Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #1 *Arrest*

[news.talk]

yes you have,, remember going to the national when it was a real dive? we boo'ed brian adams and 54-40 off the stage one night. The Shammrot was an absolutely last last last to the pwer of 60 last alternative for cheap 10 oz glasses of cheap gut rot draught, and even then one of us would do a quick peak inside to make sure we weren't going to be a bikers paintbrush.

I used to jam at the King Eddie on Saturdays and drink beer with Ralph Klein at the St. Louis and occasionally the Cecil. Never went to the Shammrot.

 

[otto]

I think the suggestion must be that she left out the yard gate, and that probably avoids all cameras.

 

[stan laurel]

The route from the housing co-op to Inglewood does not pass by the Shamrock Hotel - the Shamrock Hotel is in the opposite direction.

I'm not sure how you are picturing the neighbourhood, the shamrock is about 50 yards the other way. hookers stroll, truckers cruise, it's not like everybody just hovers on the doorstep. It's a sketchy route with an on-wheels transient element

 

[otto]

I'm not sure how you are picturing the neighbourhood, the shamrock is about 50 yards the other way. hookers stroll, truckers cruise, it's not like everybody just hovers on the doorstep. It's a sketchy route with an on-wheels transient element

I just look at maps. There's no reason to go anywhere near the Shamrock Hotel, or the 7-11, when walking from Shannon's apartment to the pubs in Inglewood.

 

[news.talk]

I just look at maps. There's no reason to go anywhere near the Shamrock Hotel, or the 7-11, when walking from Shannon's apartment to the pubs in Inglewood.

Assuming she went to the pubs. Maybe she went for a run as her social media suggests she does frequently? Maybe she went to the store for snacks? The point is, we do not know.

Either way, there are plenty of businesses in the vicinity that *should* have caught her on CCTV if she indeed went anywhere on foot or even via vehicle. If she went to a pub, there are even more possible CCTV businesses.

 

[otto]

Assuming she went to the pubs. Maybe she went for a run as her social media suggests she does frequently? Maybe she went to the store for snacks? The point is, we do not know.

Either way, there are plenty of businesses in the vicinity that *should* have caught her on CCTV if she indeed went anywhere on foot or even via vehicle. If she went to a pub, there are even more possible CCTV businesses.

All we know is that she was seen at her apartment, and then she vanished.

 

[dennisfedak81]

I wonder if CPS has conducted a throurough search of their home? Has JB cooperated with this? They need to start here.

 

[news.talk]

All we know is that she was seen at her apartment, and then she vanished.

Um... yes. That is why we are trying to uncover possible scenarios and leads.

The original question was, if she went anywhere on her own volition, she would have been captured on CCTV, so *how* did she vanish?

 

[otto]

I wonder if CPS has conducted a throurough search of their home? Has JB cooperated with this? They need to start here.

The family has been completely cooperative according to the police, so I would assume that police have been in her home.

 

[deugirtni]

I don't know the area at all of course, but to me that looks like a heckuva walk.. how far would that be to walk to the 'Inglewood bars', and how long would that take?

I just look at maps. There's no reason to go anywhere near the Shamrock Hotel, or the 7-11, when walking from Shannon's apartment to the pubs in Inglewood.

 

[news.talk]

The family has been completely cooperative according to the police, so I would assume that police have been in her home.

Presumably, they were also in Lisa Mitchell's home over the course of their two year investigation, yet her body (parts) were found in her home and her spouse was charge with homicide.

What is unclear is, do they have probable cause for a forensic search warrant? Clearly they did not in the Mitchell case yet there she was.

On the surface, a homicide can be covered up and without a thorough search, it can go unnoticed.

What is to say she even made it back from Edmonton? We only have her estranged husband's word.

 

[stan laurel]

I don't know the area at all of course, but to me that looks like a heckuva walk.. how far would that be to walk to the 'Inglewood bars', and how long would that take?

