Casey's fantasies about Cindy giving her the house are really important

[debbie0604]

Authors must have a similar process to make the characters seem real and to write a scene. Casey made up a whole cast of characters in this make-believe life she was leading! There's usually a thread of truth woven into every lie. She told Amy she could move in real soon, and she told TonE he could start hanging out at her house real soon. Then, Caylee went missing which could not be the plan, IMO. I think the plan had to involve getting rid of CA and GA more than Caylee.

I always wonder about the first visitor to the jail, the guy supposely visits she says out of the blue, but what if....

Casey had a contract out on her parents. She made arrangements for someone to break in and kill them. It didn't happen, but by then the unexpected fight and Caylee passing happened.

Enjoying everyone's posts. This thread topic is fascinating. Trying to get into Casey's mind offers all kinds of creative slants, and the lies are stories in themselves. "She was up to no good" is how my own mother would put it.

I agree. I think she was up to no good too. I have wondered about her lies about her getting the house. CA said that it wasn't true, she was not signing the house over to her. I have wondered where that came from. I have wondered about the searches for the "neck breaking" and "household weapons" on the computer and some have speculated that it could have been that she was going to try to do away with CA and GA. I have wondered that myself, however, at the time KC was a very small person, and I wondered how she could have carried out that plan on both CA and GA by way of "neck breaking" and "household weapons." I then thought that she may have been searching for ways to kill Caylee. KC is a sociopath and is very self-centered. She was very jealous of JG's attention to Caylee. She also was very jealous of CA's relationship to Caylee as well (JMO). She seemed to want all of the attention on her. IMO I feel that she knew that as Caylee grew up that Caylee would have more attention focused on her, and there would be less attention on KC. Again, sociopaths are very self centered, jealous and paranoid.

As far as getting the house, I felt that she had to have a lie to tell as all of her friends were on their way to better things..i.e. college education and a better life for themselves. She had nothing going for her. She had no job, no education in that respect... so she made up a lie that she was going to have the home...(a nice home at that). JMO.

The first friend that visited her in jail (PB) was very strange to me as well...and if you go back and listen to that visit, you will notice that she appears to not know him at first, but after he leaves and she goes behind that curtain, you will hear her say "oh! I remember that kid!" (you may have to turn up the volume to hear it). I just assumed that he was wanting to be in the media for whatever reason.. who knows? But there may be some connection somewhere.

She has definitely been up to no good, and I believe that CA and GA have known all along of her lies. They've just been covering up for her. (JMO)

 

[hornswoggled]

In agreement with LambChop's statement - "It's like a game to her".

Stepping back a bit and reading older posts, Casey Anthony's life has been one huge "Sim" game. She got away with her made-up stories early on, and no one caught on, so the stories grew more elaborate. She seemed very adept at not letting the edges of her stories touch the edges of other stories she made up.

As she grew bigger, so did the stories. She had "cells" of friends. She managed to not have the responsibility of a job, no real responsibility where her child was concerned, no responsibility for her car - good old Dad even detailed her car for her. Slowly and steadily, the family assumed large and small responsibilities for her. Casey herself has never realized the level of immaturity in which she got stuck. I wonder if her family even realized it. The "Sim" lifestyle grew insidiously until she had everyone around her buying into it without realizing it.

Now here we are in the real world, and the ugly truths keeps surfacing. No matter how family members spin about "mistruths" (as though that is somehow on the level of "a little white lie"), the real world doesn't buy into Casey Anthony's multi-layered, carefully crafted life story.

Out here, a lie is a lie. A murder is a murder. Enabling is enabling. I don't think that a jury will buy into a single spin that is put forth by the defense as the truth. The harsh undeniable truth is that a little skeleton was uncovered from where it was tossed away, and there is only one person that cannot deny that truth.

 

[Cassata11]

Yes, I noticed early on that this reeked of almost copycat of Scott Peterson. And I think that perhaps this is why I only come here once in a while to catch up on the case. Scott Peterson's trial pulled the life out of me. Not only did I tire from all the lies. But I couldn't take the parents of Scott either.

