GUILTY Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #6

[Hazel]

That just reeks of greed. Does it mean that someone (actually their lawyer) would tailor the sum they are suing for to what's available in the kitty? I thought an injured party would sue for an amount that would fairly compensate them for their injuries, not as much as they could get if more was available.

Absolutely that is NOT what that means. That is a wrong interpretation of what the girl is saying. Perhaps if you listen at the whole video clip, and read all the news articles, you could get a better understanding of what the media lawyers are saying.

There is not an open discussion regarding this matter going on here at WS, we are merely posting a few links so we are informed and up-to-date with the latest developments. There are a few more articles available online.

Reason we are not discussing is because we are not allowed to make comments or post our opinions; otherwise, I would be happy to explain it to you in my own words, which probably will confuse you even more, since as I already mentioned a few times, English is not my first language.
However, even though English is not my first language, I DO understand perfectly well what the lawyers are saying

ETA: there are good debates going on somewhere else, if you just Google a bit, you might get lucky.

 

[JayFriend]

ETA: there are good debates going on somewhere else, if you just Google a bit, you might get lucky.

There's a vast amount out there, but would it be against the rules to post some links to those discussions? At least that would discourage inappropriate inquiries and posts HERE.

 

[Macright]

I saw a blip on 48 Hrs. Mystery this past Sat. evening which said that in two weeks time (April 9th) they will be covering the Russell Williams story. I will check the site to see if they have it listed and get back to you all.

 

[Macright]

Here is the preview of the April 9th show...

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/...rlyShowBooks+(CBS+News:+The+Early+Show:+Books)

 

[Sillybilly]

That just reeks of greed. Does it mean that someone (actually their lawyer) would tailor the sum they are suing for to what's available in the kitty? I thought an injured party would sue for an amount that would fairly compensate them for their injuries, not as much as they could get if more was available.

I could be wrong (and i'm sure Les Mods will let me know if i am ) ... but i believe we can discuss the principle, just not the specific individual. With that in mind ...

I don't think it's about greed, but more about fairness and transparency. A current victim could be awarded all that is available to them (which could include fair compensation for personal injury + unspecified aggravated and punitive damages). While the public may become aware of the amount of the award, without full public disclosure of the financial situation, there would be no information as to whether that award is the sum total of all assets of the defendant. That scenario has the potential to leave victims who may wish to pursue civil action in the future with no knowledge of whether there is anything available to them to make a claim against (i.e. they could launch a civil suit for personal injury, only to find out that they have incurred legal fees and disbursements with nothing to offset it down the road, other than a judgment that can never be fulfilled).

JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

In today's Globe & Mail:

Sex killer Russell Williams had child , but no charges laid ...

Police found child on Russell Williams’s computer, but prosecutors didn’t lay charges because that would have been a deal-breaker in persuading him to plead guilty, says a new book about the sex predator who terrorized rural Eastern Ontario until his 2010 arrest. Mr. Williams could own up to being a burglar, a lingerie thief, a murderer, a rapist and a cross-dressing fetishist – but possession of child was too loathsome for him to acknowledge, says the book, A New Kind of Monster, by Globe and Mail crime reporter Timothy Appleby ...

full article:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...hild-🤬🤬🤬🤬-but-no-charges-laid/article1961444/

 

[star traveller]

From this article Re.: Child on computer: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...hild-🤬🤬🤬🤬-but-no-charges-laid/article1961444/

Quote: "prosecutors didn’t lay charges because that would have been a deal-breaker in persuading him to plead guilty"

It is now apparent that:
1. RW is guilty of crimes other than those he has been convicted of.
2. Prosecutors were motivated to make a deal with him and did indeed make a deal with him.
3. At least one of these crimes has been withheld from public.

 

[JayFriend]

It is now apparent that:
1. RW is guilty of crimes other than those he has been convicted of.
2. Prosecutors were motivated to make a deal with him and did indeed make a deal with him.
3. At least one of these crimes has been withheld from public.

Is that a true fact, or the writer's opinion? While adding child charges probably wouldn't lengthen Williams' sentence, it would go a long way towards making him a dangerous sex offender to be locked up in a institution for his whole life, not just the customary dozen or two years. Does a "deal" have any value? Police are allowed to lie to trap a suspect into making a confession. Are lawyers held to a higher standard?

 

[maxfactor]

In today's Globe & Mail:




full article:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...hild-🤬🤬🤬🤬-but-no-charges-laid/article1961444/

Hi SB!!!!! This article makes me wonder more about past discussions about the WR. I guess most of us here aren't surprised at all by today's developments.

 

[maxfactor]

The book suggests that Williams could justify murder, and even rape, as acceptable actions that take place within the realm of the military or in time of war. But the sexual abuse of children, the source told Appleby, was considered unacceptable and shameful under any circumstances.

In the book, Appleby argues that Williams' refusal to acknowledge possessing the child is evidence that he knew right from wrong.

http://news.sympatico.ctv.ca/home/child_porn_on_russell_williams_computer_book_reveals/66525c30

 

[Sillybilly]

Is that a true fact, or the writer's opinion? While adding child charges probably wouldn't lengthen Williams' sentence, it would go a long way towards making him a dangerous sex offender to be locked up in a institution for his whole life, not just the customary dozen or two years. Does a "deal" have any value? Police are allowed to lie to trap a suspect into making a confession. Are lawyers held to a higher standard?

