GUILTY Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #6

[JayFriend]

Here is a good story on why RW's wife wants the divorce details kept from the public. I don't see that I blame her. He's been through so much with this . Anyone can see she needs a divorce and she should not be publicly subjected to all the sensitive and sordid reasons.

 

[Salem]

Here is a good story on why RW's wife wants the divorce details kept from the public. I don't see that I blame her. He's been through so much with this . Anyone can see she needs a divorce and she should not be publicly subjected to all the sensitive and sordid reasons.

Let's stop the discussion of the divorce now, please. If something comes out in the divorce that directly relates to this case, that can be discussed. Otherwise, we are just basically re-victimizing a woman that has had her whole life destroyed, kwim?

Thanks!

Salem

 

[Macright]

Let's stop the discussion of the divorce now, please. If something comes out in the divorce that directly relates to this case, that can be discussed. Otherwise, we are just basically re-victimizing a woman that has had her whole life destroyed, kwim?

Thanks!

Salem

I agree but the civil case is another matter.

 

[Wondergirl]

Dateline to profile sex killer Russell Williams

Ottawa Citizen February 17, 2011 12:03 PM

OTTAWA — Convicted murderer and rapist Russell Williams will be profiled on NBC’s Dateline in a two-hour episode Friday night.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Dateline+profile+killer+Russell+Williams/4302411/story.html

Dateline will be seen at 9 p.m.

For a preview go to

www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/3032600/VP/41605892#41605892

Dateline NBC: News stories about crime, celebrity and health- msnbc.com

 

[Wondergirl]

Russell Williams’s double life

EXCLUSIVE: New documents reveal just how seamlessly he could transform from standout officer to serial murderer

Internal documents from the Department of National Defence, obtained by Maclean’s under the Access to Information Act, provide chilling new glimpses of a killer in commander’s clothing—including the fact that he checked his inbox while holding Lloyd captive. The documents, which include dozens of Williams’s own emails, reveal just how seamlessly he could transform from standout officer to serial murderer.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/02/15/devil-in-the-details/

 

[WellDone]

I am so glad to see you guys know about the upcoming Dateline story on this. I just found out about this story... & dateline & was going to post it ..... It's truely unbelieveable!!! What a sick, twisted, dangerous man!!!!

 

[dotr]

Thanks for that Wondergirl,should be good! I guess that book will be published soon too.

 

[Wondergirl]

Russell Williams Confession Video: Part 1​

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzh3adTWZOg&feature=player_embedded

Russell Williams Confession Video: Part 2​

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah51vPzcVEM&feature=player_embedded

Russell Williams Confession Video: Part 3​

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mQA2yQFZ8o&feature=player_embedded


Redacted Transcript of Russell Williams Video Confession (128 of 309 Pages) to Det.-Sgt.Jim Smyth OPP Behavioral Science Division

Link Here


Agreed Statement of Facts:
Warning Graphic Content

Day 1 (*Note: Original CBC version is now gone. Toronto Star Version here)

Day 2


Evidence Photo: Crime Map of Jessica Lloyd’s House:

Link Here


Evidence Photos: Boots, Tires, SUV

Link Here


Evidence Photos: Russell Williams, Lingerie; WARNING: Graphic Content

Link Here


Evidence Photos: Russell Williams Letters to Victims, Wife

Link Here


Williams Charge Sheet:

Link Here


Photos of Williams wife here, Mary Liz, which are screenshots from the Fifth Estate Documentary, Above Suspicion.

Link Here


Fifth Estate TV Show

Above Suspicion

Link Here

Quoting myself (sorry) to show the links for anyone who has just heard of the case, because of the Dateline program. The confession videos are a must watch.

 

[Macright]

Just saw this for datline tonight...thanks for the heads up..

 

[Hazel]

Just saw this for datline tonight...thanks for the heads up..

AWwww I missed that Dateline program! Haven't been on this thread for quite a while now, and last night I watched CBC's the Fifth Estate... "The Devil You Know" - "Hate the Crime, Love the Con"

No matter how bad the crime, it seems there are always women who stand by their man.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2010-2011/thedevilyouknow/

P.S.1: Thanks Wondergirl for the links, do you happen to have the Dateline link as well?

P.S.2: Found this Dateliine link, shows the Preview, I guess the full episode it is still not available online?

www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/3032600/VP/41605892#41605892 Dateline NBC

 

[Hazel]

DATELINE's Commander by day; sexual killer by night


better link than embeded video --> Direct link to Dateline's page ------> www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/vp/41673072#41673072 <-------

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/vp/41673072#41673072

 

[Francine]

AWwww I missed that Dateline program! Haven't been on this thread for quite a while now, and last night I watched CBC's the Fifth Estate... "The Devil You Know" - "Hate the Crime, Love the Con"

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2010-2011/thedevilyouknow/

P.S.1: Thanks Wondergirl for the links, do you happen to have the Dateline link as well?

P.S.2: Found this Dateliine link, shows the Preview, I guess the full episode it is still not available online?

www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/3032600/VP/41605892#41605892 Dateline NBC

I caught the last 3/4's of the show, and it really didn't show anything new, except an interview with the parents of the young girl whose underwear had been stolen and in whose bedroom Williams had left sperm. They explained how traumatic this had been for their entire family and how upset they were to realize now that they had been in such a potentially lethal position.