It is apparent to me that although in both cases the parents didn't commit the crime, they are the cause of raising a spoiled brat "golden child" that suffered little to no consequences for their actions. Seems to me that Scott and Casey's parents always find someone else to blame when it comes to their child.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Enjoy your posts claudicici, but, JMO, I don't think Tony saying he didn't want girl children was that big of a deal to Casey. She moved on quickly, and there were many men even during that time period in the 31 days she was smoozing up to. In any case, I don't get why Casey would kill for any particular man being as selfish as she is. JG didn't have a problem with girl children, so did that save Caylee, sadly no.

IMHO, Casey was over the edge before anyone pushed her. :wave:

As GA said of her, she lived on the edge- she takes everything as far as it can go and then pushes it further, It is her natural habitat. Tony was a hapless victim in this.

 

[belle3]

i was thinking about this the other day. maybe casey caught georgie in something less than honest and ratted him out to cindy. cindy says oh wait a minute not again im getting rid of hime. sells casey this dream of im gonna divorce him sell the house and ill give you and caylee, oh, i don know. 15000 dollars to start off your life. then she goes to a lawyer and finds out that little plan is not gonna work. so she tells casey im gonna stay with your dad and we are gonna work this out but you might want to think of moving out soon and starting your own life. well that plan doesnt work for casey so she has to get rid of them. now what happened that weekend that changed everything? these are just my thoughts.

 

[Curious Me]

In agreement with LambChop's statement - "It's like a game to her".

Stepping back a bit and reading older posts, Casey Anthony's life has been one huge "Sim" game. She got away with her made-up stories early on, and no one caught on, so the stories grew more elaborate. She seemed very adept at not letting the edges of her stories touch the edges of other stories she made up.

As she grew bigger, so did the stories. She had "cells" of friends. She managed to not have the responsibility of a job, no real responsibility where her child was concerned, no responsibility for her car - good old Dad even detailed her car for her. Slowly and steadily, the family assumed large and small responsibilities for her. Casey herself has never realized the level of immaturity in which she got stuck. I wonder if her family even realized it. The "Sim" lifestyle grew insidiously until she had everyone around her buying into it without realizing it.

Now here we are in the real world, and the ugly truths keeps surfacing. No matter how family members spin about "mistruths" (as though that is somehow on the level of "a little white lie"), the real world doesn't buy into Casey Anthony's multi-layered, carefully crafted life story.

Out here, a lie is a lie. A murder is a murder. Enabling is enabling. I don't think that a jury will buy into a single spin that is put forth by the defense as the truth. The harsh undeniable truth is that a little skeleton was uncovered from where it was tossed away, and there is only one person that cannot deny that truth.

:applause: A Sim game! Didn't she also watch a movie from the BB the night of June 16th about jumping through time and realities?

I knew someone like Casey. I got them out of my life, and it wasn't easy.

You can never feel safe once you have allowed someone to drag you into their Sim game. Time can mean nothing to them so they can pop up years later and think everything's the same. Who knows what is going on in their minds because they sure don't think like you or I.

Admittingly, I'm on guard. There's many people out there with Sim game lives. Most don't end up with a dead little girl to explain, but there's people like this out there doing damage to others with their sickness and their lies. Odd, but sometimes the mentally disordered and deranged can spin their magic, and regular folk get pulled in. Look at CA after years of trying to deal with Casey - well, those two aren't a good example because they both had their own
Sim game lives going on.

It is a good thing we can study Casey and will recognize some of the signs now. But here in reality, we have laws and moral rights, and Casey must face the consequences of thumbing her nose at Caylee's reality.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

What everyone is saying makes some sense. I looked over the conversation between caseyomarie and L7Tone, dated 10 June, was it? Just days before the big weekend. And KC was telling L7T "just a few more days, maybe three", something like that. Could she have been possibly looking to bump off all three that weekend? "Oh, no! Someone came into the house when I was working very late and they killed my family!" But something went wrong, she got to Caylee first, now what to do?

