Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #1 *Arrest*

[LoisLane]

It seems to me that if this discussion is going to be side-tracked with constant discussion about the integrity of media reporting and police conduct (as with the Liknes/Obrien case), there should be a separate thread for that discussion.

We are simply sorting thru the various reports. No need for another thread IMO. We are allowed to voice our opinions about the inconsistencies. It would be nice if we could get thru a day without the debates being argumentative and the personal issues some have with others.

 

[otto]

No one is criticizing anyone... Just observations and questioning reported statements to clarify and uncover the truth. It is equally dangerous to trust everything stated without question as it is to ignore it.

Has any untruth been revealed? We know that Shannon and her husband live together, but they are estranged. We know that Shannon's father phoned her sister because Shannon missed an appointment with her brother. We know that Shannon's husband did not respond to phone calls from Shannon's sister until the end of the day, when he confirmed that Shannon was not at home and that he had not seen her for five days.

The media reported the information that was presented during the press conference. All the facts are available by watching the press conference. There is no need to rely on social media rumour made prior to the press conference because the facts were laid out during the press conference. Specifically, there was no communication from Shannon after she was seen by her husband at her home late Wednesday night: 12:30AM Nov 27. There is no reason to speculate that Shannon's husband owned a home in some other part of the city because he lived with Shannon.

Having seen pages and pages of criticism of the integrity of media and police in the Calgary Liknes/Obrien case, I think that if those same topics are going to dominate this discussion, then there does need to be a separate thread for those discussions. We rely on the media and police to learn the facts of the case and although some may prefer to discuss the media and police integrity, there should be a dedicated thread for discussing this missing woman case.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

No one is criticizing anyone... Just observations and questioning reported statements to clarify and uncover the truth. It is equally dangerous to trust everything stated without question as it is to ignore it.

Gee that sounds familiar... I don't recall agreeing to you taking the "arguments" in the divorce.

 

[news.talk]

Gee that sounds familiar... I don't recall agreeing to you taking the "arguments" in the divorce.

Sometimes my love, we take without asking. That is a woman's prerogative. [emoji39]

It is equally important to recognize the logic in someone else's argument and adjust one's own viewpoint.

 

[news.talk]

Has any untruth been revealed? We know that Shannon and her husband live together, but they are estranged. We know that Shannon's father phoned her sister because Shannon missed an appointment with her brother. We know that Shannon's husband did not respond to phone calls from Shannon's sister until the end of the day, when he confirmed that Shannon was not at home and that he had not seen her for five days.

The media reported the information that was presented during the press conference. All the facts are available by watching the press conference. There is no need to rely on social media rumour made prior to the press conference because the facts were laid out during the press conference. Specifically, there was no communication from Shannon after she was seen by her husband at her home late Wednesday night: 12:30AM Nov 27. There is no reason to speculate that Shannon's husband owned a home in some other part of the city because he lived with Shannon.

Having seen pages and pages of criticism of the integrity of media and police in the Calgary Liknes/Obrien case, I think that if those same topics are going to dominate this discussion, then there does need to be a separate thread for those discussions. We rely on the media and police to learn the facts of the case and although some may prefer to discuss the media and police integrity, there should be a dedicated thread for discussing this missing woman case.

Since the subject is still 'missing' it is fair to say that the truth being uncovered is a process. If every single piece of information that is uncovered from other sources than merely reading MSM is disregarded, then what is the point of being on a sleuthing forum?

 

[Montjoy]

Since the subject is still 'missing' it is fair to say that the truth being uncovered is a process. If every single piece of information that is uncovered from other sources than merely reading MSM is disregarded, then what is the point of being on a sleuthing forum?

I agree with your first sentence completely.

As for your second sentence, I can only say, while risking breaking the terms of service here, that there are strict rules of evidence, as there are in a criminal trial. Like it or not, there are rules against hearsay and rumor. It's not my place to judge, but I would reckon that the conversation would be much more complicated if rumor and hearsay or other non-MSM sources were in play.

This website is not a space of free speech, and so we are beholden to the rules of our hosts.

 

[news.talk]

I agree with your first sentence completely.

As for your second sentence, I can only say, while risking breaking the terms of service here, that there are strict rules of evidence, as there are in a criminal trial. Like it or not, there are rules against hearsay and rumor. It's not my place to judge, but I would reckon that the conversation would be much more complicated if rumor and hearsay or other non-MSM sources were in play.

This website is not a space of free speech, and so we are beholden to the rules of our hosts.

There is a difference between relying on rumour and using information as a springboard for discovery.

