on in that case. I don't think it was coincidental AT ALL that there were things missing from Mr. Jones garage (coat and lighter I believe) and that her body was left not far from his hunting camp. But what do I know....Purely speculation on my part.

Yep, I found that article and posted it in Jessica's thread, very coincidental, isn't it? Now we also know that he was kept informed of all new developments/investigation regarding MF's death, so in all probability RW learned about LE requesting public assistance, even before that article was published at 4:32 pm on that dreadful day.

Another coincidence:

The lighter, he said, had grease marks so thick you could probably see his fingerprints with the naked eye. He says the strange theft happened Jan. 28, the night Lloyd disappeared from her Belleville home.
RS&BBM
http://www.canada.com/news/Williams+neighbour+struggled+with+stigma+false+attack+accusations/2558062/story.html

Here is the link again to the Northumberland article, in case someone missed it, or wants to read it again.
http://northumberlandnews.com/news/article/147213

 

[Hazel]

The following link contains 3 old CBC's videos, but somehow I missed viewing the "main" video clip in that article, and haven't seen anybody commenting on it.

That video clip contains some images I haven't seen before, and also the interview with a Tweed woman, who knows one of the surviving victims. Keep in mind this is all "hearsay", but what she relates on the 03:25 mark, made me think that perhaps RW has some type of ED??

Click on the image (RW, Peter McK. and Walter N.) to play the Video "Tweed shaken by murders"):

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/02/08/f-williams-biography.html#

 

[antiquegirl]

The following link contains 3 old CBC's videos, but somehow I missed viewing the "main" video clip in that article, and haven't seen anybody commenting on it.

That video clip contains some images I haven't seen before, and also the interview with a Tweed woman, who knows one of the surviving victims. Keep in mind this is all "hearsay", but what she relates on the 03:25 mark, made me think that perhaps RW has some type of ED??

Click on the image (RW, Peter McK. and Walter N.) to play the Video "Tweed shaken by murders"):

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/02/08/f-williams-biography.html#

This is an excellent video and one I hadn't seen before either. Thank you, Hazel.

I found it informative that they showed us where poor JL's remains were found. It seems to totally discredit a previous report and posts here that she was found on a golf course.

Must have missed the part you're referring to about RW having ED. Do you mean eating disorder, or something else entirely? Sorry, it's late. TIA

 

[flipflop]

The following link contains 3 old CBC's videos, but somehow I missed viewing the "main" video clip in that article, and haven't seen anybody commenting on it.

That video clip contains some images I haven't seen before, and also the interview with a Tweed woman, who knows one of the surviving victims. Keep in mind this is all "hearsay", but what she relates on the 03:25 mark, made me think that perhaps RW has some type of ED??

Click on the image (RW, Peter McK. and Walter N.) to play the Video "Tweed shaken by murders"):

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/02/08/f-williams-biography.html#

Very informative clip, thanks for finding this! This is the first that I heard that he did not rape his victim on Sept 30, but assaulted her, previous reports said rape. Either way it would have been very traumatic for this victim. Interesting to see the tire tracks, JL's house and where her body was located. Creepy that the dog walkers dog kept going into that area on his walk.

 

[antiquegirl]

Very informative clip, thanks for finding this! This is the first that I heard that he did not rape his victim on Sept 30, but assaulted her, previous reports said rape. Either way it would have been very traumatic for this victim. Interesting to see the tire tracks, JL's house and where her body was located. Creepy that the dog walkers dog kept going into that area on his walk.

"While sexual assaults are associated with the crime of rape, it may cover assaults which would not be considered rape."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Assault


I couldn't find any media reports that mention the word "rape", except when referencing the two murder victims. The two other charges use the terms "home invasions" and "sexual assaults". Sexual assault is a more blanket term that would cover stripping the victims, the bondage, the photography, and touching (as mentioned by the interviewee in the clip).

In no way am I trying to minimize the seriousness of these charges or the trauma to the victims. Just trying to point out the difference between the two terms. As I posted previously (below), the word "rape" was replaced in 1983 within the Canadian legal system in order to cover more ground and protect victims. If any of the media did use that word, it was technically incorrect.

I have always wondered if the women in the home invasions were actually "raped". If the lady in the video is to be believed, at least one was not. Not that it lessens her suffering in the slightest, but it does give us a more precise account of what happened.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Canada - Jessica Lloyd, 27, Belleville, Ontario 01/28/2010 thread #2


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Canada - Jessica Lloyd, 27, Belleville, Ontario 01/28/2010 thread #2


JMO

 

[Wondergirl]

Totally been saying that since the beginning Hazel. I don't think that Jessica's death was accidental whatsoever. He picked her up THE SAME DAY they ran a crime bulletin in the Northumberland News asking for anyone with information on Marie's whereabouts in the 24 hours proceeding her death to come forward. He was well aware of any investigating that was going on in that case. I don't think it was coincidental AT ALL that there were things missing from Mr. Jones garage (coat and lighter I believe) and that her body was left not far from his hunting camp. But what do I know....Purely speculation on my part.

