Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #3 *Arrest*

[OutOfTheDarkness]

What can happen when investigators approach a case with a one-track mind: anyone remember the case of Mistie Murray? I knew her and her family. Or from further back, Lynne Harper? (Yet another from my community, most people are more familiar with the name of the accused, Steven Truscott---looks like my area's had our share of talented LE!). Because of LE's gross incompetence, no one will ever know what happened to Mistie, whether it was her father, someone else, or she disappeared willfully. Same with Lynne---rumour is her killer died years ago, never formally accused. LE's hasty actions and dismissal of anything other than what they wanted to believe spoiled the investigations.

Another article about Lynne: http://www.goderichsignalstar.com/2015/01/04/the-search-for-lynne-harper

And something from a time when the CBC used to fire hosts for "unprofessional" behaviour rather than turning a blind eye. (note to self: compassion for women bad at CBC, but abusing them is okay and can be overlooked... :thinking. *By posting this, I'm not asserting guilt or innocence of anyone in SB's case, but emphasizing the potential tragedy that can come from faulty investigation.

Indeed.

... but as you can see here, the possibilities are endless, the case can go cold, and as new cases pour in... with limited resources, what do you do?

 

[evafiore]

Indeed.

... but as you can see here, the possibilities are endless, the case can go cold, and as new cases pour in... with limited resources, what do you do?

Speculate, but don't dismiss certain possibilities as impossible.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

... and sometimes... your pants are too tight and your thumbs just don't fit.

Some people are also hyper aware of their body positioning socially, and don't want to be aware of their hand movements in difficult situations, so they immobilize them.

Some people are also aware that they are being analyzed and don't want to appear threatening, so they take a more submissive posture.

Yeah, people can take my post about pockets how they want. As I said, I like having my hands in my pockets not because I'm hiding anything or being deceitful but because I find it casual when I'm feeling relaxed. I thought it was just interesting how hands and gestures are so important for media training for those in the limelight. And it's quite interesting how there's a negative connotation attached to hands in pockets, and I'm still quite weary of JB.

 

[deugirtni]

The way I took this thing about the sister calling JB and having to wait... is that she called while he was working/at work, and he had to wait until he was finished work before he could go home to see if she was there. I don't get from wherever that story was written, that JB just simply ignored the call, I took it that he physically wanted to go and look to see if she WAS at the house... and if that feeling is correct, then that could give more credence to that he may have been staying elsewhere.

He can be out of touch as much as he wants, but when his wife is missing for five days, to the extent that her family is frantic, it's not okay to ignore the calls until the end of the day.

The husband shares a home with his wife, Shannon. They last saw each other at 12:30AM Nov 27 at the home that they shared.

Shannon has not been seen by anyone after being with friends in Edmonton late on Nov 26.

 

[evafiore]

Yeah, people can take my post about pockets how they want. As I said, I like having my hands in my pockets not because I'm hiding anything or being deceitful but because I find it casual when I'm feeling relaxed. I thought it was just interesting how hands and gestures are so important for media training for those in the limelight. And it's quite interesting how there's a negative connotation attached to hands in pockets, and I'm still quite weary of JB.

It's funny you mentioned it---I'd noticed the pocket thing as well. I was also wondering about why he didn't wear his glasses. Reminded me of something I was told about not wearing glasses to a job interview as they make you seem untrustworthy (I don't believe it, but some people do I guess). Maybe he was coached before the presser on how he presented himself? Or he did some research on his own?

 

[deugirtni]

I think (from memory) that it wasn't noticed until Monday that SB hadn't been seen in awhile.. wasn't it on Monday sometime that the sister asked the father, and from there it went?

Her family also didn't hear from her for the exact same period, and wasn't concerned until she didn't show up to meet one of them... and even then it took them 24 hours to contact police.

I don't recall anyone saying she went out that night after getting home.

If there is a lifestyle involved here, especially if it is for income, then anything is possible, including a 'regular' picking her up at any point, even a day or two after she was last seen. It is entirely possible the husband isn't a suspect, and police are looking closer at a lover, client, or dating site aquaintance.

 

[deugirtni]

Hmm, that is a very good point, imho. If indeed JB is the ONLY one who has 'evidence' that she was seen in Calgary, at her home, then do we really know for sure that she ever really did arrive safely back home from Edmonton? Imho, SB's FB post wherein she is sad because she returned too late to Calgary to attend something she had planned on attending, suggests that she WAS already in Calgary when she wrote that.

As per my earlier 'potential theory' about.. what iffffff SB couldn't afford to fix her brakes when she said they went for a shat, and say the mechanic told her it could wait until she got back, but yet she was too afraid/nervous to drive it.. and asked old faithful to come and pick her up.. I don't know.. then the cars wouldn't have both made it back to the house. I was going to say.. what if something happened to her in transit and she didnt' ever really reach the house. But that FB posts says otherwise, unless she posted it while in transit from her phone which may have a dataplan?

