GUILTY Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #4

[Summersolstice]

UAE orders Canada to abandon Camp Mirage

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Canadian+military+ordered/3653837/story.html

Could there be more to this story than meets the eye?

 

[Summersolstice]

I ruled him out, not thinking of a wig either...good point!

In the Oakville attack, the assailant left behind a partial palm print, a black golf shirt with an unique emblem of a drake wood duck, and stained underwear, which he had worn on his head during the assaults.

ewww gross!

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/crime/article/726632--cold-case-search-resumes-for-woodland-rapist

Not just any underwear, but underwear from a particular location, which is not one seen on just any clothing label. In fact, I've never seen it on any clothing label.

 

[Summersolstice]

unless he was wearing a wig RW would not have had hair long enough for a ponytail being as he was in the military at that time.

Do the same rules apply to special forces?

 

[Summersolstice]

I agree flip ... my home has a bedroom over the garage .. no rafters in the garage, just ceiling beams that dual as the floor joists for the bedroom.

I know they just moved in in December, but gadzooks ... that garage looks cleaner and tidier than my house.

In a cold climate like Ottawa, and with the current building codes, it strikes me that the floor joists of a room over a garage should have been insulated with spray foam and covered with drywall. That is what I would expect from a detail-oriented couple who expect quality standards. The less-than-optimal way to deal with this space would be insulation batts and vapour barrier. I don't see any portion of the garage not covered by a living space above.

Even a pinhole leak in a vapour barrier where a living space is located above a garage could cause a problem with moisture. Frost gets in, melts, water drips out. Seems like a risky place to store anything, due to the potential for water damage. Seems illogical.

 

[star traveller]

In a cold climate like Ottawa, and with the current building codes, it strikes me that the floor joists of a room over a garage should have been insulated with spray foam and covered with drywall. That is what I would expect from a detail-oriented couple who expect quality standards. The less-than-optimal way to deal with this space would be insulation batts and vapour barrier. I don't see any portion of the garage not covered by a living space above.

Even a pinhole leak in a vapour barrier where a living space is located above a garage could cause a problem with moisture. Frost gets in, melts, water drips out. Seems like a risky place to store anything, due to the potential for water damage. Seems illogical.

I agree, something doesn't add up regarding that garage.

Regarding the woodland rapist; wouldn't LE have RW's DNA by now to compare? Or is this only limited to "Dangerous Offenders"?

Also, is there any indication that RW will be deemed a dangerous offender? Anything less would make a mockery of the whole dangerous offender program but for some reason I don't recall any mention of it in the media.

 

[Summersolstice]

I agree, something doesn't add up regarding that garage.

Regarding the woodland rapist; wouldn't LE have RW's DNA by now to compare? Or is this only limited to "Dangerous Offenders"?

Also, is there any indication that RW will be deemed a dangerous offender? Anything less would make a mockery of the whole dangerous offender program but for some reason I don't recall any mention of it in the media.

LE in the Woodland Rapist case said they would catch the perp if he ever left DNA behind again at the scene of a crime. Intriguingly, LE brought this case forward to the public once again in mid-November, 2009. I understand LE in some jurisdictions periodically review unsolved cases as the science of DNA and other investigative techniques is continually evolving. It can also be a matter of looking at cases with fresh eyes. However, the timing in this case is interesting nonetheless.

http://news.therecord.com/article/630578

The Tweed attacker wiped off his victims. according to news reports. I recall reading that he even placed some kind of covering on the floor under them, which he took when he left. Could explain the missing baby blanket. The Globe and Mail stated in an article already posted that JL and MFC had been sexually assaulted, and that a condom was used by the assaulter.

However, I recall from the Fifth Estate show that LE told the parents of one girl whose bedroom had been the scene of a "visit", that the perp had left his DNA all over the place. The mother of the girl said that LE told the parents to make sure that the room was thoroughly cleaned. As a result of that "visit", the girl didn't sleep in her room for months.

Going back to the scratches on Williams' floor, here's another question. How did those scratches get there? How did RW store a cache of trophies under the floor? Did he conceal them during construction, by removing and reinstalling he subfloor before the hardwood was installed? Did he simply hand them to the construction workers and say, "Here, put these under the subfloor"? Did he intend never to retrieve these items? If this is the case, why haven't all of his previous residences been investigated? Or did Williams routinely remove his own hardwood floor to look at these items?

There is a very real risk to hardwood floors in a living space above an unheated garage if the vapour barrier/insulation beneath the floor joists has been tampered with. The wood can twist and warp. Even factory-finished hardwood will not withstand frost damage for long. This is structural, rather than cosmetic. In a heated garage there's less of a risk, but power outages do happen in Canada in the winter. I don't recall seeing an insulated garage door.

Why the need to repeatedly return to his victims' homes? Did he store things there, too?