It's an older part of Calgary so the map is deceptive,, it's not a long walk to Inglewood even going the longer -safer - route. wanted to add that the blocks run shorter than other parts of cowtown. 15 minutes hoofin it 25 minutes half hoof.

driving according to google shows the long and short route

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From 1911 Spiller Rd SE, Calgary, AB T2G 4G5

3 min (1.2 km)
via 19 Ave SE and 12 St SE

4 min (1.7 km)
via 8 St SE and 9 Ave SE

 

[deugirtni]

I'm just wondering.. in a case where there is a missing family member.. but reported by a different household than the one in which the missing person lives.. and everyone is sad and cooperative.. how far do police go in their searching? ie.. would they look in freezers and under beds and in drawers and closets and cupboards? dishwasher/sink (for perhaps any sign of knives or blood)? Or would they feel like it's insulting to the family to go to great lengths in the home and the vehicles considering the family is suffering? Why no forensics trucks at the home or her vehicle? (or his vehicle?) I suppose if there is no obvious sign of struggle.. how far do they go, and what do they even look for?

The family has been completely cooperative according to the police, so I would assume that police have been in her home.

 

[stan laurel]

I'm just wondering.. in a case where there is a missing family member.. but reported by a different household than the one in which the missing person lives.. and everyone is sad and cooperative.. how far do police go in their searching? ie.. would they look in freezers and under beds and in drawers and closets and cupboards? dishwasher/sink (for perhaps any sign of knives or blood)? Or would they feel like it's insulting to the family to go to great lengths in the home and the vehicles considering the family is suffering? Why no forensics trucks at the home or her vehicle? (or his vehicle?) I suppose if there is no obvious sign of struggle.. how far do they go, and what do they even look for?

good point, and I must note that he looks pretty buff in the video.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Not that we would be privy to this information, but wouldn't one pack clothes and withdrawal large sums of cash, before disappearing?

Yes, another reason this theory doesn't jive that she left to have a breather. The only way I think this theory works, is it she's of unsound mind or in an unstable mental state for her to leave without the basics or notifying her family.

 

[dennisfedak81]

There is that case in Quebec of the young girl who went missing without a trace, was presumed dead, and was found years later married and living with an older guy. Cant remember her name but it does happen.


I think her name was Julie Bureau.

I believe different circumstances. But i guess these things can happen!

 

[deugirtni]

Many years ago in Hamilton ON, there was a case where a man was separated from his wife (thank God she managed to get out alive!) and they had a child together, living apart from him. I forget the details, but somehow the separated wife came to understand there were body parts of a woman at the home where her (ex) husband lived. I think he told her about them and asked her to take him to the psych hospital.

She called police and they found a body in pieces in various places in the home and property. They then started looking deeper into the man. He had previously been married to a woman who had 'gone missing'. They had had a rocky marriage, which produced 2 children. He was the type to batter his wife. Apparently the wife was visiting her mother and telling her that was it, she was going to leave her husband. The husband showed up saying he was going to take her home to to help her collect some of her things and bring her back. That was the last the mom ever saw or heard from her daughter. The husband reported that she had upped and left he and their children. The mother believed him, and so the woman was never reported as a missing person until many years later.

I remember this case because it was particularly gruesome because the man worked at the big steel factory there, 'Dofasco', and I'm not sure which body(ies) he had done this with, but he had taken body parts to work with him and thrown them in the big vat of molten steel. The man was charged and sent to jail, awaiting trial, when he suddenly died. Apparently a large drug overdose, and so the families never really received 'closure', and all hopes of ever hearing what really happened died along with him.

The name of the man was Sam Pirrera. I believe one of the Hamilton newspaper reporters wrote some kind of short story on his case, and another author wrote something on him too, called 'Cold North Killers: Canadian Serial Murder', by Lee Mellor.

