Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #1 *Arrest*

[Lalalacasbah]

luckily from December 1st thru now it has been Chinook (first nations: Snow Eater) dry, there is no snow just a blanket of frost. It takes a loooong time for things to rot here.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/ca/calgary/t2g/december-weather/52479

Ah, okay, I'm terrible and totally assumed Calgary was wet and has been having snow. Faux pas (and ignorance) on my part

 

[stan laurel]

If you are suggesting that the discovery of the 2 photos at Fish Creek Park are affiliated with a potential LARP event, wouldn't someone come forward and tell LE? Or am I missing what you're getting at?

the larp events for Calgary ended on the 16th but we're saying what if an under the table private one was arranged and something went amiss, or part of it went off radar, or it ended but continued between two.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I agree, those pics would have had to have been protected somehow, perhaps laminated? To me, I would think that LE would have questioned the 2 parties that each separately found the 2 photos, asking when the last time they had been by that exact location, and they likely answered sometime less than 2 weeks ago. Likely less than foolproof accurate, but that's what they have to go on at this point I would think. Lala where did you read that newer news stories are saying that these pics ARE involved with the case?

Here's a quote from The Sun and Canoe (same article, different publication) that says the photos/scene is related, however note it says also multiple sources, so not sure the sources are legit even (BBM):

"Multiple sources told the Sun the investigation is related to the disappearance of 25-year-old Shannon Burgess, who was last seen nearly three weeks ago."

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/12/1...fish-creek-park-after-mysterious-photos-found
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2014/12/17/22136986.html

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I am the same, Lalalacasbah - I am soooo suspicious of the husband but I have been guilty of tunnel vision before. Going five days without wondering where she might be is odd to me. Even if it had got to the point where they lived completely separate lives and didn't talk to each other except if absolutely necessary it would still be obvious she hadn't been around. Little things like the smell of cooking, dirty pots or a cup, noticing someone has had a shower, are all indicators that someone hasn't been around. The biggest thing to me is the cell phone, due to her line of work alone she probably always had it on her, would he not have thought it weird that she didn't come back for it in all that time. However, we also have to consider Shannon may have been the type to stay with friends for a few days. The cell phone could of been somewhere out of sight (in her room or a bag) and he didn't realise she didn't have it with her until the sister called and he went looking for possible clues.

Yes, his actions are suspicious. The whole phone thing and taking so long to be concerned doesn't seem right.

 

[LoisLane]

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http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/12/17/calgary-police-search-fish-creek-park-after-mysterious-photos-found

Who is the woman in the black coat? Is that the coroner? Would the ME/coroner be requested on site in case they found something or do they only come after?

 

[stan laurel]

Ah, okay, I'm terrible and totally assumed Calgary was wet and has been having snow. Faux pas (and ignorance) on my part

no no no, no ignorance, Calgary is typically dry and gets little snow round this time of year and it's a very dusty, powdery type of snow (bad for snowballs) when it does decide to fall. we also have weird microclimates pass through besides the Chinook (dry west wind).

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Forever miss... suicidal? Whoring... knocked up... misogynistic? Posted by someone else?

Perhaps Facebook could provide LE the IP address and possible location of where that post came from.

Forever miss, could mean she stopped playing too.... Maybe her new husband didn't play and didn't want her playing (with her whoring and getting knocked up n'all). Even though it's role playing, he might've been too conservative to partake.

 

[stan laurel]

Forever miss, could mean she stopped playing too.... Maybe her new husband didn't play and didn't want her playing (with her whoring and getting knocked up n'all). Even though it's role playing, he might've been too conservative to partake.

somewhere back it does say he played, and on the Forever Miss, say it with overacted thespian flare. If WS decided to shut down for two months, would you forever miss?

not trying to be a snarky snark btw

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Wonder if JB tried to reach SM on her cell phone? Sounds like he and Shannon's sister, concluded together, that she was missing.


http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/police-search-for-calgary-woman-who-disappeared-a-week-ago
"Madill tried to reach Burgess herself, but had no luck. She then contacted Burgess’s husband Josh, who also couldn’t reach her.

When Burgess didn’t come home, their worries intensified and they notified police on Monday.

“We found out Monday night that she’d missed a whole bunch of appointments over the weekend as well,” Madill said".

rbbm.

If he is involved, he might've worked to delay her sister to make a report to LE by down playing it or something. I'm curious how he interacted with SB's sister during this time.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

somewhere back it does say he played, and on the Forever Miss, say it with overacted thespian flare. If WS decided to shut down for two months, would you forever miss?

not trying to be a snarky snark btw

Ah yes, I just read the news article snips that News posted saying he does partake. I must stop replying before I catch up on the thread posts!! So he is familiar with the content of LARP and the roles.

It's easy to read into forever miss and dissect it, but I talk like that all the time myself so I can't really take it literally or that she said it literally. Interesting though if someone else did post it.

I know Stan, you're never snarky!

 

[Lalalacasbah]

So this photos must mean *something* as LE hasn't shown them to the family. Isn't it strange that they'd use facial recognition software instead (so far) of asking the family to look at them and possibly identify them as Shannon themselves? Whether her face isn't fully visible shouldn't matter, you can recognize a friend or family usually.

