Canada - Rosemarie 'Kim' Junor, 28, stabbed to death, Toronto, 11 Dec 2015

[bluesneakers]

Sadly I wonder if "I felt the need to be extreme to see if it would work" meant the stabbing was a cry for help, for her family to take her back and get her grounded and perhaps working in some ordinary job?

I wonder why she held on to the delusion of having/chasing a financial sector job for 10 years? I mean, why not give up on that, move on, take a job as an admin assistant somewhere and work your way up to something?

Somebody put a lot of money into her education. Perhaps her parents expected her to make it big and wouldn't accept anything else and this strange situation ensued?

I don't think RB was crazy enough to not understand the difference between right and wrong, and I think this was all a very sad cry for help.

I think it was likely due to compulsions or an impulse, like she had the encompassing need to try something extreme to see what would happen. But get away with it, quiet the voices (if she had them) or release her from the obsession, I don't know.

IMO she held on to her old self because that's who she was. People with mental illnesses often struggle a great deal with identity and letting go of who they once were and that's with professional help. Did she have any?

If she is ill with either bipolar or schizophrenia (or other) there is likely nothing her parents could have done or not done to make her sick or prevent her from becoming sick.

Have you ever heard of stabbing and murdering someone as a cry for help? Just curious.

I think one woman is very ill and another woman is dead.

Sad, awful, tragic, cruel, heartbreaking.. I've run out of words.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I'm just saying mentally ill, yes, insane, no. RB will go to prison.

 

[bluesneakers]

I'm just saying mentally ill, yes, insane, no. RB will go to prison.

But insanity isn't a diagnosis.

I think there's a good chance she'll be found not criminally responsible somewhere along the way, but I'm not sure how it might affect her sentencing.

 

[SnooperDuper]

But insanity isn't a diagnosis.

I think there's a good chance she'll be found not criminally responsible somewhere along the way, but I'm not sure how it might affect her sentencing.

I don't think so, because in order to be found not criminally responsible she would have had to have been in a state where she did not right from wrong.

She wrote the newspaper saying "I felt the need to be more extreme"...she knew right and wrong. She knew what she was doing was "extreme".

She may have been in quite a depression, like Guy Turcotte, but she was still in control of her actions. She could have chosen to not have done this.

GT was found guilty of second degree murder recently: I doubt RB will fare any better.

 

[bluesneakers]

I don't think so, because in order to be found not criminally responsible she would have had to have been in a state where she did not right from wrong.

She wrote the newspaper saying "I felt the need to be more extreme"...she knew right and wrong. She knew what she was doing was "extreme".

She may have been in quite a depression, like Guy Turcotte, but she was still in control of her actions. She could have chosen to not have done this.

GT was found guilty of second degree murder recently: I doubt RB will fare any better.

I don't know but

"Do you know any top professionals in artificial intelligence, biotechnology, nanotechnology, satellites?” it said. “Maybe Military. Maybe Government?

“Something has been happening to me and this is not my normal self and I would like to know who and why this is happening. There is either a single person or more responsible and who and why would be nice to know."

doesn't sound like someone who is in control of her faculties enough to appreciate the enormity of her actions.

From what we know right now... I hope she gets the help she needs, and I don't think locking her up in a prison is what's best for anyone. She might have known what she was doing was wrong (if that's what you think she meant by extreme), but I don't think she was in control of her actions, nor did she fully understand what the consequences would be. JMO.

I don't know, obviously, if it's the case here, but sometimes people with untreated mental illnesses can't choose whether or not to do something. Wouldn't that be nice - if one could choose which symptoms to have maybe one could choose to not have a mental illness at all.

JMO. It will be interesting to see what happens next.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I don't know but


doesn't sound like someone who is in control of her faculties enough to appreciate the enormity of her actions.

From what we know right now... I hope she gets the help she needs, and I don't think locking her up in a prison is what's best for anyone. She might have known what she was doing was wrong (if that's what you think she meant by extreme), but I don't think she was in control of her actions, nor did she fully understand what the consequences would be. JMO.