 

[Francine]

Here is an interesting article on the "brilliant" interrogation that apparently broke RW and the Crown's tactics.

http://www.canadianlawyermag.com/behind-the-scenes.html

from link above

Among the evidence tendered was part of the 10.5-hour-long interrogation video of Williams, in which he confesses. Don Stuart, a professor at Queen&#8217;s University&#8217;s law school in Kingston, Ont., and a leading authority on criminal law and procedure, believes that was a public relations exercise. &#8220;In some respect, that was also completely irrelevant and that could have been preserved without showing it,&#8221; says Stuart. &#8220;People sit back and say that was a brilliant interrogation, not really. They had the evidence already to inculpate him, so they got some rapport with him and tried to find out where his weak spot was and then confronted him with the incriminating evidence and he coughed it all up.&#8221;

Stuart notes there was no lying or deception on the part of the police interrogator. &#8220;Under the rules of interrogation that we&#8217;ve got set up by the Supreme Court, police are encouraged to lie and talk about non-existing evidence and there&#8217;s no right to counsel present or to be considered,&#8221; he says. &#8220;Many of us are saying that the Charter of Rights and judicial controls on police interrogation are woefully weak in Canada so in that respect it was a PR job because it sort of depicted that all police interrogations are as civilized as that, they&#8217;re not.&#8221;

Interesting take on Jim Smyth's excellent interrogation of Williams (although I'm sure Smyth would humbly say that he "was just doing his job").

I think the implication here by Stuart is that if the detectives are confident that they have enough evidence that they can convict without having to lie or mislead during an interrogation then they will play "good cop" to get a confession. If they aren't confident enough, and don't think they will get a confession, then they will resort to deceptive tactics if need be. Interesting that our laws here in Canada allow that.

 

[JayFriend]

Here is an interesting article on interrogation techniques, including this one:
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news...+interrogators+sniff+liars/4312896/story.html

I also watched the NBC program and thought it was well done, particularly the time line and the geography of where the various incidents took place. While that was supposed to clue in American viewers, I bet it enlightened a lot of Canadians too.

I notice they brought up where the police officer spotted Williams' SUV in a field and investigated. The way it was presented was that the officer went above and beyond what was necessary to check it out, but of course, in hindsight, if she had investigated further, a crime in progress may have been interrupted. It's a tough call.

 

[Francine]

Here is an interesting article on interrogation techniques, including this one:
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news...+interrogators+sniff+liars/4312896/story.html

I also watched the NBC program and thought it was well done, particularly the time line and the geography of where the various incidents took place. While that was supposed to clue in American viewers, I bet it enlightened a lot of Canadians too.

I notice they brought up where the police officer spotted Williams' SUV in a field and investigated. The way it was presented was that the officer went above and beyond what was necessary to check it out, but of course, in hindsight, if she had investigated further, a crime in progress may have been interrupted. It's a tough call.

Yes, it was very well done. I did not know Andy Lloyd had been the first to see the footprints and tire treads in the snow.

I am willing to give up some of my rights to privacy if police can change their protocol to run suspicious license plates and vehicle make/models directly from their patrol cars in order to catch predators on the loose.

 

[Francine]

Have there been any statements made from Russell Williams' parents at all? They seem very quiet about all this. I know his brother made a statement in the midst of all this.

I hope that we can continue to discuss the civil case against Williams and his soon to be ex-wife.

 

[dotr]

Perhaps when dealing with (what I imagine to be ) a typical run of the mill sleazebag criminal, a rough and "unsportsman" type of interrogation, might well be the most effective method...
However, a sophisticated, intelligent,educated and a highly trained leader of the country's largest army airbase, surely would respond best to a velvet-glove
style of interrogation, delivered by an equally intelligent officer, regardless of the evidence.

 

[matou]

I was very surprised when William's best friend said he still loves him but does not love what he did. That was a big 'wow' moment for me.

 

[Wondergirl]

From the 2 Hour Dateline NBC show,Conduct Unbecoming, the most poignant clips were in the final Part 12. There are a couple of web only video interviews with AMC and JF also, on the left side at the link below.

Quotes from Part 12:

From 1st Murder Victim Marie-France Comeaus' former boyfriend:

She tried to tell him, "I am a good person, let me live". He didn't listen.

Last words from 2nd Murder Victim Jessica Lloyd:

"If I die, will you make sure that my Mom knows that I love her?"

From Break-In Victim AMC:

"I feel if it comes out, it might just be a scream, a scream that goes on forever."

From Jeff F., Williams best friend since school:

He hasn't been in touch with Williams since the crimes, but intends to visit him in prison.

"Russ is still a friend of mine. I hate the crimes, but, I don't hate Russ."

From Det.-Sgt. Jim Smyth:

"Let me ask you this, did you like or dislike these women?"

Williams Response:

" I didn't know any of them."

&#12288;
From Conduct Unbecoming, Datline NBC, Part 12
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/vp/41673072#/41674724


AMC's 2 minute Web Exclusive Video should have been in the main show in it's entirety, IMO:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/vp/41673072#/41670490

 

[Hazel]

I was very surprised when William's best friend said he still loves him but does not love what he did. That was a big 'wow' moment for me.

Oh matou, I almost fell off my chair when I heard Williams' best friend say that!!!!

Like I posted above, I missed the Dateline show last night (watched it this morning online), because I was watching the Fifth Estate instead, and guess what was the title of that documentary?!?!?!?!

The Devil You Know Hate the crime, love the con


http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2010-2011/thedevilyouknow/

BTW, does the Dateline show ended after the stainless steel fridge story? or is there another segment after that?