I also don't think a missing person's family is unreliable, especially when the same person is the source of MSM reports.

 

[LoriMcA]

I don't know if this has been posted yet...the time/date has it as just put out tonight...sorry if a repost!

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/missin...-in-toronto-or-vancouver-police-say-1.2147586

"Police in Toronto and Vancouver are joining the search for a missing Alberta woman after Calgary police received information that she may be in one of those cities."

 

[dotr]

Shannon`s family must be desperate with worry , considering she has been missing for over 2 weeks now.
The possibility that she may be in another city, for whatever reason, might be a small comfort, at this time.
They must be pleased to see that media is spreading the word, even as they brace for potentially bad news, imo.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

The lovely LaLa has found an update on the sister-in-law's page that they may not have received a reply to that Friday correspondence.

Thanks for calling me lovely News I hope Out Of The Darkness doesn't get jealous! Why isn't he here anyway? We need some dry wit and sarcasm!

ETA - just catching up on reading posts, so posted before I saw OOTD's post upthread lol! I guess he found his way

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Ok fellow sleuthers, I have just 'joined' this thread, and after reading much of the thread.. I have the following thoughts/questions:

i)how do we know the couple (SB and JB) are estranged? It seems odd that if estranged, and if in a messy separation, the two would be still living together, and also odd that the family would include the estranged husband in the family presser? Apparently the estrangement was noted in an MSM article, but do we know it is accurate? It just seems odd that LE haven't mentioned it, nor the family? (or have they and I just missed that?)

ii)in regard to SB's family members not listing JB as a 'friend' on their FB, I think this may have something to do with the various persons' privacy settings. Many of the family members have their friends blocked so that only other friends can see them, and not the general public (like us for example). I am wondering if this could be why he shows up only on the sister-in-law's 'friends list', since hers are not hidden?

iii)I am thinking that if SB's family had any inklings or reasons to suspect that their missing family member's husband had anything to do with her disappearance, he would not have been invited to attend the presser?

iv)in regard to the supposed marriage in May of SB to JB, to me it sounds like JB was kind of the puppet-guy, and SB called the shots. On SB's FB post dated May 1st, she announced that she is 'just going to go ahead and get married on Sunday' and included JB's FB link in that post. Presumably the date for said marriage would be May 4th, 2014 as she later indicated May 4th, and also that there would be no wedding to invite people to attend; JB then replied to SB's marriage statement (in the wee hours of May 2nd) that 'it was the first he'd heard about it', to which SB responded that 'she knew she had forgotten to tell *someone*'. Much later in the day on May 2nd (and May 2nd is only two days prior to the apparent planned marriage), in response to same post, JB said 'SB was stuck with him now, no refunds!' To me, that sounds like it was SB who was in rather a hurry to have this marriage happen, but that JB was perfectly willing to accommodate.

To me, and of course, appearances mean nothing, he seems like a rather shy guy; in photos his hands seem to be often in his pockets in photos, he kind of often seems to hide his smile, kind of nerdy looking.. perhaps rather a little on the boring side(?), he worked for the government apparently. I'll bet he was head over heels for SB. To have him kind of change appearance over the next few months after SB perhaps started making her desired changes in him after marriage, doesn't surprise me at all. In the presser when someone noted his head was down, that could just be his shyness coming through again. Also, I dont' think it is weird that he didn't speak, because none of the other family members spoke either. Just the one sister was the family spokesperson.

v)in one post, someone mentioned that JB was also into acting, but I couldnt' find a reference to that anywhere, does anyone have a link?

Hey, glad you're here!

Good valid thoughts you have going….

- In regards to 'estranged'/and him at the presser - a MSM article used the word estranged. There was also a MSM article the stated she was going through a 'messy' separation/divorce. Could be bad journalism (once again!), not sure. Your other observation is a good one too - why would he be at the presser if family was remotely suspicious of him? The only thing I can think of is there was maybe no cause for alarm, it was so early on. Maybe denial, no family wants to feel their loved one is victim of any homicide. I think the family truly thinks she's out there, so no reason to suspect the husband. JMO.

- JB not being on SB's family FB friends list - another good point you raise. Many of SB's family have their friend's list blocked so very hard to prove if this is a fact or what's going on here. This one's a gray area one for sure. Update after sleuthing: JB isn't friends on FB with SB's brothers, nor is JB friend's with LM (SB's mom?) but is with sister in law CM.

