GUILTY Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #6

[waltzingmatilda]

Amen Wondergirl!!!!

It is awfully arrogant and determined behavior to continue the commision of a crime when the perp witnesses a wellness check by a Police officer while he is staking out the residence of his prey!

I feel reallly bad for this officer. She was alert and astute in her observations....and followed up on it. I hope she is able to overcome the misplaced guilt that she may be feeling. She did all she could do, IMO. wm

 

[satchel]

A correction, and more information, regarding the Police Officer story, The Toronto Star reported on yesterday.

Hindsight is always 20/20. I think what she did was all she could do at the time in the given situation. Enforcement needs to look at this information to improve protocol. I hope that this officer can forgive herself and move past this event. She is obviously a valuable member in our community.

 

[Sillybilly]

I don't think police are allowed to go onto private property unless they are requested to do so by the property owner, or unless an actual crime is in progress. To walk up to a door and knock on it is okay, but they just can't go snooping around.

 

[maxfactor]

I think even if the officer had called in his license number, at that point it would have been too unbelievable for them to think RW would have anything to do with Jessica's disappearance. Sadly, I really don't think it would have made any difference to the outcome.

 

[Macright]

I think even if the officer had called in his license number, at that point it would have been too unbelievable for them to think RW would have anything to do with Jessica's disappearance. Sadly, I really don't think it would have made any difference to the outcome.

I'm not laying any blame on the officer and I do feel for her but I do think that if tag # had been called in that evening some action may have taken place either that night or the next day. Whether it would have prevented the outcome of Jessica's situation is another thing because this BA****D was determined that Jessica would be his next conquest. He may have been able to talk himself out of the reason his car was parked there that night but at least Jessica may have been forwarned and been on the alert. Just my opinion but sadly we will never know. At least he will never be able to harm anyone else and I hope the only way he comes out of Kingston pen is in a body bag!!

 

[Sillybilly]

... I do think that if tag # had been called in that evening some action may have taken place either that night or the next day ...

<snip>

I don't think his tag # being called in would have changed the outcome for Jessica, but it may have resulted in him being arrested sooner. I'm sure if it had been called in, the conclusion would have been "OH $hlt ... we just ran the CO's plate and he's prolly having a clandestine affair". Mind you, had RW been able to see the officer recording his plate, this may have scared him off ... for that particular night anyway.

 

[antiquegirl]

Amen Wondergirl!!!!

It is awfully arrogant and determined behavior to continue the commision of a crime when the perp witnesses a wellness check by a Police officer while he is staking out the residence of his prey!

I feel reallly bad for this officer. She was alert and astute in her observations....and followed up on it. I hope she is able to overcome the misplaced guilt that she may be feeling. She did all she could do, IMO. wm

(BBM)

If I remember RW's confession correctly, he did admit that someone came to JL's door while he was staking out the place, but he didn't know who it was. Either he didn't get a good look, or the officer in question was in an unmarked car and/or out of uniform. I believe that Det. Smyth told RW it was a police officer and at the time I thought he was making that up as some kind of strategy.

If anyone wants to check back to that section of the interrogation, please let us know. (Unfortunately, I have a new computer and have lost all my bookmarks.)

TIA

 

[dotr]

Found this for now.
http://www.thestar.com/news/article...spotted-by-police-before-jessica-lloyd-killed
The incident involving the female OPP officer was hinted at during Williams&#8217; interrogation by police on Feb. 7. Det. Sgt. Jim Smyth told Williams that a &#8220;female police officer&#8221; drove by Lloyd&#8217;s house the night she was abducted and spotted what could have been a Pathfinder parked in the field.

Later in the interrogation, according to a transcript presented in court, Smyth asks Williams: When you were first there, before (Lloyd) came home, do you remember, did anybody come to the door at all when you were in the house?

Williams: No.

Smyth: Okay.

Williams: Now, I think somebody had come home, somebody had come to the house just before (Lloyd) did &#8217;cause I thought it was her, but then they left. I was outside at the time.

Smyth: Did you see who that person was or what kind of vehicle they were. . .

Williams: No. .

 

[antiquegirl]

Found this for now.
http://www.thestar.com/news/article...spotted-by-police-before-jessica-lloyd-killed
The incident involving the female OPP officer was hinted at during Williams’ interrogation by police on Feb. 7. Det. Sgt. Jim Smyth told Williams that a “female police officer” drove by Lloyd’s house the night she was abducted and spotted what could have been a Pathfinder parked in the field.

Later in the interrogation, according to a transcript presented in court, Smyth asks Williams: When you were first there, before (Lloyd) came home, do you remember, did anybody come to the door at all when you were in the house?

Williams: No.

Smyth: Okay.

Williams: Now, I think somebody had come home, somebody had come to the house just before (Lloyd) did ’cause I thought it was her, but then they left. I was outside at the time.

Smyth: Did you see who that person was or what kind of vehicle they were. . .