Thank-you for reminding me of this fact, regarding the publication in The Northumberland News. The online version of MC's article, was posted January 28th, but when was the hardcopy of this paper published? Prior to Thursday, January 28th? Some small papers have a lag in getting their hardcopy version uploaded online.

If RW was watching and stalking JL for a long time, as I believe he was, this release of a request to the public, for MC's case, could very well have set the evil plan in motion. Not by a sense of urgency such as worrying about being caught, but by a sick, twisted re-hashing, and enticement, set forth by thinking about his previous crime again.

I know one thing for sure. Poor JL did not have a chance.

 

[Wondergirl]

As for poor Mr. Jones, who will surely never shake the events of the past year from his mind, I don't think LE has ever told him if they found his items or not. We likely would have heard about it in the media, if they had.

I think RW was definitely setting Jones up. JL was left right on the edge of Jones' remote property, and the fact that LE was investigating Jones and his family the whole time, right up until the arrest of RW, despite the evidence not implicating him in the assaults, probably made RW confident he was invincible.

 

[pinkeyesucks]

Thank-you for reminding me of this fact, regarding the publication in The Northumberland News. The online version of MC's article, was posted January 28th, but when was the hardcopy of this paper published? Prior to Thursday, January 28th? Some small papers have a lag in getting their hardcopy version uploaded online.

If RW was watching and stalking JL for a long time, as I believe he was, this release of a request to the public, for MC's case, could very well have set the evil plan in motion. Not by a sense of urgency such as worrying about being caught, but by a sick, twisted re-hashing, and enticement, set forth by thinking about his previous crime again.

I know one thing for sure. Poor JL did not have a chance.

Not entirely sure the date of publication in hardcopy- but I do know that the Commander of CFB Trenton has aides that would keep him informed of all local news, since the position itself is partly public relations oriented. I would be willing to bet that whether it is in print or online he would have been well informed. I will look into the hard copy edition and see what I can find.

As for the items Mr. Jones said were missing, IF they were found and are connected to the case somehow they would be "evidentiary in nature", which LE have stated they will not comment on. Unless I happen to trip over Mr Jones the next time I am in Tweed I think I will be waiting a while to hear about them.

Purely speculation on my part, and my own (often warped) opinion.

 

[Wondergirl]

I have not been able to find any reference on DND sites for the two merit medals listed as awarded to RW. If you could find reference for the medals, this would lend some verifiable legitimacy for the "find".

I don't think that has been posted, and I am not really sure if anyone would want to review it, but I thought I would post a link anyway.

Master of Defence Studies Research Project
Managing an Asymmetric World – A Case for Preventive War
By Maj D.R. Williams

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/williams-mastersresearchproject.pdf

 

[Sillybilly]

I have not been able to find any reference on DND sites for the two merit medals listed as awarded to RW. If you could find reference for the medals, this would lend some verifiable legitimacy for the "find".

I don't think that has been posted, and I am not really sure if anyone would want to review it, but I thought I would post a link anyway.

Master of Defence Studies Research Project
Managing an Asymmetric World – A Case for Preventive War
By Maj D.R. Williams

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/williams-mastersresearchproject.pdf

The reference to the medals and the specific names contained in RW's cataloguing of souvenirs is believed to be nothing more than a humourous post elsewhere that we picked up on and had some fun with at the expense of Her Majesty

Thanks for posting the link to RW's research paper here. It has been discussed at length in another thread related to missing nuclear scientist, Lachlan Cranswick.

 

[Summersolstice]

Speaking of background information, I saw this and thought it should be posted:

http://www.trentonian.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2587458
http://www.trentonian.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1648838

"The farmers say they’re troubled further by JTF 2’s very nature as a commando unit, citing comments by former general and later defence minister Gordon O’Connor.

“They’re very highly trained people who are trained in anti-social skills, I would call it – they’re trained to kill people in various ways,” O’Connor told The Ottawa Citizen in 2005.”I would prefer them to be under iron-tight discipline inside a military base.”"

He should know: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_O'Connor

This is an undercurrent of what has been happening in the area of CFB Trenton.

 

[Hazel]

This is an excellent video and one I hadn't seen before either. Thank you, Hazel.

I found it informative that they showed us where poor JL's remains were found. It seems to totally discredit a previous report and posts here that she was found on a golf course.