They are suppose to be artistic, so why not show the family? Macabre can be taken with a grain of salt as well. The singer Lana Del Rey gets called that all the time and she's the hipster It Girl right now and she wears flowers in her hair as do her fans to her concert.

"Madill hasn’t seen the photos yet — no one in her family has thus far." (BBM)

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/12/1...areness-to-missing-calgary-womans-case-sister

 

[LoisLane]

So this photos must mean *something* as LE hasn't shown them to the family. Isn't it strange that they'd use facial recognition software instead (so far) of asking the family to look at them and possibly identify them as Shannon themselves? Whether her face isn't fully visible shouldn't matter, you can recognize a friend or family usually.

They are suppose to be artistic, so why not show the family? Macabre can be taken with a grain of salt as well. The singer Lana Del Rey gets called that all the time and she's the hipster It Girl right now and she wears flowers in her hair as do her fans to her concert.

"Madill hasn’t seen the photos yet — no one in her family has thus far." (BBM)

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/12/1...areness-to-missing-calgary-womans-case-sister

Yes she says they are artistic and that they could be work photos if it is Shannon. So is she denying that they are Shannon or not? I wonder how all the rumours and speculation are filtering thru to the family and why LE did not address the media but instead the sister was the one to downplay the whole suspicious photos in the park. I find it all very off.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Yes she says they are artistic and that they could be work photos if it is Shannon. So is she denying that they are Shannon or not? I wonder how all the rumours and speculation are filtering thru to the family and why LE did not address the media but instead the sister was the one to downplay the whole suspicious photos in the park. I find it all very off.

Yeah, you'd think LE would do things the old fashioned way pre-software recognition and ask the family of a missing person to identify if it's their family member in a photo! Unless the photos are private artistic shots of her maybe nude or something, but I can't see her sister shuddering over nude art photos, especially knowing her sister is an expressive, artistic person.

Of course, I don't think this is the case. I think there's some evidence in those photos somehow, that's why they're not showing the family, JMO.

 

[deugirtni]

Not knowing what format the 2 photos are in.. but just wondering (probably stupidly) if it is possible to take a hardcopy picture and somehow break out the layers.. like one can do with a digital photo. I wonder if there is equipment that can do that?? I don't see how the family could realistically ID the person in the photos if the face is obscured. It would, to me, be too easy to jump and say, 'yes that's her', but just based on something less than reliable, like hair color or something. I'm thinking if they are using 'facial recognition software', but without a face, it would be more in trying to say, yes, this person has the exact same shape and size of head, or something, but otherwise, how could it possibly identify anything if the face is covered up?

Another thing about the photo that I was hating to wonder about.. is whether it might somehow be possible for them to tell i)if it is a 'real' photo or if it is tampered with, ie the things covering the face, were they actually ON the fact when the photo was taken, or were they added in digitally after the face was taken?.. ii)can they somehow tell if the person in the photo is dead or alive? I was wondering if that might be why they didn't let family see it yet. Or.. depending on what kind of material the pics are made of, is it possible for them to get prints from them? If laminated, prints could be obtained if person(s) weren't wearing gloves.. or if a polaroid pic.. but I guess not if just a sheet of printer paper.

It really seems to me like the poor family, at least the sister who is the media contact, is totally in denial. How sad.

That woman in the pic, she's probably someone's girlfriend, or with the guy in the truck? Detective? Undercover?

They have said that homicide has been informed about this case, but that it hasnt' taken over the investigation. Is it not normal protocol for missing persons cases to be handled by homicide? So why isn't this one being handled by homicide?

I guess we know for sure now that the couple was in fact separated, due to the sister's remarks about them 'still getting along'. So in that case, I wonder how long they've been apart? And how horrible is it living together under those circumstances, ie I would think it would be terribly difficult to continue being in the same home, perhaps due to inability to afford two separate homes?.. and havng one of them treating the other with no consideration or respect, as in telling them where they're off to, for how long, etc. Even roommates should have a clue when one another is returning? And since they were not 'together', it makes sense to me that he would have had no clue that she didn't have her phone with her, or that she hadn't been in contact with her family or anyone until he was told so by the family on the Monday. That is the problem when people don't communicate there plans/whereabouts, etc. for whatever reasons. I'm picturing SB leaving him completely out of her picture, thinking he has no right to know where, when, how, who, etc., and then him not having a clue, and then looking guilty because he should have known. It wouldn't surprise me either way, if it was him, or if it wasn't him, if she ends up not being alive. MOO

 

[news.talk]

Not knowing what format the 2 photos are in.. but just wondering (probably stupidly) if it is possible to take a hardcopy picture and somehow break out the layers.. like one can do with a digital photo. I wonder if there is equipment that can do that?? I don't see how the family could realistically ID the person in the photos if the face is obscured. It would, to me, be too easy to jump and say, 'yes that's her', but just based on something less than reliable, like hair color or something. I'm thinking if they are using 'facial recognition software', but without a face, it would be more in trying to say, yes, this person has the exact same shape and size of head, or something, but otherwise, how could it possibly identify anything if the face is covered up?

