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[magic-cat]

Casey may be bi-polar IN ADDITION TO being a SOCIOPATH, but bi-polar people do not fit her M.O. She has not just "had an episode". She has BEEN this person that she is for a very long time, and that is a fact. She has stolen from everyone she knows, and used her parents and friends without mercy. She cares for nothing and nobody BUT Casey, and everything that she does is about her own self gratification. This is CLASSIC sociopath NOT bi-polar. Bi-polars have mood swings and experience the depths of torment and the heights of glory, but they do not murder their children without batting an eye. I have to agree with onelostgirl that Casey does not fit the pattern for bi-polar disorder. She doesn't fit the mold...She IS a sociopath and she may have a cruelty/saddism factor added in, but bi-polar does not fit for me...

 

[Sassynic]

Casey may be bi-polar IN ADDITION TO being a SOCIOPATH, but bi-polar people do not fit her M.O. She has not just "had an episode". She has BEEN this person that she is for a very long time, and that is a fact. She has stolen from everyone she knows, and used her parents and friends without mercy. She cares for nothing and nobody BUT Casey, and everything that she does is about her own self gratification. This is CLASSIC sociopath NOT bi-polar. Bi-polars have mood swings and experience the depths of torment and the heights of glory, but they do not murder their children without batting an eye. I have to agree with onelostgirl that Casey does not fit the pattern for bi-polar disorder. She doesn't fit the mold...She IS a sociopath and she may have a cruelty/saddism factor added in, but bi-polar does not fit for me...

ITA! :clap:

 

[JBean]

you guys are pretty far offtopic. You might want to go here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73033

 

[LCoastMom]

I sure wouldn't trust a nurse to tell me what my health problems may or may not be.

If you ever spent anytime in a hospital you've been diagnosed by a nurse. Doctors count on nurse's abilities to recognize subtle changes in patients and to notify them so they can treat the patient accordingly.

Doctors don't just waltz in to a hospital room at the appropriate minute and save someones life, a nurse called him while he was at home with his feet up and told him to get his a$$ to the hospital.

At the end of the day the doctor writes the course of treatment and signs his name to the paperwork saying s/he's responsible for you. That, and all those years in school is why the doctor makes the big bucks. (tongue firmly placed in my cheek)

 

[LCoastMom]

Question for posters who have worked in jails/prisons (or anyone who might know): if KC has a hard time in jail physically, emotionally, etc, can clergy or a doctor arrange to get her some relief in there? Or does she have to simply "tough it out?"

Are you asking would she be given medication if needed? I believe the answer is yes. They in no way want her to be damaged by her incarceration, the county could be held responsible.

 

[Oakley]

Are you asking would she be given medication if needed? I believe the answer is yes. They in no way want her to be damaged by her incarceration, the county could be held responsible.

I understand she is in jail with no bond. I am having a hard time putting my question into words. I'll try again: If KC were to become very depressed or very anxious in jail, other than medicate her, what else might they do? Would they rearrange her living conditions there? Or make any other changes? I'm sorry if this is unclear. If so, it's not you, it's me.

 

[Sassynic]

I understand she is in jail with no bond. I am having a hard time putting my question into words. I'll try again: If KC were to become very depressed or very anxious in jail, other than medicate her, what else might they do? Would they rearrange her living conditions there? Or make any other changes? I'm sorry if this is unclear. If so, it's not you, it's me.

my guess is they would put her on suicide watch if they thought she couldn't handle it.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

I understand she is in jail with no bond. I am having a hard time putting my question into words. I'll try again: If KC were to become very depressed or very anxious in jail, other than medicate her, what else might they do? Would they rearrange her living conditions there? Or make any other changes? I'm sorry if this is unclear. If so, it's not you, it's me.

Hi, Lacey. I am familiar with the county near where I live. Very large with a jail population of around 7600. In the single cell area the gaurds are required to visually check each inmate every 15 minutes. If they see an inmate behaving strangely they report it to the psych department. The inmate is evaluated and given psych meds if needed. If it is determined the inmate is suicidal- everything comes out of the cell- clothes and all- and they are given a paper sheet for as long as needed. There are also counselors/social workers/psychologists that provide weekly/bi-weekly counseling sessions. These are not protected by dr/pt privilege and can be used by the state/defense atty if so needed.

 

[Oakley]

Hi, Lacey. I am familiar with the county near where I live. Very large with a jail population of around 7600. In the single cell area the gaurds are required to visually check each inmate every 15 minutes. If they see an inmate behaving strangely they report it to the psych department. The inmate is evaluated and given psych meds if needed. If it is determined the inmate is suicidal- everything comes out of the cell- clothes and all- and they are given a paper sheet for as long as needed. There are also counselors/social workers/psychologists that provide weekly/bi-weekly counseling sessions. These are not protected by dr/pt privilege and can be used by the state/defense atty if so needed.

Thank you, alwaysonmymind. That is very interesting, especially the part about the mental health professionals not being protected by dr/pt privilege. Maybe what I was trying to ask is would they, short of medication, do anything to alleviate her anxiety (e.g., put her on home confinement again, or move her to a more comfortable cell, make some sort of allowance, etc.) Probably not.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Thank you, alwaysonmymind. That is very interesting, especially the part about the mental health professionals not being protected by dr/pt privilege. Maybe what I was trying to ask is would they, short of medication, do anything to alleviate her anxiety (e.g., put her on home confinement again, or move her to a more comfortable cell, make some sort of allowance, etc.) Probably not.

