Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #2 *Arrest*

[LayzeeDayzee]

Well with all due respect if her own family doesn't seem to be too concerned, she's not listed in any missing persons databases, LE is not giving out more info, no searches are being organized, then why should we here at WS pursue this case? There seems to be nothing left to pursue.

Three weeks ago, Jan 16, 12:43 pm, CPS FB page responded to the question:

Q: "Is Shannon Burgess still missing?"

A: "Yes, unfortunately she is still missing."

from:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...s/10153005023044530+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

Could we please proceed sleuthing based on the premise that Shannon is still officially a missing person who needs to be found, rather than speculate that she has been located when there is nothing official to substantiate that.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Well with all due respect if her own family doesn't seem to be too concerned, she's not listed in any missing persons databases, LE is not giving out more info, no searches are being organized, then why should we here at WS pursue this case? There seems to be nothing left to pursue.

It's always the jilted lover. So start there.

 

[evafiore]

Well with all due respect if her own family doesn't seem to be too concerned, she's not listed in any missing persons databases, LE is not giving out more info, no searches are being organized, then why should we here at WS pursue this case? There seems to be nothing left to pursue.

I had the same thoughts, which is why I was stressing the importance of confirming that the search is still active. It is, according to CPS.

And you're absolutely right, there seems to be nothing left to pursue. I'm thinking this lack of information could be due to one of the following:

--actual lack of information (LE/family really just don't know, though wouldn't they be appealing more to the public if this were the case?)

--information that points to homicide (in which case, silence is common in the beginning. This fits with the family's non-commentary, but not general lightheartedness on social media. Denial, maybe?)

--information that points to willful disappearance (LE/family are pretty sure/know she's fine and they jumped the gun on the press conference. Fits with lightheartedness and silence. Could also explain why she left her phone, she may have been afraid her location could be traced. And what's with her OK Cupid profile's Last Online date of December 12, 2014?)

Frustrating, any way you look at it.

 

[LoisLane]

Well with all due respect if her own family doesn't seem to be too concerned, she's not listed in any missing persons databases, LE is not giving out more info, no searches are being organized, then why should we here at WS pursue this case? There seems to be nothing left to pursue.

We may not have much to pursue but we are still concerned. I hope for the families sake they are comfortable with where the investigation sits and they have some sort of verified conclusion.

I personally would be putting out more of an effort to keep my family member in the spotlight and if at this point there was no conclusion from LE that I was comfortable with I would definetly go public whether it was thru a website, blog or FB group. Or maybe they think that is a waist of time or have been advised not to as it would compromise the investigation.

Or maybe the public and WS has proven to be not helpful and instead they have a tight network of friends contributing to the search privately.

 

[LoisLane]

This is a thread started for another recent missing woman in Calgary. The family has already set up a FB page in an effort to find answers.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...berta-29-January-2015&p=11480662#post11480662

 

[news.talk]

This is a thread started for another recent missing woman in Calgary. The family has already set up a FB page in an effort to find answers.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...berta-29-January-2015&p=11480662#post11480662

It is certainly odd that this woman also left on foot and hasn't been seen since. Similar to SB.

 

[evafiore]

It is certainly odd that this woman also left on foot and hasn't been seen since. Similar to SB.

LoisLane, you mentioned an interesting point on PO's thread about CPS dismissing the case due to her history of attention-seeking behaviour. Might that be applicable to SB's case? It's being treated differently by LE as they now have reason to believe she's just looking for attention?

She IS an actress...

 

[evafiore]

The only thing specified was "location" and "contact information". No consent is required regarding "safe", "alive" or "case closed".

CPS reached out to the public, and therefore should, and I suspect would, give the public notice of a resolution.

I don't have time to search endlessly for press releases, especially to televised news organizations, but with regards to the cases being put forward as 'found without notice given', how certain are you that you simply haven't found the notice?

Found some more cases of people (e.g., Blade Johnson, Rebekah Middel, Erica Lin Lawrence, Allison Lepard) going missing, with no apparent announcements stating that they were found, despite evidence indicating otherwise (please correct me if I'm wrong). All in Alberta, in the last few months. Not saying that it's definitely applicable to SB's case, but good to know for WSers.