Must have missed the part you're referring to about RW having ED. Do you mean eating disorder, or something else entirely? Sorry, it's late. TIA

No problem antiquegirl; I also thought it was an interesting video, and a good lesson about how regular dogs with no training can be so helpful. Reminded me of "Roxie" the dog in the Carlington Park (Ottawa) case posted a few pages back.

Lol, no eating disorder; just a thought I had, but then I also remembered the "hairless" description, and came up with another idea, so maybe no ED after all. Sorry, for my speaking in riddles, don't want to spell it out. I PMed you

more on Carlington Park case:
- http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/features/blotter/story.html?id=f0c57e9c-ecc3-4136-ad62-ef87aa347c60

- http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2008/05/05/ot-woman-080505.html

- http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=a78503bb-b2a9-457f-8426-822ab56b55e2

 

[dotr]

This is an excellent video and one I hadn't seen before either. Thank you, Hazel.

I found it informative that they showed us where poor JL's remains were found. It seems to totally discredit a previous report and posts here that she was found on a golf course.

Must have missed the part you're referring to about RW having ED. Do you mean eating disorder, or something else entirely? Sorry, it's late. TIA

ED ? Judging from the t.v. commercials, I believe it refers to erectile dysfunction.

 

[Macright]

I believe the medal with the red ribbon and bar is for 12 yrs. service with the bar added after 22 yrs. service. exemplary service that is. the other one could be something to do with either Camp Mirage service or flying royalty.

 

[Summersolstice]

ED ? Judging from the t.v. commercials, I believe it refers to erectile dysfunction.

Strange, but certain drugs, including one alleged to have been used by a certain golf pro, are also prescribed by some countries for their military:

http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=926

Remember the "friendly fire" incident a few years back involving American fighter pilots who killed some Canadians? "Go-nogo drugs" played a role:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/friendlyfire/gopills.html

 

[Summersolstice]

No problem antiquegirl; I also thought it was an interesting video, and a good lesson about how regular dogs with no training can be so helpful. Reminded me of "Roxie" the dog in the Carlington Park (Ottawa) case posted a few pages back.

Lol, no eating disorder; just a thought I had, but then I also remembered the "hairless" description, and came up with another idea, so maybe no ED after all. Sorry, for my speaking in riddles, don't want to spell it out. I PMed you

more on Carlington Park case:
- http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/features/blotter/story.html?id=f0c57e9c-ecc3-4136-ad62-ef87aa347c60

- http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2008/05/05/ot-woman-080505.html

- http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=a78503bb-b2a9-457f-8426-822ab56b55e2

Yes, the information on the park attacks in Ottawa was posted over in another thread: Lachlan Cranswick, I believe (or was it Jessica's?).

 

[Hazel]

Yes, the information on the park attacks in Ottawa was posted over in another thread: Lachlan Cranswick, I believe (or was it Jessica's?).

Actually, it was here on RW's thread:

Post # 28: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5130494&highlight=Col.+Williams#post5130494

and​

Post # 53: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5143968&highlight=Col.+Williams#post5143968

 

[dotr]

Associated Press 12 hours ago.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i0hAXfpeHDh4PspFql1nPJNRmMVQD9FRTRPO1

Russell Williams attended Toronto's Birchmount Collegiate High School and the prestigious Upper Canada College for his final two years of high school. Sandy Zarb, a classmate at Birchmount, remembers Williams for his failed attempts at humor around girls.

"I don't think he held the girls' attention for a long period of time," Zarb said. "He was not very interesting."

 

[ammie]

I have been reading this thread for quite some time. You guys are great! Has anyone considered RW to be involved in the CFB Trenton murder of Kathleen MacVicar? Her remains were found on base property, June 15, 2001. I can't seem to find a thread for her case here..is there one? Any input would be very much appreciated. Thanks!

 

[dotr]

Today's Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/24/canada-commander-charged-_n_587214.html
TORONTO — As Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip waved to the crowd after a 2005 visit, a tall, fit officer stood next to them. He saluted the royal couple, and flew them home to Britain.

Now that same elite Canadian pilot, Colonel Russell Williams, stands charged with the murder of two women, the sexual assault of two others and 82 break-ins, during which he often stole women's panties.

The charges have shocked a country, hurt soldiers' morale and prompted fears that the commander of Canada's most high-profile military base and the man who once flew Canadian prime ministers could be a serial killer.

"It's unprecedented. I've never ever heard of anybody, particularly at that level, being charged with something like that. It's unheard of," said retired Major Greg McQuaid, who wrote reports that got Williams promoted early. "It just doesn't equate



Actually this article is from the 23rd. sorry if already posted.