I don't know, obviously, if it's the case here, but sometimes people with untreated mental illnesses can't choose whether or not to do something. Wouldn't that be nice - if one could choose which symptoms to have maybe one could choose to not have a mental illness at all.

JMO. It will be interesting to see what happens next.

Yet RB was in control of her faculties to the degree that she was able to keep clean and be made up, find shelter and food. For that matter she was representing herself as a financial adviser to at least one client/potential partner who did not sense that she was off her gourd at all.

It would be hard to believe that someone so organized in their behaviour could be insane by rule of law.

I think RB just wanted attention, and did not intend to kill. JMO.

 

[CARIIS]

Yet RB was in control of her faculties to the degree that she was able to keep clean and be made up, find shelter and food. For that matter she was representing herself as a financial adviser to at least one client/potential partner who did not sense that she was off her gourd at all.

It would be hard to believe that someone so organized in their behaviour could be insane by rule of law.

I think RB just wanted attention, and did not intend to kill. JMO.

in control of her faculties .......there is a difference between hearing voices or seeing things........if you saw a space **** coming at you you would gesture duck scream and hit the deck.....if you beleived a space ship might be coming next week your behavvior would be different......core thing here is beliefs.......

I know its hard for folks , but in order to understand this one needs to grasp what delusions are. I am certainly not condoning her actions, but if you truly beleived the CIA agent was about to kill you you would...


Anyone who wants to go to You Tube and watch "person suffering with delusionial thinking"

a whole part of her delusionial reality was "having" to go to work it seems the media is making that she was not sick becasue she was able to put on skirt and blouse and comb her hair the reality here is she is a very well dressed very sick individual.

she "had" to go to work (just like everyone and you cannot show up at work dirty ) and she "had" to stab this CIA FBI agent who was after her and going to kill her half past 3 in the afternoon at the shopper rite at the magazine rack in the front of the news magazine and be wearing a green jacked and stand 5 foot 2 while being young with hair down to her shoulders and wearing black pants and ..................its an illiness

 

[CARIIS]

I'm just saying mentally ill, yes, insane, no. RB will go to prison.

I am with blue on this one- deservedly IMO she will be found, using our societies word, "insane" at the time of the event.

Stressers excacberate symptomolgy ..........

I wonder why she held on to the delusion........................its not a choice .............................

 

[CARIIS]

Sadly I wonder if "I felt the need to be extreme to see if it would work" meant the stabbing was a cry for help, for her family to take her back and get her grounded and perhaps working in some ordinary job?

I wonder why she held on to the delusion of having/chasing a financial sector job for 10 years? I mean, why not give up on that, move on, take a job as an admin assistant somewhere and work your way up to something?

Somebody put a lot of money into her education. Perhaps her parents expected her to make it big and wouldn't accept anything else and this strange situation ensued?

I don't think RB was crazy enough to not understand the difference between right and wrong, and I think this was all a very sad cry for help.

why not give up on that, move on, take a job as an admin assistant somewhere and work your way up to something?

that is something an individual who is not suffering with mental illiness would do - noone "chooses" to have cancer nor does anyone "chose" to have their neurotranmitters function incorrectly - it is identical to eye color, there is no difference IMO,

if you had epelpisy which caused arms to flail and you hit someone when an epdisdoe ocurred, would you be angry at the poor individual ? Probably not ..............

she is sick..............

 

[Snoopster]

in control of her faculties .......there is a difference between hearing voices or seeing things........if you saw a space **** coming at you you would gesture duck scream and hit the deck.....if you beleived a space ship might be coming next week your behavvior would be different......core thing here is beliefs.......

I know its hard for folks , but in order to understand this one needs to grasp what delusions are. I am certainly not condoning her actions, but if you truly beleived the CIA agent was about to kill you you would...