- SB/JB's marriage/relationship dynamic - I totally agree with you. I don't want to sound to 'judgey', but the vibe I get off JB is that he's a bit sheepish, and looks a little stoic or uncomfortable/forced somehow, so not the vivacious, charismatic, lots of personality type like SB. She might've been the more dominant one in the relationship, he seems more repressed. Gosh, I sound terrible analyzing people I haven't meant, but this is strictly an impression and JMO.

- JB and acting - I'm not sure the source of that either. Does anyone know this is for sure?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

So, this is just a hypothetical angle. Do we know anything of SB's exes before JB?

I've heard a few women who aren't totally over an ex and jump into a relationship with another guy so it 'gets back to the ex' and to play games in a way, to stir up some emotions and maybe jealousy.

If JB and SB weren't together long before this off the cuff FB marriage announcement, the way SB did it reminds me a something a girl would do to get back at someone where feelings might still linger. If she was still acquaintances with an ex and they had a history of a heavy relationship or bond, maybe that bond wasn't broken because of her hasty marriage?

Would she have been in a secret type relationship with a previous boyfriend/lover be it friendship or other? Would this be someone she would confide in or want to make her way back to after she's divorced. Would this be someone she would see or visit time to time? Just looking at angles….

 

[dennisfedak81]

Given circumstances here and information or lack thereof, it is likely Shannon is deceased. Very unfortunate and sad. She likely disappeared close to or in her home shortly after last being seen. One of the reasons the cellphone was left behind is there was likely fear the body could be tracked that way. If he were to dump it, there is always the risk of surveillance cameras or someone seeing. It's a recovery operation at this point. If I was Shannon's family, I would tell the Police not to waste their time and resources in Toronto and Vancouver. Even a monkey could see that one is a dead end.

Beautiful girl with great potential in acting or at least broadcasting down the line. I sure hope they get to the bottom of this though. It was either the ex or someone she likely knew who got to her near her home. There is no evidence of her making it beyond that.

 

[Canadianmom2three]

I'm still wondering about the Toronto and Vancouver leads. I'm wondering if police maybe have her phone/computer and maybe she was communicating with someone online (maybe she met someone?) and through the conversations they have reason to believe she may be in another place? Just a thought.

I am also very interested in what type of coat she had, and possibly what is missing as in clothes from her place. Earlier on I had called in a tip, I saw someone who looked just like Shannon that was not too far from her residence. I have not heard back from anyone, and it probably wasn't her....but still, it seems like we are not getting the usual things we get when someone goes missing...that being what she was last seen wearing and what she was last seen doing.

 

[dennisfedak81]

Impossible she met someone and decided to go there without using any money or even bringing her cellphone. That is so highly implausible the Cps might as well investigate an alien abduction. Whoever knows what happened to Shannon did leave a few clues without knowing it. These may relate to:

The cellphone
Her inventory of clothing
Forensic evidence.
Her computer data

I know what the Cps are doing. They are eliminating all other possibilities and will corner whoever killed Shannon. In the course of the interview process, someone provided these leads. Cps will eliminate their viability quickly. They work slow but that is a part of their strength in getting to the bottom of it. Unfortunately this will not help Shannon.

BTW. Don't let the appearance of the ex hubby fool you. Appearances are deceiving...remember Paul Bernardo?

 

[Canadianmom2three]

Impossible she met someone and decided to go there without using any money or even bringing her cellphone. That is so highly implausible the Cps might as well investigate an alien abduction. Whoever knows what happened to Shannon did leave a few clues without knowing it.
I know what the Cps are doing. They are eliminating all other possibilities and will corner whoever killed Shannon. They work slow but that is a part of their strength in getting to the bottom of it. Unfortunately this will not help Shannon.

BTW. Don't let the appearance of the ex hubby fool you. Appearances are deceiving...remember Paul Bernardo?

I personally don't feel his appearance is fooling, more so the opposite for me.

As for her meeting someone she could have left her phone and let the other person pay for everything? Or drove with someone who paid all the gas? I know it seems out there, but I don't feel it's impossible, and the possibility of her being diseased is pretty high... I agree.

MOO

 

[dotr]

One reason why no description of Shannon's clothing was released, might be because she was wearing a coat and just running into the house for a moment, maybe to plug in her phone.
Most people stick to just several warm coats, surely someone would know which one Shannon was last seen wearing, imo.