Williams: No. .

Thanks, Dotr. You beat me to it. I just searched and found the exact parts.

5220 D/SGT. SMYTH: okay um there was uh a female police officer that
actually drove by that location uh that evening

WILLIAMS: mm hmm

5225 D/SGT. SMYTH: and recalls seeing an SUV type vehicle in the field up
to the north of Jessica LLOYD’S house uh consistent
with uh a Pathfinder

WILLIAMS: okay

8180 D/SGT. SMYTH: okay alright when you were uh when you were first
there before she came home do you remember did
anybody come to the door at all when you were in the
house

8185 WILLIAMS: no

D/SGT. SMYTH: okay

WILLIAMS: now I think somebody had come home somebody had
8190 come to the house just before she did cause I thought it
was her but then they left I was outside at the time

D/SGT. SMYTH: did you see who that person was or what kind of vehicle they were

8195
WILLIAMS: no

D/SGT. SMYTH: in or anything

8200 WILLIAMS: no saw the lights and I seen it was her and then all of a
sudden they left so I don’t know what happened

D/SGT. SMYTH: okay um where were you when that first vehicle pulled
Up

8205
WILLIAMS: in the back backyard

D/SGT. SMYTH: okay so you didn’t have a view of the vehicle you could
just tell that there was a vehicle there

8210
(simultaneously talking)

WILLIAMS: I just saw lights

8215 D/SGT. SMYTH: is that fair

WILLIAMS: yeah

 

[latte]

As far as I can tell, the police arrived at Jessica's house not long after noon, she was killed at roughly 8pm that night. That's 8 HOURS.

It was clear to all that foul play had come to Jessica and the investigation began. That's at least a full 7 hours to find her. That's not long when there are no clues, but it's certainly long enough if they'd had a car rego number. Those who knew Jessica, family etc would quickly have nodded their heads against, to Jessica being familiar with the then colonel. They would have said it was highly unlikely.

He WOULD have been looked into, colonel or not. Because by now Jessica's disappearance was considered very uncharacteristic and very serious.

I can't throw that away, with an 'it was fate' attiude. Sorry, I can't. And I don't wonder the police have concluded all interviews. I think there should be an investigation, because even with my job, which doesn't include being entrusted by the people to take care of the people - I am accountable. And the police are professionals who are paid to protect.

It seems they protected themselves in this respect.

Apart from that, I think for what it's worth that the police did a very good job. The road block was great. Should be expected, but it was good and it worked. I'm grateful police are out there doing a very hard job. But my goodness, they can only do what they are told to do.

 

[Wondergirl]

Military doctor examines sex killer Russell Williams

The Canadian military is another step closer to washing its hands of convicted sex killer Russell Williams.

The former colonel, who is serving a life sentence for the brutal sex slayings of two women, went through a final medical exam last week.

A spokesman for the Canadian Forces says a military doctor visited Williams in prison Nov. 25 to perform the exam.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20101129/russell-williams-physical-exam-101129/

 

[Wondergirl]

I don't blame these poor folk at all, and I say let them grieve and let them heal.



Healing in private

By JASON MILLER THE INTELLIGENCER

Tweed residents are done talking.

The media was barred from entering an intimate Sunday service tailored toward fostering the path of healing for residents living in the community where convicted murderer Russell Williams kept a cottage.

Sunday's church service marks the second time that journalists have been banned from entering gatherings held in the Tweed area over the past month.

http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2866376

 

[Wondergirl]

As far as I can tell, the police arrived at Jessica's house not long after noon, she was killed at roughly 8pm that night. That's 8 HOURS.

It was clear to all that foul play had come to Jessica and the investigation began. That's at least a full 7 hours to find her. That's not long when there are no clues, but it's certainly long enough if they'd had a car rego number. Those who knew Jessica, family etc would quickly have nodded their heads against, to Jessica being familiar with the then colonel. They would have said it was highly unlikely.

He WOULD have been looked into, colonel or not. Because by now Jessica's disappearance was considered very uncharacteristic and very serious.

I can't throw that away, with an 'it was fate' attiude. Sorry, I can't. And I don't wonder the police have concluded all interviews. I think there should be an investigation, because even with my job, which doesn't include being entrusted by the people to take care of the people - I am accountable. And the police are professionals who are paid to protect.

It seems they protected themselves in this respect.

Apart from that, I think for what it's worth that the police did a very good job. The road block was great. Should be expected, but it was good and it worked. I'm grateful police are out there doing a very hard job. But my goodness, they can only do what they are told to do.

If the Police Officer had written down RW's License Plate:

Assuming the female police officer didn't know of Jessica being missing until she started her afternoon or evening shift on that Friday (assuming she was on an afternoon or evening shift), she would have given the plate number she wrote down from the previous night at either 4pm or 8pm (educated guess here).