Another thing about the photo that I was hating to wonder about.. is whether it might somehow be possible for them to tell i)if it is a 'real' photo or if it is tampered with, ie the things covering the face, were they actually ON the fact when the photo was taken, or were they added in digitally after the face was taken?.. ii)can they somehow tell if the person in the photo is dead or alive? I was wondering if that might be why they didn't let family see it yet. Or.. depending on what kind of material the pics are made of, is it possible for them to get prints from them? If laminated, prints could be obtained if person(s) weren't wearing gloves.. or if a polaroid pic.. but I guess not if just a sheet of printer paper.

It really seems to me like the poor family, at least the sister who is the media contact, is totally in denial. How sad.

That woman in the pic, she's probably someone's girlfriend, or with the guy in the truck? Detective? Undercover?

They have said that homicide has been informed about this case, but that it hasnt' taken over the investigation. Is it not normal protocol for missing persons cases to be handled by homicide? So why isn't this one being handled by homicide?

I guess we know for sure now that the couple was in fact separated, due to the sister's remarks about them 'still getting along'. So in that case, I wonder how long they've been apart? And how horrible is it living together under those circumstances, ie I would think it would be terribly difficult to continue being in the same home, perhaps due to inability to afford two separate homes?.. and havng one of them treating the other with no consideration or respect, as in telling them where they're off to, for how long, etc. Even roommates should have a clue when one another is returning? And since they were not 'together', it makes sense to me that he would have had no clue that she didn't have her phone with her, or that she hadn't been in contact with her family or anyone until he was told so by the family on the Monday. That is the problem when people don't communicate there plans/whereabouts, etc. for whatever reasons. I'm picturing SB leaving him completely out of her picture, thinking he has no right to know where, when, how, who, etc., and then him not having a clue, and then looking guilty because he should have known. It wouldn't surprise me either way, if it was him, or if it wasn't him, if she ends up not being alive. MOO

Stay out of my head! LOL.

I had similar thoughts. Every comment the sister has made has been skewed by denial. I think she refuses to believe the worst and is clinging on to every faint hope. Totally understandable.

I also thought that the reason LE have not shown the pictures to family, is that it portrays a person dead - the flowers covering her body and face as if buried. If they truly believed that they were simply acting photos, they would ask a family member to identify which production and if that was her. While they may like to trot out their new toy, I highly doubt they would go to the time and personnel expense when dealing with a time sensitive issue like a missing person, if they were not dealing with some gruesome pictures they didn't want family seeing or because it could very well end up an integral clue in a homicide.

I suspect homicide is either involved or acting in an advisory capacity at this point.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

somewhere back it does say he played, and on the Forever Miss, say it with overacted thespian flare. If WS decided to shut down for two months, would you forever miss?

not trying to be a snarky snark btw

A snarky snark reply might be not missing is as simple as not missing. There are other winter events... like on the night she "left". Would you "forever miss" news.talk if you knew WS was down for maintainance for a month? Would you?

 

[ep2002]

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Note that the date/time stamp is from *my* FB, so it is I believe showing this in Eastern Standard Time; Can someone in Calgary let us know what time it is stamped in Calgary?

November 26 at 10:06pm

 

[jillybean51]

Perhaps that was the reason for such a quick decision to get married?jmo

 

[deugirtni]

To me, that statement meant 'the investigation' is related to SB, rather than that it was confirmed that the 'photos and scene' are related. If SB or other young women were not gone missing in Calgary recently, and LE had come across these photos hanging on trees, would an investigation have been initiated? IMOO, I doubt it, unless perhaps a short sweep of the area to see if anything else bizarre would be found. Would the people who saw these photos have notified police? I don't know, if 'macabre', then perhaps they would have still notified LE.

It is interesting that both parties who came upon each of the two separate photos, as far as I can tell, did contact LE on their own (else, how would LE know who each of the two parties was? It isn't like LE went looking for THEM).. and then LE seemed to immediately start investigating this situation with a feeling it could be related to SB.. so it leads me to wonder about these photos they have not yet shown the family. Either they must have *really* mimicked SB's appearance, or something about them must have been really disturbing, otherwise, why call. MOO.

Here's a quote from The Sun and Canoe (same article, different publication) that says the photos/scene is related, however note it says also multiple sources, so not sure the sources are legit even (BBM):

"Multiple sources told the Sun the investigation is related to the disappearance of 25-year-old Shannon Burgess, who was last seen nearly three weeks ago."

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/12/1...fish-creek-park-after-mysterious-photos-found
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2014/12/17/22136986.html

 

[deugirtni]

Hey!! You could be on to something there! It had not occurred to me that when SB made that comment, she could have in fact been referring to her own husband! I had only assumed that she had been referring to some *other guy* whom she was *missing*... but.. definitely it could have been instead referring to her husband, whom perhaps has changed much since those times? She may have simply been longing for simpler times when life was fun, while meanwhile hubby had become mr.regular.government.worker, trying to be adult and worrying about everyday mundane things such as paying bills and holding down a job, paying rent, keeping food in the house, and all the fun realities of living as adults.

Perhaps that was the reason for such a quick decision to get married?jmo