Who, the minister? no. Though I don't doubt she thinks she can somehow manipulate him.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Add to your lay diagnosis the fact that friends of Casey have said that she was bipolar. She has seen a psychologist counselor while confined and that individual may have an opinion of her mental state but we haven't seen any psychiatric evaluation (from a court psychiatrist). She had a seizure at the end of last year. There may be some hospital record from that time, with comments.

The two poles of bi-polarity are depression and mania. There is certainly a degree of depression that is psychotic. Catatonics are there. But when someone is depressed we don't automatically term them psychotic. In fact, many people shrug & say, "Get over it!" Nor more should we declare someone going through a manic or hypomanic phase, psychotic. Again, a matter of degree.

In no wise am I saying she is legally insane or a candidate for such a defense. I am saying, with Yellow Dog, that there are symptoms of mania or hypomania in this woman. I have seen people on cocaine who exhibit similar behavior while high and who are mean, angry and volatile when they need a fix. We have seen her like that in jail and her friends have seen that side of her often. Maybe she is an addict. Cocaine or a cheap substitute and there are many. When she was jerking around in that first jail video and checking the room compulsively, she looked like she was coming off some drug. Very, very shaky.

Do not expect Cindy to cop to any moral, emotional or mental flaw in her daughter, even if she has seen it in writing from someone who should know. She is suppressing any such statements or written records.

Have you had any luck locating the video?

 

[Oakley]

my guess is they would put her on suicide watch if they thought she couldn't handle it.

That is probably the bottom line. Just wondering if Ms. KC could finagle some sort of special treatment...

 

[JBean]

IN my area, not all jails are allowed to dispense meds. So, if an inmate is going to need medication they have to make sure they are in a med facility. Case in point was Paris Hilton. She has to be transferred to Twin Towers in LA because they have a medical facility when she started losing it.
Down here is the OC, there are jails they have docs on staff and huge pharmacies and jails that do not. If you have an ongoing med probelm you cannot stay anywhere except a jail with a full med facility and that is where you will be sentenced.

 

[Oakley]

IN my area, not all jails are allowed to dispense meds. So, if an inmate is going to need medication they have to make sure they are in a med facility. Case in point was Paris Hilton. She has to be transferred to Twin Towers in LA because they have a medical facility when she started losing it.
Down here is the OC, there are jails they have docs on staff and huge pharmacies and jails that do not. If you have an ongoing med probelm you cannot stay anywhere except a jail with a full med facility and that is where you will be sentenced.

Jbean, that incident with Paris Hilton that you mentioned was actually in the back of my mind when I posed that question. What are you referring to when you say "down here is the OC" and what does OC stand for. Thanks!

 

[OneLostGrl]

IN my area, not all jails are allowed to dispense meds. So, if an inmate is going to need medication they have to make sure they are in a med facility. Case in point was Paris Hilton. She has to be transferred to Twin Towers in LA because they have a medical facility when she started losing it.
Down here is the OC, there are jails they have docs on staff and huge pharmacies and jails that do not. If you have an ongoing med probelm you cannot stay anywhere except a jail with a full med facility and that is where you will be sentenced.

Where I spent time I ended up manic and psychotic and having to be moved to the psych hospital until I could be stabalized because it took so long for my medications to "come in". They don't much care about prisoners mental health.

 

[LeLe1953]

Yep. Much of the time, the nurse tells the doctor what's wrong.

I'm afraid that if you get sick, you will HAVE to trust the nurse. The doctor is likely to see you, in the hospital, for about two minutes. S/he relies on what the nurse wrote down. The nurse is the doctors eyes and ears. That's why we do all the patient management. And, that's why we take a licensure test.

I just recently did that with a CHF patient. She was doing fine. Then, one day, my glib, witty, and well-informed patient was reaching for words. So, I checked her ankles. The nurses, here, KNOW what I found. The nurses also know what I did next.

Yes I do as do the others.

 

[Oakley]

Where I spent time I ended up manic and psychotic and having to be moved to the psych hospital until I could be stabalized because it took so long for my medications to "come in". They dn't much about about prisoners mental health.

That sounds like an awful thing to endure. I am so glad that you are doing well now! I just can't imagine how awful it must be to be incarcerated. And I firmly believe there but for the grace of God go I.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Where I spent time I ended up manic and psychotic and having to be moved to the psych hospital until I could be stabalized because it took so long for my medications to "come in". They don't much care about prisoners mental health.

I feel for you. :blowkiss: The county I have posted about is notorious for medical neglect of inmates. The have paid millions of dollars to inmates who were lucky enough to survive as well as millions to the families of some that did not.

 

[LeLe1953]

I understand she is in jail with no bond. I am having a hard time putting my question into words. I'll try again: If KC were to become very depressed or very anxious in jail, other than medicate her, what else might they do? Would they rearrange her living conditions there? Or make any other changes? I'm sorry if this is unclear. If so, it's not you, it's me.

Other than medicate her, I don't think so. Maybe she say's an extra hour out of her cell, to get some sunshine would help her be less depressed. I really dont think they are going to give a crap. Jail/prison is not supposed to be easy. One should FEEL the FULL effect of loosing all the freedoms you enjoyed as a free person.

We often get inmates, county & state at my hospital. They have a guard at all times, are cuffed to the bed at all times, can't even ask for a soda like the other patients can. If they are cold, they can't ask to have an extra blanket brought to them. They go into surgery, the guards gowns up and goes as well. They are still cuffed & sometimes shackled to the bed until they are under & cuffs are put back on right after they are moved from the OR bed to the regular stretcher. In other words, they do not allow them to have any more comforts than they would in jail. Just being in a hospital room with a decent bed is enough to make most of them do stupid crap like each razor blades to come in and spend a few days.

 

[Nore]

The mind boggles!

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I have wondered how KC is doing!