Makes sense to me---in most cases, it's life-threatening if someone is missing, and not so dangerous if they've been found. LE releases the statement to protect the missing, and doesn't release a "found" statement, to protect their privacy.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

It is certainly odd that this woman also left on foot and hasn't been seen since. Similar to SB.

SB left on foot?

 

[LoisLane]

SB left on foot?

Hard to know for sure! I guess it would be safer to say that in both cases both woman's cars are parked at their residence.

I wonder how the info of PO leaving her home on foot was confirmed.

 

[LoisLane]

LoisLane, you mentioned an interesting point on PO's thread about CPS dismissing the case due to her history of attention-seeking behaviour. Might that be applicable to SB's case? It's being treated differently by LE as they now have reason to believe she's just looking for attention?

She IS an actress...

It could be but the family of SB have said that this is out of the ordinary for Shannon to go missing, so I believe that this meant she has not gone missing before. My understanding of Patricia Overes is that the police have dealt with her as a missing person prior to now.

 

[evafiore]

It could be but the family of SB have said that this is out of the ordinary for Shannon to go missing, so I believe that this meant she has not gone missing before. My understanding of Patricia Overes is that the police have dealt with her as a missing person prior to now.

Thanks. I was more interested in the statement as an observation of how CPS handles cases---why they would transition from high-profile press conference to low/no profile within a month. Perhaps SB was initially seen as endangered, but then evidence (i.e., she seemed to be headed to Toronto or Vancouver) acquired post-press conference indicated that it was a willful disappearance and/or she was attention-seeking? Her family said it was unlikely, but we do know that she can be impulsive...

Just thinking.

 

[Sillybilly]

Well with all due respect if her own family doesn't seem to be too concerned, she's not listed in any missing persons databases, LE is not giving out more info, no searches are being organized, then why should we here at WS pursue this case? There seems to be nothing left to pursue.

With equal respect to those who feel this case is no longer sleuthable, there are lots of other cases they might consider. I don't think it should be a showstopper on Shannon's case just because some folks feel she has disappeared of her own volition.

Sleuthing is a funny thing ... you can go weeks and find nothing and then all of a sudden, TADA ... you only find something when/if you keep looking.

 

[evafiore]

With equal respect to those who feel this case is no longer sleuthable, there are lots of other cases they might consider. I don't think it should be a showstopper on Shannon's case just because some folks feel she has disappeared of her own volition.

Sleuthing is a funny thing ... you can go weeks and find nothing and then all of a sudden, TADA ... you only find something when/if you keep looking.

Completely agree. And I hope that my efforts aren't being misinterpreted---I don't feel that we should stop sleuthing. Since so much has been covered already and we've not been given much to work with in the last month, I feel it would be most beneficial to look at what we've been given in a different light. Even if she may have disappeared of her own volition, it does not make her out of danger. Also, the fact that the case is still open and LE and the family so silent is a mystery on its own.

 

[LoisLane]

Completely agree. And I hope that my efforts aren't being misinterpreted---I don't feel that we should stop sleuthing. Since so much has been covered already and we've not been given much to work with in the last month, I feel it would be most beneficial to look at what we've been given in a different light. Even if she may have disappeared of her own volition, it does not make her out of danger. Also, the fact that the case is still open and LE and the family so silent is a mystery on its own.

Your fresh-eyes perspective is much appreciated.

 

[dennisfedak81]

I doubt she disappeared on her own volition. CPS remains silent during investigations so the suspects let their guard down. Using such tools as the electronic surveilance unit, strike force, forensic, etc..they will pin down the perp eventually. I believe there is a method to this apparent madness including the family's appearant light hearted banter on face book and other social media. This is not by chance...they have been coached. They may have located Shannon already (body) ...but are continuing the investigation.(Was the police activity at fish creek park reported accurately...or was a body perhaps found? ) Many facts have not been disclosed...but I will agree with one point made earlier...it almost seems like the search phase of this is over...CPS produced a very good and interesting video called "Anatomy of an Investigation" that gives great insight into their techniques including the amount of time involved. I would highly reccomend it. As far as Shannon...Likely deceased and there are already suspects. Her disappearance from the radar is no accident!