As for Dangerous Offender status, wouldn't that involve a certain number of convictions? For example, doesn't the term "serial offender" involve more than two offences? Two seems to be a critical number here. So, if a person had two murder convictions, they would not be a serial murderer. Could the "sexual assault" aspect of our legislation mean that such a person would have to be convicted of two identical sexual assaults to be considered a Dangerous Offender? I would like clarification on this issue. Sexual assault is such a large category including things such as groping.

 

[star traveller]

Could there be more to this story than meets the eye?

The whole Camp Mirage thing is kind of a joke. A secret base of which a Google search can provide the details of including satellite imagery.

Closing Mirage is obviously related to UAE's desire to get access to Canadian airports (political). But in my opinion the fact that the former commanding officer of the "secret" base is now obviously a serial rapist/killer. Canada has no choice but to leave in complete shame. The only "secret" was RW.

How would we feel if roles were reversed?

 

[star traveller]

As for Dangerous Offender status, wouldn't that involve a certain number of convictions?

As far as I know, Paul Bernardo, A Dangerous Offender, was convicted of two murders (same as what RW is facing).

 

[Summersolstice]

As far as I know, Paul Bernardo, A Dangerous Offender, was convicted of two murders (same as what RW is facing).

Speaking of PB, I recall Kitchener. Kitchener. I've seen that location in the WR thread. Not that I believe PB was responsible for those crimes.

As for Dangerous Offender and Long-Term Offender status, this is not a given:

http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/prg/cor/tls/dod-eng.aspx

Could such a thing be negotiated with a plea bargain? What of the 2006 proposals relating to "three and more"?

 

[Wondergirl]

Regarding the Dangerous Offender Status, I found this:

The legislation, as it stands, already permits a DO designation following three offences (which presumably would meet the standard for a pattern of persistent or aggressive behaviour), provided that the third conviction warrants a sentence of ten years or more. In fact, the current legislation also provides for the possibility of a DO application following a single serious personal injury or sexual offence.

http://www.ccja-acjp.ca/en/c27en.html

 

[Wondergirl]

It may be a little early to be discussing the DO designation, since we don't know what the prosecutor intends in RW's case. I am not familiar with the legal steps regarding DO designation, but, it appears to be done AFTER sentencing.

The Dangerous Offender and Long Term Offender Regime:

The provisions applicable to offenders presenting a high risk of recidivism are set out in Part XXIV of the Criminal Code. It is important to note that these rules apply at the sentencing stage on application by the prosecutor after conviction.


http://www2.parl.gc.ca/content/LOP/ResearchPublications/prb0613-e.pdf

 

[Summersolstice]

It may be a little early to be discussing the DO designation, since we don't know what the prosecutor intends in RW's case. I am not familiar with the legal steps regarding DO designation, but, it appears to be done AFTER sentencing.

The Dangerous Offender and Long Term Offender Regime:

The provisions applicable to offenders presenting a high risk of recidivism are set out in Part XXIV of the Criminal Code. It is important to note that these rules apply at the sentencing stage on application by the prosecutor after conviction.


http://www2.parl.gc.ca/content/LOP/ResearchPublications/prb0613-e.pdf

I seem to recall that plea deals are sometimes made which do not affect the outcome of guilty/not guilty, but are taken into consideration in sentencing. For example, there was a case where an offender was told he would get consideration in sentencing if he revealed the location of a body. He didn't.

As I recall, tone intent of changes proposed in 2006 to the DO legislation was to place the onus for not being declared a DO on the guilty party, in cases where three or more relevant crimes were committed. I don't know if that came into effect.

 

[Summersolstice]

I wondered if MEH parents had lived with them for awhile in Orleans, it was mentioned that she was an only child.. I recall early in the arrest that a neighbour mentioned how her Mother was a lovely person and how she would go shopping with her.. of course they just could have been visiting MEH..

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/07/27/the-colonels-wife/3/

 

[flipflop]

I agree, something doesn't add up regarding that garage.

Regarding the woodland rapist; wouldn't LE have RW's DNA by now to compare? Or is this only limited to "Dangerous Offenders"?

Also, is there any indication that RW will be deemed a dangerous offender? Anything less would make a mockery of the whole dangerous offender program but for some reason I don't recall any mention of it in the media.

I wonder if RW's lawyer is rushing this case to finish before any further DNA testing of cold cases is complete and also before the Government gets around to making changes to sentencing for serial killers.

Does anyone else recall reading in a recent article(last 2 weeks) about LE not investigating any cold cases yet in regards to RW???. If thats the case, RW's DNA would not have been tested on these cases YET. I have a feeling that his DNA is going to keep LE busy for a few years.

RW and MEH purchased the house on Edison on Dec 17, 2009 They were having construction done so I am wondering when they actually moved in?