 

[dotr]

Once again, yesterday's LE news release.

http://www.albertapolicereport.ca/2...-calgary-police-missing-person-investigation/

" VPD Assist with Calgary Police Missing Person Investigation
The Calgary Police Service is asking for the public’s assistance to locate a missing woman who may be in either Vancouver or Toronto. Shannon Madill (Burgess), 25, was last seen by a family member at approximately 12:30 a.m. on Thursday, November 27th, at her residence in the 1900 block of Spiller Road in S.E. Calgary. When she didn’t arrive for plans with family and friends on Sunday, they became concerned, and reported her missing on Monday, December 1st.

Shannon Madill (Burgess), 25, was last seen by a family member at approximately 12:30 a.m. on Thursday, November 27th, at her residence in the 1900 block of Spiller Road in S.E. Calgary.

Although there are no indications of foul play, it is out of character for her to not be in touch with family and friends, and police are concerned for her welfare. Shannon frequently travels to Edmonton to visit friends and for work as a performance artist and standup comedian. Investigators have received information indicating she may be in either Vancouver or Toronto, Ontario.

She is described as white, approximately 130 lbs., 5’6″ tall, with red hair and green eyes.

Anyone with information about her whereabouts is asked to call the Calgary Police Service at (403) 266-1234, or Crime Stoppers at 1 (800) 222-8477".

 

[Canadianmom2three]

One reason why no description of Shannon's clothing was released, might be because she was wearing a coat and just running into the house for a moment, maybe to plug in her phone.
Most people stick to just several warm coats, surely someone would know which one Shannon was last seen wearing, imo.

Yes about the coats, and with it being winter, most people wear a coat while outside..and I'd just like to know what, if anything, is missing so we know what to look for.

 

[deugirtni]

Yes, definitely agree that appearances mean absolutely nothing. However, I am *personally* getting an image of him as being the perhaps introverted type, kind of shy, and likely head over heels.. falls for this very outgoing and vivacious young woman, exactly the opposite of him, and suddenly his perhaps rather mundane, government worker life, becomes exciting, busy, and involving living with a beautiful young woman. I could see him being so smitten with her, and perhaps her choosing him because he was in love with her and good to her.. but then perhaps becoming bored. Who knows what some quieter types might do when, after getting a taste of the 'high life', are faced with 'mundane' once again? OTOH, he could be completely out of her picture really, if what MSM reported about them being 'separated' is true, even though still living together, and going through a 'messy divorce'? I just don't get why if that were true however, the family wouldn't have mentioned it, or the police.

If they *were* in fact separated and yet still living in the same home, I would assume that each would be living their own life without including the other in the fine details of where they are going, with whom, and when they will be back, etc. So while JB may have been the last person known to have seen her at 12;30am on November 27th, he could have then retired for the night and not know anything further. If they are apart, they are likely habitating in separate rooms and perhaps he would have no knowledge of what was in there, including her phone. It could have been dead, and she decided to go out partying, and left it at home knowing it wasn't going to work anyway, so left it charging, expecting to return. Unfortunately we don't know those details.

Someone could have picked her up at the house..... and nobody would be any the wiser, if in fact they *were* apart. So say JB then went to work as usual on that Thursday.. didn't see her on the Thursday, which, if separated, perhaps was nothing strange for him. Then he goes to work as usual again on Friday, comes home to nothingness which is again, perhaps nothing strange for him if they were apart. Then.. the weekend, which again, she had plans apparently in Edmonton.. and he wouldnt' necessarily know whether she showed up or not, what she took, what she was wearing, or that she had left her phone. Then on the Monday, the sister calls his cellphone to enquire about SB's whereabouts, so he goes home to see if she is there yet, and she's not, so he returns the call saying so. It could be all very innocent on his end, and he also wouldn't know whether, from the Thursday at 12;30am, through to the Monday when he heard from the sister, SB had in fact been in contact with any of her family or friends during that period or not, and whether it was only perhaps him who was left out in the cold as far as what she was up to. That is one of the big problems with people who 'separate' and yet remain living together.. they live together and yet they are separate lives and neither one has to answer to the other about anything. Seems so unfair, I don't know why anyone would agree to such an arrangement. MOO of course! Perhaps this is how they lived even when they *were* still together as a couple.. she was sleepless and energetic and outgoing, and he needed regular sleep to attend his regular job. They could have lived very separate lives even then.

Personally I do not believe she is alive either, but there are too many details that we don't know, in my opinion, to base an opinion as to who could be responsible. The 'ex' seems to be left holding the bag though, and would, I think, be the most obvious for police to follow up with. I wonder if her dog is still at the matrimonial home. I also wonder about previous 'flames', as mentioned by another poster. Hopefully LE has her computer wherein much might be found in the way of communications and perhaps plans with others.