So, there would have possibly been a small window of opportunity for LE to trace the plate, and go to Cozy Cove, if the Officer had been on an afternoon shift. This could have changed the outcome for Jessica Lloyd.

Logistically, there would not likely have been enough time to save poor Jessica Lloyd if the Officer was on an evening shift.

Going forward, I would like to think that LE will be mindful of writing down suspicious license plates of suspicious vehicles. In all practicality, I would presume, that they would be writing down plates all the time, if that were the case.

A thorough review of the situation will not hurt anything, and that female officer will endure the "what if" her entire life, unfortunately.

 

[Pink Panther]

She was questioned. It is in the trial thread here, somewhere, I remember posting it. It might even be in the interrogation transcription. In fact, one of the only current pictures of MEH is the detectives leading her from her home.

Really? I haven't seen anything about this. What was she questioned about? Is her interview in the transcripts? I have not seen or read anything about this woman since he got arrested...

ehem..apart from the complaint about the floor.

moo

 

[Macright]

Really? I haven't seen anything about this. What was she questioned about? Is her interview in the transcripts? I have not seen or read anything about this woman since he got arrested...

ehem..apart from the complaint about the floor.

moo

all I remember about MEH ( not to do with questioning) was a picture where she was leaving her home with the police after the arrest. I did read somwhere that she was holed up in either a downtown hotel or with friends and the police had to go back to her house with her to gather some of her things along with her purse which she had left in her car. Somehow, considering her position I think the arms of the military were protecting her at the time...I hope it wasn't done BECAUSE of her position with the Cdn Heart Assoc. because that's what they did with HIM in the early stages of this crime spree... I personally don't recall ever reading where she was questioned and I'm not sure why the police stated she wasn't if she in fact had been..

RIP little TORI STAFFORD....

 

[dotr]

Whatever his wife feels for him now, has felt for him since Williams was arrested in February, she has kept to herself. If police have ever questioned Harriman, they&#8217;ve not said so publicly.

What she has to tell may have no evidentiary value &#8212; the case was nailed on forensics and by Williams&#8217; admissions &#8212; but it might illuminate the dark recesses of a pathological mind.
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/880090--dimanno-the-enigma-of-mrs-russell-williams

 

[Wondergirl]

Really? I haven't seen anything about this. What was she questioned about? Is her interview in the transcripts? I have not seen or read anything about this woman since he got arrested...

ehem..apart from the complaint about the floor.

moo

I don't know what she was questioned about, but I would hope that it was everything under the sun. Her interview is definitely not in any transcripts, but, the fact that LE said they "ruled her out quite early" in the investigation is. Somewhere. I will dig it up for you tomorrow if I have time. (If anyone else remembers this from the trial details, can they please verify? I know that it was said specifically that she was ruled out very quickly, they may not have said specifically that she was interviewed.

 

[Wondergirl]

Really? I haven't seen anything about this. What was she questioned about? Is her interview in the transcripts? I have not seen or read anything about this woman since he got arrested...

ehem..apart from the complaint about the floor.

moo

I don't know what she was questioned about, but I would hope that it was everything under the sun. Her interview is definitely not in any transcripts, but, the fact that LE said they "ruled her out quite early" in the investigation is. Somewhere. I will dig it up for you tomorrow if I have time. (If anyone else remembers this from the trial details, can they please verify? I know that it was said specifically that she was ruled out very quickly, they may not have said specifically that she was interviewed)

Okay, here it is, Pink Panther.

I watched it on CBC The National, October 20th. I will try and watch the video tomorrow to get the verbatim (but I do believe my paraphrasing below is pretty much all was said).

I would like to think that LE did not "rule out" MEH in these crimes without interviewing her. Drawing a logical conclusion here.

My Original Post on what LE said to CBC regarding ruling MEH out:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - OPP charge Col. Williams, 82 add'l charges - PLEADS GUILTY #4

 

[Hazel]

Okay, here it is, Pink Panther.

I watched it on CBC The National, October 20th. I will try and watch the video tomorrow to get the verbatim (but I do believe my paraphrasing below is pretty much all was said).

I would like to think that LE did not "rule out" MEH in these crimes without interviewing her. Drawing a logical conclusion here.

My Original Post on what LE said to CBC regarding ruling MEH out:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - OPP charge Col. Williams, 82 add'l charges - PLEADS GUILTY #4

Found this great link with lots of CBC's "The National" VIDEOS and LINKS to CBC articles and photo gallery re RW's case.

Hopefully this will help you Wondergirl. Please keep us posted. Thanks!


http://www.cbc.ca/thenational/indepthanalysis/story/2010/03/30/national-russellwilliams.html

 

[mister happy]

RW piloted a troop flight to California the morning after he murdered Jessica. Yeah, that's almost too bizarre. But here's a sideline question: If RW was a high ranking colonel, and base commander, why would he still be flying troops around? Wouldn't this be a task for lower ranked pilots (captains?) instead of the 'big boss' commander?