 

[star traveller]

From what I gather, Media reports explain that PB's father has asked PB if he knew RW. The response was negative, however the father did not realize he should have asked if he knew RS (the name PB would have known him as). The father realized his error after the fact and intended to re-ask with the appropriate name. I am not aware of any reports that he has since done so.

RW and PB not only went to the same campus together but they both were in economics. Apparently this narrows the group down to about 250 people. They also both resided in Scarborough at the time.

 

[star traveller]

I wonder if RW's lawyer is rushing this case to finish before any further DNA testing of cold cases is complete and also before the Government gets around to making changes to sentencing for serial killers.

Does anyone else recall reading in a recent article(last 2 weeks) about LE not investigating any cold cases yet in regards to RW???. If thats the case, RW's DNA would not have been tested on these cases YET. I have a feeling that his DNA is going to keep LE busy for a few years.

RW and MEH purchased the house on Edison on Dec 17, 2009 They were having construction done so I am wondering when they actually moved in?

I do recall reading somewhere that LE made a statement that they were no longer investigating any other cases regarding RW.

I get the impression that the only evidence LE intended to use in the case is the evidence that RW handed over to them.

The lawyer of RW is not the only one motivated to close the file but also everyone that bungled the investigation(s).

 

[flipflop]

From what I gather, Media reports explain that PB's father has asked PB if he knew RW. The response was negative, however the father did not realize he should have asked if he knew RS (the name PB would have known him as). The father realized his error after the fact and intended to re-ask with the appropriate name. I am not aware of any reports that he has since done so.

RW and PB not only went to the same campus together but they both were in economics. Apparently this narrows the group down to about 250 people. They also both resided in Scarborough at the time.

Also RW's best friend who was interviewed stated that if RW knew PB than he would have known PB and he stated he DID NOT know PB.

When the statement "RW and PB were Pals" made headlines, did anyone else notice that no one came out of the woodwork and verified this statement, therefore I do not believe this. I feel that a journalist discovered that they went to the same school, same course in the same city and came to the conclusion that they MAY have known each other. By putting this in the headlines they were probably hoping for someone to come forward to verifty this and it did not happen, which makes me believe it is FALSE.

 

[star traveller]

Also RW's best friend who was interviewed stated that if RW knew PB than he would have known PB and he stated he DID NOT know PB.

When the statement "RW and PB were Pals" made headlines, did anyone else notice that no one came out of the woodwork and verified this statement, therefore I do not believe this. I feel that a journalist discovered that they went to the same school, same course in the same city and came to the conclusion that they MAY have known each other. By putting this in the headlines they were probably hoping for someone to come forward to verifty this and it did not happen, which makes me believe it is FALSE.

It appears that we will never know for sure. Neither one of them have any credibility. The friends statement does not bear much weight because a third party does not know all the going-ons. They could have met in their travels to and from Scarborough without the knowing of JF (the friend). Hypothetically, if they did know each-other they may have wanted to keep their relationship secret.

 

[Summersolstice]

It appears that we will never know for sure. Neither one of them have any credibility. The friends statement does not bear much weight because a third party does not know all the going-ons. They could have met in their travels to and from Scarborough without the knowing of JF (the friend). Hypothetically, if they did know each-other they may have wanted to keep their relationship secret.

Speaking of journalists, there is one who went to the same school in the same city and attended the same clubs at the same time as RW. Usually in circumstances such as this, the media will look under rocks to find anyone and everyone who ever knew the person in question. And yet, strangely, I have not seen one article with this person's name in connection with RW. And this is a prominent member of the media.

I think a lot of people are trying to distance themselves at this point, including a more recent friend of RW, TO'K.

 

[antiquegirl]

Also RW's best friend who was interviewed stated that if RW knew PB than he would have known PB and he stated he DID NOT know PB.

When the statement "RW and PB were Pals" made headlines, did anyone else notice that no one came out of the woodwork and verified this statement, therefore I do not believe this. I feel that a journalist discovered that they went to the same school, same course in the same city and came to the conclusion that they MAY have known each other. By putting this in the headlines they were probably hoping for someone to come forward to verifty this and it did not happen, which makes me believe it is FALSE.

ITA. It's hard to imagine them meeting even for a short period of time without anyone remembering. It's not as if one of them would immediately discover that they had this "interest" in common. ("Hi, there! My name is PB. I like to rape and kill. How about you? Really? Cool! Let's be secret pals!")

Even if they had a secret friendship that no one knew about, with one serving a life sentence and another about to, neither has much to lose by admitting it. In fact, if there were any way to prove it, I'd bet one or both would be eager to pin blame for some of those early crimes on the other. Statistics show that almost all organized serial killers work alone. That PB managed to hook up with KH was already an anomaly.

JMO