I interpret the bolded part of star's post to be star's logic .. which IMO are valid conclusions based on the writer's assertions. If you are enquiring as to whether the writer's assertions are credible, or simply theories pulled out of, uh, thin air, i'd strongly bet it is a credible fact.

The Crown did not make a DO application, and because RW has been sentenced to life w/o parole for 25 years, the only reviews in the future would be before the parole board, after completion of his sentence. Presumably the NPB would have access to the info re the plea deal.

JMO

 

[latte]

The Crown did not make a DO application, and because RW has been sentenced to life w/o parole for 25 years, the only reviews in the future would be before the parole board, after completion of his sentence. Presumably the NPB would have access to the info re the plea deal.

 

[latte]

QUOTE - Sillybilly :

"The Crown did not make a DO application, and because RW has been sentenced to life w/o parole for 25 years, the only reviews in the future would be before the parole board, after completion of his sentence. Presumably the NPB would have access to the info re the plea deal."
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Though the fact there was a plea bargain would be on record, the details of the actual plea bargain would be unlikely to be brought up in a p/hearing as that information was not proven at trial so is not evidence.

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QUOTE - Silybilly :

"I interpret the bolded part of star's post to be star's logic .. which IMO are valid conclusions based on the writer's assertions. If you are enquiring as to whether the writer's assertions are credible, or simply theories pulled out of, uh, thin air, i'd strongly bet it is a credible fact."
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I agree.

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(Sorry, my Quoting is up the creek without a paddle)

 

[Macright]

From this article Re.: Child on computer: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...hild-🤬🤬🤬🤬-but-no-charges-laid/article1961444/

Quote: "prosecutors didn’t lay charges because that would have been a deal-breaker in persuading him to plead guilty"

It is now apparent that:
1. RW is guilty of crimes other than those he has been convicted of.
2. Prosecutors were motivated to make a deal with him and did indeed make a deal with him.
3. At least one of these crimes has been withheld from public.

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse, I read this, although I kind of figured it went with his list of crimes. How depraved is he and to think no one noticed anything through the years. Somehow I doubt that...

 

[dotr]

Luckily, he is not anyone's Uncle,because that could cause a huge family rift..

 

[Sillybilly]

Though the fact there was a plea bargain would be on record, the details of the actual plea bargain would be unlikely to be brought up in a p/hearing as that information was not proven at trial so is not evidence

<rsbm>

Parole Board reviews are not limited to trial evidence. If the plea deal is on record without specifics, the Board will enquire.

 

[dotr]

Aaron Lacey, 38, was arrested at his Hawthorne Drive home Wednesday morning and charged with five counts of personating a Canadian military officer, criminal harassment and 10 counts of breach of recognizance, according to police.
http://www.thespec.com/news/crime/article/509684--beamsville-man-charged-with-military-impersonation

 

[dotr]

Previously posted.
http://www.globaltoronto.com/Toront...+cold+cases+victim+brother/2546282/story.html
Toronto police looking at Williams in two cold cases: victim's brother

I posted this newer link in Unsolved Toronto crimes
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63274&page=6
http://www.mytowncrier.ca/still-waiting-for-cold-case-answers.html
Still waiting for cold case answers
'Somebody out there knows who committed those murders'
Tags: Crime, Murder, Cold Case, Erin Gilmour, Susan Tice
By Joshua Freeman
March 24, 2011

Neighbourhoods: Yorkville

STILL OPEN: While it's been 27 years since Erin Gilmour and Susan Tice were murdered police are still searching for their killer.Sean McCowan still remembers the December evening almost three decades ago when his sister died.

It was five days before Christmas, a year and a half after Erin Gilmour had moved from home on Oriole Parkway to a Yorkville apartment.

The Bishop Strachan School graduate had studied fashion at Ryerson and was taking her first steps towards a career in that field, working in a nearby boutique.

 

[Sillybilly]

In the Gilmour and Tice cases, they have DNA to compare to Williams. Surely that has been done by now and they've been able to rule him in or out?

Let's hope part of that pedo plea deal didn't also include that the crown forego any future murder charges against him. All those panty thefts, but only 2 murders, makes him a serial offender, but not necessarily a serial killer. For a guy who is so concerned about being portrayed as a pedophile? While "serial offender" tarnishes the image, maybe "serial killer" sounds even more abominable to him.

We have an offender who committed some of the most heinous, vile, disgusting acts, yet it is interesting that there is a degree of depravity he chooses not to wear.

JMO

 

[dotr]

Yes, I was thinking that if they already had DNA from both Gilmour and Tice and no doubt from RW as well , why (as per above link) RW would be considered as potential perp in that cold case.
Then I was reminded of RW's hapless neighbour,Mr J. and his missing gloves and lighter...
It occured to me, that some young male students (for example) are not known for fastidious dorm living habits...