Anyway, it is interesting to note how in that case, it was apparently so easy for this going-to-be-newly-separated-man to fool a family member into believing their loved one had just picked up and left. And so no report, and no investigation was done, because his word was taken at face value by the victim's mother, only because perhaps the immediate circumstances at that very time kind of made his explanation half plausible (she was leaving him, and so she left, there she went, bye bye, sorry she couldn't be bothered telling you or saying goodbye, and I guess she cares more about being free than about her own children, blah blah). Truth is so much more interesting it seems, than anything someone's mind could conjure up!

 

[Lalalacasbah]

If it is uncharacteristic for SB to do this.. it certainly isn't the time of year to choose to do it for the first time. Christmas is a time when people tend to want home and family and it is now only one week away. I can't see her willingly leaving at this time.
It is unsettling to think that the other woman mentioned who was missing for 2 years was found in her own home.. similar circumstances too in that it was not her husband who reported her missing either, it was the woman's family, as it was in this case. So... whatever reasons LE had for not searching the other woman's home that she shared with her husband, I sure hope they can overcome that reason in *this* case, and just get in there and do a forensic exam, and look in all the dang fridges and freezers and crawl spaces and floorboards and etc. !!!
Because of that little 'detail' in MSM about the couple being separated.. (I still think it very very odd that this has not been mentioned at all by family or LE, and so I question where MSM got the info and if they got it right).. it could make such a huge difference in this case because.. if they were in fact 'separated within the home', JB would have no reason to question her whereabouts or to assume she wasn't in touch with family and/or friends just because she wasn't in touch with him. But if they were in fact NOT separated, that becomes a whole new and different story in not reporting her missing..... unless this was something that she did to *him* on a regular basis?
We haven't seen any news media taking pics and writing stories about forensics vehicles outside of her apartment/unit.. which leads me to think they haven't bothered to examine her home in great detail. That is rather scary, considering it was the last place she was supposedly seen, and if separated, even worse for the last person to have seen her being the 'estranged' husband.
Ugh, I hate this case!

The fact that 'everyone' is so deafening quiet, makes me think LE is watching those closest to SB very, very carefully. I don't doubt they're watching JB and his movements like a hawk.

The mention of estrangement and messy separation might've been a slip from MSM early on and maybe LE has told them and the family to not mention this to not rouse or alert a potential suspect.

I agree with you, this wouldn't be the time to purposefully bolt for SB. I can only see her doing this if she couldn't control her behavior or being unaware she's causing strife (if she maybe has mental health issues we're unaware of).

 

[Lalalacasbah]

The apartment cannot be seen from the street, as it is up the hill. The 7-11 is not on a route that Shannon would take to go to Inglewood. In fact, there doesn't appear to be any reason for her to walk past the 7-11, and she was not seen at the 7-11.

What is the relevance of the 7-11?

We don't know where she went - could've been the pubs of Ingelwood or to the 7-11 to get milk or cigarettes if a smoker.

 

[deugirtni]

Who is there though to say that she left with nothing? Obviously they could notice the car was still there, and perhaps her purse, if they're saying she only took her wallet. As LoisLane suggested, she could have been saving stacks of cash from tips or something, and she could have taken a bag, and who would really know which clothing pieces might be missing? I know my husband wouldn't have a clue which clothing pieces I took with me, if I went missing. I wonder how long this couple was supposedly separated? If it was already a 'messy divorce', I think it takes awhile to become messy, doesn't it? And if messy, then how can two people remain living in the same residence? I don't think for a minute that SB left 'permanently' at least, on her own accord. I think there is a possibility she could have gone out for a few hours perhaps, and then met with foul play of some kind. Or not gone out out all. Or not even arrived home at all. Although.. when did she write that FB post about the brakes? That must be assuming she had been home at that time since the car wasn't found stranded in Edmonton?

Yes, another reason this theory doesn't jive that she left to have a breather. The only way I think this theory works, is it she's of unsound mind or in an unstable mental state for her to leave without the basics or notifying her family.