Moo...but I think the sleuthing could focus on who the perp might be. There are clues that she may have lived a somewhat risky or risque lifestyle. At the very least it seems clear that logic and reason were not always her main guide in life. Many questions exist regarding her "recreational activities" and lifestyle. How did she make money? Has this been answered? Who was she "hooking up" with? Was it a regular or many different guys and gals? Or maybe the ex was upset about the divorce. There are many possibilities. Did things perhaps go bad on the casting couch after meeting a director online who promised to make her a star?

This will all come out in the end as there is clearly a serious police operation/investigation ongoing here. We must all be patient. Unless it can be figured out by the investigators on this site!

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I doubt she disappeared on her own volition. CPS remains silent during investigations so the suspects let their guard down. Using such tools as the electronic surveilance unit, strike force, forensic, etc..they will pin down the perp eventually. I believe there is a method to this apparent madness including the family's appearant light hearted banter on face book and other social media. This is not by chance...they have been coached. They may have located Shannon already (body) ...but are continuing the investigation.(Was the police activity at fish creek park reported accurately...or was a body perhaps found? ) Many facts have not been disclosed...but I will agree with one point made earlier...it almost seems like the search phase of this is over...CPS produced a very good and interesting video called "Anatomy of an Investigation" that gives great insight into their techniques including the amount of time involved. I would highly reccomend it. As far as Shannon...Likely deceased and there are already suspects. Her disappearance from the radar is no accident!

Moo...but I think the sleuthing could focus on who the perp might be. There are clues that she may have lived a somewhat risky or risque lifestyle. At the very least it seems clear that logic and reason were not always her main guide in life. Many questions exist regarding her "recreational activities" and lifestyle. How did she make money? Has this been answered? Who was she "hooking up" with? Was it a regular or many different guys and gals? Or maybe the ex was upset about the divorce. There are many possibilities. Did things perhaps go bad on the casting couch after meeting a director online who promised to make her a star?

This will all come out in the end as there is clearly a serious police operation/investigation ongoing here. We must all be patient. Unless it can be figured out by the investigators on this site!

I can't recall a case, in Canada that is, where the discovery of a body was kept from the public in order to further an investigation.

 

[dennisfedak81]

True. It would be a first. But it seemed the whole photo taped to tree thing and subsequent heavy police presence was unusual as well.

 

[Sillybilly]

I doubt she disappeared on her own volition. CPS remains silent during investigations so the suspects let their guard down. Using such tools as the electronic surveilance unit, strike force, forensic, etc..they will pin down the perp eventually. I believe there is a method to this apparent madness including the family's appearant light hearted banter on face book and other social media. This is not by chance...they have been coached. They may have located Shannon already (body) ...but are continuing the investigation.(Was the police activity at fish creek park reported accurately...or was a body perhaps found? ) Many facts have not been disclosed...but I will agree with one point made earlier...it almost seems like the search phase of this is over...CPS produced a very good and interesting video called "Anatomy of an Investigation" that gives great insight into their techniques including the amount of time involved. I would highly reccomend it. As far as Shannon...Likely deceased and there are already suspects. Her disappearance from the radar is no accident!

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That's pretty much my take at this point DF (with the exception of a body having been found).

 

[evafiore]

I can't recall a case, in Canada that is, where the discovery of a body was kept from the public in order to further an investigation.

There was one case recently (Laura Babcock) in which LE may have chosen not to release that a body had been located (sorry it's from The Star, first thing I found). Its announcement was followed by heavy media discussion, much of it focusing on the rarity of a first degree murder charge without a body. Though it doesn't say exactly how common it is for police not to reveal that a body has been located, it does insinuate it is possible, albeit extremely rare.

Also, it might be important to note that there has been a complaint launched against LE for handling Laura's disappearance negligently.