Anyone who wants to go to You Tube and watch "person suffering with delusionial thinking"

a whole part of her delusionial reality was "having" to go to work it seems the media is making that she was not sick becasue she was able to put on skirt and blouse and comb her hair the reality here is she is a very well dressed very sick individual.

she "had" to go to work (just like everyone and you cannot show up at work dirty ) and she "had" to stab this CIA FBI agent who was after her and going to kill her half past 3 in the afternoon at the shopper rite at the magazine rack in the front of the news magazine and be wearing a green jacked and stand 5 foot 2 while being young with hair down to her shoulders and wearing black pants and ..................its an illiness

What if we 'reframed' what people are referring to when they say delusions. I have lived with someone who suffered from mental illness. At times it wasn't so much that they had 'delusions' as most of us would think of it (e.g. voices), but rather that they saw things through a different lens. Everything made sense to them with their particular perspective, but it wouldn't be anywhere close to the perspective of someone who wasn't under the heavy influence of mental illness.

If only we understood the human brain. We're not even close.

 

[bluesneakers]

What if we 'reframed' what people are referring to when they say delusions. I have lived with someone who suffered from mental illness. At times it wasn't so much that they had 'delusions' as most of us would think of it (e.g. voices), but rather that they saw things through a different lens. Everything made sense to them with their particular perspective, but it wouldn't be anywhere close to the perspective of someone who wasn't under the heavy influence of mental illness.

If only we understood the human brain. We're not even close.

That's really interesting what you said about delusion and what people think it means. I always think of them as false beliefs or delusions of grandeur, not voices (or visions). I never considered there were other definitions or they were understood to have other meanings. Which has undoubtedly led to some misunderstandings.
Thanks.

 

[bluesneakers]

in control of her faculties .......there is a difference between hearing voices or seeing things........if you saw a space **** coming at you you would gesture duck scream and hit the deck.....if you beleived a space ship might be coming next week your behavvior would be different......core thing here is beliefs.......

I know its hard for folks , but in order to understand this one needs to grasp what delusions are. I am certainly not condoning her actions, but if you truly beleived the CIA agent was about to kill you you would...


Anyone who wants to go to You Tube and watch "person suffering with delusionial thinking"

a whole part of her delusionial reality was "having" to go to work it seems the media is making that she was not sick becasue she was able to put on skirt and blouse and comb her hair the reality here is she is a very well dressed very sick individual.

she "had" to go to work (just like everyone and you cannot show up at work dirty ) and she "had" to stab this CIA FBI agent who was after her and going to kill her half past 3 in the afternoon at the shopper rite at the magazine rack in the front of the news magazine and be wearing a green jacked and stand 5 foot 2 while being young with hair down to her shoulders and wearing black pants and ..................it's an illness

IMO she is ill and there's no other possible explanation for what happened. It's impossible to make sense of the murder of a young woman like this, so it's not like "Oh, this makes sense" but I'm sure that's what's behind it.

 

[bluesneakers]

Such a beautiful smile.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I think the picture that has been in the news is heavily photoshopped. RB's nose just isn't the same in any other photos.

It makes me feel that she is a naturally dishonest person.

 

[bluesneakers]

Such a beautiful smile.

What happened to the photos? They were right before my comment... Were they deleted?

My comment seems weird, but I swear there were two photos in the post I replied to. Hence the beautiful smile comment.

 

[bluesneakers]

Thank you.

 

[dotr]

Visitation to be held for woman stabbed to death in PATH drug store
http://www.cp24.com/news/visitation...stabbed-to-death-in-path-drug-store-1.2708647

 

[Sillybilly]

What happened to the photos? They were right before my comment... Were they deleted?

My comment seems weird, but I swear there were two photos in the post I replied to. Hence the beautiful smile comment.

Pics were removed because they did not have a link to the source.

 

[Sillybilly]

This case is not about mass murder or politics. Please stay on topic.

:tyou:

 

[dotr]

http://nypost.com/2015/12/21/beautiful-woman-charged-in-random-fatal-stabbing-might-get-bail/

The dapper businesswoman who fatally stabbed a young newlywed in a shocking random attack at a Canadian drugstore is planning to apply for bail — and she just might get it, her lawyer told The Post on Monday.

Attorneys for financial adviser and suspected killer Rohinie Bisesar, 40, are putting together a bail package to get her sprung from jail by contacting her family members to put up their homes as collateral to secure bond.

“We think that it would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to get her bailed out,” said her defense lawyer, Calvin Barry.