... other than the husband.

For the record, Shannon was not see by her friends in Edmonton after she left Edmonton on Nov 26 ... that is, there's an information gap between lots of friends in Edmonton, and last seen.

Is that true?

No one saw Shannon after she left Edmonton ... except her husband, and he absent-mindedly didn't notice that she was missing for five day, didn't think to contact anyone in her family about the fact that he hadn't seen his wife for four days, no one had seen her, her cell phone was at home, her car was at home, he hadn't seen her for five days, and he saw no reason to notify authorities about his wife's disappearance.

No wonder her family is worried!

 

[deugirtni]

Something that is standing out for *me* right now, is that SB's sister apparently stated that SB could be in distress. Why would she say that, or think that, since she has also stated that SB and JB get along quite well actually? What would led her to say she could be in distress? The circumstances of what JB reports as their last conversation? Or is it another newspaper confabulation?

Personally, I think LE are waiting for a development in the case because their hands are kind of tied. Considering the cost of a full investigation, how many missing persons there are, and all of the other crime going on.. considering that SB is an adult and there is no known indication of foul play.. considering that the family doesn't seem to be pushing, and doesn't suspect the usual culprits, and appear to be taking at face value whatever it is that her estranged spouse told them.. what more can they really do, other than keep their eye and ear out for her, or for news. But look how quickly they reacted when the photos at Fish Creek Park were found. Once they have a body, I'm sure any investigation will perk up and perhaps any suspicions they have right now can then be followed up on more fully. MOO

 

[evafiore]

As per my earlier 'potential theory' about.. what iffffff SB couldn't afford to fix her brakes when she said they went for a shat, and say the mechanic told her it could wait until she got back, but yet she was too afraid/nervous to drive it.. and asked old faithful to come and pick her up.. I don't know.. then the cars wouldn't have both made it back to the house. I was going to say.. what if something happened to her in transit and she didnt' ever really reach the house. But that FB posts says otherwise, unless she posted it while in transit from her phone which may have a dataplan?

Is it possible that maybe she found out her brakes were shot before she went to Edmonton, and got there and back with someone or she bussed it? Has someone found any details on how long she was in Edmonton for?

I'm curious about brakes situation---were they still unrepaired on Monday when they noticed the car parked in the driveway? Could that be why she left it behind? (If she left?)

Also, was thinking about the wording of her post... didn't get back to Calgary and haven't gotten back insiniate different things...and if she were rushed or multitasking she may have been slightly inaccurate...what was the exact phrase she used (can't find it now)?

 

[deugirtni]

Here is SB's timeline post from last thread:

02-26-2015, 04:57 AM #1030
sillybilly

(added 9:15 post to YukYuks)

Nov 25 @ 11:54 pm Alberta time, SB posted on FB that breaks went for $h!t (no location showing)
Nov 25 @ 11:58 pm Alberta time, a DM pointed out her spelling error re "breaks"
Nov 26 @ 12:02 am Alberta time, SM acknowledged DM's spelling correction and edited her earlier post to "brakes"
Nov 26 @ 9:15 pm Alberta time, SM posts on YukYuks FB “So sad I didn’t make it back into Calgary in time for the show”
Nov 26 @ 10:06 pm Alberta time, SM made her last post wrt "missing the man ... funzies ..."

 

[Sillybilly]

FWIW, the current schedule for Yuk Yuks indicates that Wednesday night shows seem to be at 7:30 pm only.

https://www.yukyuks.com/index.cfm?action=club.showdetails&venueID=2408

 

[deugirtni]

This is all I can find in relation to November 26, 2014 at the YY in Calgary: starts at 7:30pm, with the 'Workshop' at 6:30pm.. wonder what time it ends? Is Open Mic Workshop the same as the Development Night event, or would that be in regard to the 'Workshop' beforehand?

https://www.yukyuks.com/index.cfm?action=club.showdetails&venueID=2408

 

[otto]

Is it possible that maybe she found out her brakes were shot before she went to Edmonton, and got there and back with someone or she bussed it? Has someone found any details on how long she was in Edmonton for?

I'm curious about brakes situation---were they still unrepaired on Monday when they noticed the car parked in the driveway? Could that be why she left it behind? (If she left?)

Also, was thinking about the wording of her post... didn't get back to Calgary and haven't gotten back insiniate different things...and if she were rushed or multitasking she may have been slightly inaccurate...what was the exact phrase she used (can't find it now)?

The car was at her home, so someone drove the car from Edmonton to Calgary. She could not have driven home at speeds of 140km/hr without brakes, so doesn't it seem like she had to have them repaired before driving home? Wouldn't that be the reason that she returned late?

 

[evafiore]

The car was at her home, so someone drove the car from Edmonton to Calgary. She could not have driven home at speeds of 140km/hr without brakes, so doesn't it seem like she had to have them repaired before driving home? Wouldn't that be the reason that she returned late?