About the house, the mortgage, an inheritance with Lee, she probably didn't know enough to think about it thoroughly. What does she know about those things? She was only 22, with no job, parents supporting her and Caylee, and without practical business experience. Maybe she thought the mortgage would be paid off if the parents were dead. Do they still issue that type of mortgage life insurance? I know they used to - many moons ago. I just don't believe KC was smart enough or experienced enough to take those matters into consideration. Also, since Lee has his own place, she may have assumed since she lives in the As' home, it would automatically be hers. Would she have considered that she wouldn't be able to inherit anything from the parents she killed or was suspected of killing?

She can spin tales about herself but can she calculate the legalities involved in a house transaction?

I'm favoring a massacre, mass murder made to look like breaking and entry and murder. I think she just got to Caylee sooner than she expected to, and I do believe it could have been because Caylee told on KC. It's one explanation for KC not claiming an accidental death of the child from the beginning. What was she going to say? "I really planned on bumping off all three of you but she got me so angry when she blabbed about not being at the nanny's place." So she concocted the phony kidnapping by the non-existent babysitter she's been talking about, the one with no legal records, no sign of life.

 

[belle3]

i believe that killing caylee was not her first intention. her most major obstacle at this time was her parents telling her how to live her life and how to be a mother. if she could just get them out they way she could do whatever she wanted with caylee but not as long as they were around. did her parents have a trip planned for that weekend of june 13th aand just didnt end up going? remember i believe she was to go with amy that day to get her car but she doesnt cuz of her dads stroke. was that her set up for her fathers death. boy sooooo many questions??

 

[LambChop]

i believe that killing caylee was not her first intention. her most major obstacle at this time was her parents telling her how to live her life and how to be a mother. if she could just get them out they way she could do whatever she wanted with caylee but not as long as they were around. did her parents have a trip planned for that weekend of june 13th aand just didnt end up going? remember i believe she was to go with amy that day to get her car but she doesnt cuz of her dads stroke. was that her set up for her fathers death. boy sooooo many questions??

From the text messages between TL and KC it appears she did not go with AH because TL did not want her to go. They had an argument about it while texting. He said she did not tell him about it and she said she did. Then KC ends up not going and uses her father as an excuse. JMO

 

[logicalgirl]

i was thinking about this the other day. maybe casey caught georgie in something less than honest and ratted him out to cindy. cindy says oh wait a minute not again im getting rid of hime. sells casey this dream of im gonna divorce him sell the house and ill give you and caylee, oh, i don know. 15000 dollars to start off your life. then she goes to a lawyer and finds out that little plan is not gonna work. so she tells casey im gonna stay with your dad and we are gonna work this out but you might want to think of moving out soon and starting your own life. well that plan doesnt work for casey so she has to get rid of them. now what happened that weekend that changed everything? these are just my thoughts.

I was musing like Belle3 about where this idea of Casey's that she was getting the house was coming from. Now some bright soul always said there was a thread of truth running through whoppers Casey tells. Soo....my thoughts went along the lines of Cindy really being fed up with George, and deciding to turf him. I also thought she was probably fed up with being everyone's doormat (although she actually loves it because it means she is actually managing everything) and decided she wants her own place that George can't weasel his way back in. Maybe she discovered George's computer habits, who knows. But Cindy knows if she sells the house, she probably would have to give George half of whatever profit, so in some offhand conversation with Casey when she was still blowing steam, she said, I'll move out and you can stay here, pay your share of the mortgage as rent, and have one or two friends to share the place to make up the rest of the monthly payment. That way George won't get anything, Cindy would know Caylee would have a roof over her head, and she wouldn't have to put up with either George or Casey's shenanigans and she could have her own space to get on with her life. To me that makes more sense than imagining Casey, as evil as she is, was planning on bumping her whole family off. Maybe that was one of the reasons for the bustup on the 15th, from Casey's point of view. Cindy backtracked and said she'd just been in a mood and Casey could forget about it - there was no way she was getting the house. And Casey was still fuming the next day, so that was one of the reasons in a rage that she killed Caylee.
Completely ridiculous.....or.......?