How do we know she drove the car to Edmonton in the first place? I've been looking for confirmation of that, but can't find it anywhere

 

[otto]

Something that is standing out for *me* right now, is that SB's sister apparently stated that SB could be in distress. Why would she say that, or think that, since she has also stated that SB and JB get along quite well actually? What would led her to say she could be in distress? The circumstances of what JB reports as their last conversation? Or is it another newspaper confabulation?

Personally, I think LE are waiting for a development in the case because their hands are kind of tied. Considering the cost of a full investigation, how many missing persons there are, and all of the other crime going on.. considering that SB is an adult and there is no known indication of foul play.. considering that the family doesn't seem to be pushing, and doesn't suspect the usual culprits, and appear to be taking at face value whatever it is that her estranged spouse told them.. what more can they really do, other than keep their eye and ear out for her, or for news. But look how quickly they reacted when the photos at Fish Creek Park were found. Once they have a body, I'm sure any investigation will perk up and perhaps any suspicions they have right now can then be followed up on more fully. MOO

Although there is no indication of foul play, the fact that Shannon fell of the face of the earth in itself suggest that something is amiss. Would she commit suicide after a weekend in Edmonton where she got the part? ... where her career had just taken a jump forward? ... where reportedly she saw many friends and was happy? when she had plans for the evening and seemed to regret that she couldn't make those plans? ... where she had plans to go out with her brother on the weekend? What could possibly have happened that she would want to kill herself? If she was suicidal, wouldn't she drive home at 140 km/hr with no brakes? Did she have her brakes fixed in order to ensure that she would survive the trip, or did she drive home without brakes?

If she had the brakes fixed, she was not suicidal, so her disappearance would be something that was not her choice.

 

[otto]

How do we know she drove the car to Edmonton in the first place? I've been looking for confirmation of that, but can't find it anywhere

Don't we know that she drove something to Edmonton simply because she had problems with her brakes?

 

[otto]

Hmm, that is a very good point, imho. If indeed JB is the ONLY one who has 'evidence' that she was seen in Calgary, at her home, then do we really know for sure that she ever really did arrive safely back home from Edmonton? Imho, SB's FB post wherein she is sad because she returned too late to Calgary to attend something she had planned on attending, suggests that she WAS already in Calgary when she wrote that.

As per my earlier 'potential theory' about.. what iffffff SB couldn't afford to fix her brakes when she said they went for a shat, and say the mechanic told her it could wait until she got back, but yet she was too afraid/nervous to drive it.. and asked old faithful to come and pick her up.. I don't know.. then the cars wouldn't have both made it back to the house. I was going to say.. what if something happened to her in transit and she didnt' ever really reach the house. But that FB posts says otherwise, unless she posted it while in transit from her phone which may have a dataplan?

It seems to me that anyone that would drive 300km without brakes on a road where other vehicles are traveling at speeds of 100-160km/hr would have to be completely suicidal. That, in itself, would be a situation of toying with death via horrific vehicle accident. If Shannon were prepared to accept that situation, whether she were driving or a passenger, then she wouldn't have been late for the appointment at Yuk Yuks ... that is, she would have cast caution to the wind and either died in an horrific car crash, or arrived in Calgary in time for the show. Doesn't the fact that she was late suggest that the brake problem was the cause of the delay ... and imply that she wasn't suicidal?

 

[Sillybilly]

How do we know she drove the car to Edmonton in the first place? I've been looking for confirmation of that, but can't find it anywhere

Valid question ... given she knew Tuesday night that the brakes were shot, did she decide not to chance the trip to Edmonton in her own vehicle the next day. That therefore begs the question, how might she have gone to Edmonton otherwise (bus/friend/SO) .. OR depending on what time her appointment was in Edmonton, did she have time to get the brakes fixed Wednesday morning in Calgary before heading out?

Do we know what year and make her vehicle was?

 

[Sillybilly]

Re hands in pockets .. in that same presser, the person I think is SMB's bro also has his hands in his pockets (sans hooked thumbs )

http://i.cbc.ca/1.2862834.141782995...riginal_300/shannon-madill-burgess-family.jpg

 

[otto]

I think (from memory) that it wasn't noticed until Monday that SB hadn't been seen in awhile.. wasn't it on Monday sometime that the sister asked the father, and from there it went?

Didn't Shannon have plans with her brother on Sunday evening ... plans that were made the previous Tuesday? When her brother couldn't contact her, he checked with their dad, and then it snowballed to the point where Erin, Shannon's sister, tried calling Shannon's husband on Monday ... and he didn't respond to her until after he returned home from work on Monday evening? Immediately after Erin spoke with Shannon's husband, she contacted police. Clearly something he said caused a huge concern for Erin and her family, and clearly Shannon's husband was not concerned enough to contact Shannon's family or the police.

I have to wonder ... if Erin had not contacted police, would Shannon's husband still be acting as though nothing was wrong?