 

[ZsaZsa]

I was musing like Belle3 about where this idea of Casey's that she was getting the house was coming from. Now some bright soul always said there was a thread of truth running through whoppers Casey tells. Soo....my thoughts went along the lines of Cindy really being fed up with George, and deciding to turf him. I also thought she was probably fed up with being everyone's doormat (although she actually loves it because it means she is actually managing everything) and decided she wants her own place that George can't weasel his way back in. Maybe she discovered George's computer habits, who knows. But Cindy knows if she sells the house, she probably would have to give George half of whatever profit, so in some offhand conversation with Casey when she was still blowing steam, she said, I'll move out and you can stay here, pay your share of the mortgage as rent, and have one or two friends to share the place to make up the rest of the monthly payment. That way George won't get anything, Cindy would know Caylee would have a roof over her head, and she wouldn't have to put up with either George or Casey's shenanigans and she could have her own space to get on with her life. To me that makes more sense than imagining Casey, as evil as she is, was planning on bumping her whole family off. Maybe that was one of the reasons for the bustup on the 15th, from Casey's point of view. Cindy backtracked and said she'd just been in a mood and Casey could forget about it - there was no way she was getting the house. And Casey was still fuming the next day, so that was one of the reasons in a rage that she killed Caylee.
Completely ridiculous.....or.......?

Interesting, but, if the rest of her life is any example, this was all just another of Casey's lies.

 

[cloud9]

..a puzzle indeed!

..may 30th-----kc and caylee slept over @ ricardo's----he woke up in the a.m.---no caylee---kc said she took her home in the night b/c cindy called-, but----cindy was at mt. dora that night as her father was doing poorly. where did kc take her then ?

..june 9th ( the sunday before fathers day) kc and caylee slept at ricardo's---(and the 10th ?)

..was THIS the night of the big fight ??? and that was the reason everyone said june 9th when asked by LE on july 15th-----b/c ( with all of the hysteria going on------the anthony's blurted out the TRUTH momentarily?!)

..it makes sense to me----why else would kc and caylee leave and sleep at ricardo's on the previous sunday,the 9th (and the 10th?) did ricardo notice bruising/marks on her neck then ? ( from the alledged choking?)(happened THAT night?)

..i'm with many posters here on WS---caylee was now able to vocalize----and was "able to tell on kc to CA.."

Good points! And as posted in this thread, KC spent a lot of time texting with Tony on June 10-12? She even said "3 days", regarding the house.

 

[belle3]

From the text messages between TL and KC it appears she did not go with AH because TL did not want her to go. They had an argument about it while texting. He said she did not tell him about it and she said she did. Then KC ends up not going and uses her father as an excuse. JMO

ive never seen these texts. would you be so kind as to tell me where i can find them. tia

 

[Curious Me]

belle3, a few pages back are some of the texts with some highlights.

I swear Casey expected big changes in the days ahead, but looks like not the changes that came about. Jacksonville was tossed aside so easily so it wasn't that. Did LE check the brakes on the parent's cars?

 

[Oakley]

I can't get into specifics because it's hazy for me, and I don't have the time to get links but,

GA's sisters husband has money (per GA himself). He mentioned how his sisters are well taken care of by their husbands. And that there's nothing wrong with that.

I believe one of the reasons for GA getting his own used car lot was because CA wanted him to make money like his father, and his sisters husbands.
(per GA I think?)
I think there is another instance where CA may have said somethng about it, but that one, I'm not sure about.

Sorry for the vagueness. I'm in a rush. I will try to look them up later if no one has.

I remember this as well. Someone (in the family, IIRC, although I don't recall exactly who) said CA was envious of her sister-in-law for the reasons Reagan states above.

 

[knt]

If KC was planning to "get rid of" her parents, she was an idiot to tell multiple people that the house would be hers in 2 or 3 days... That would have been a HUGE cooincidence that her parents were murdered by strangers right after she'd announced the house would be all hers! KC apparently didn't watch enough of her favorite show, CSI!!

 

[Zoe Bogart]

We can toss this over for centuries and will probably never know the truth because KC won't talk, CA says everything is hunky-dunky, GA won't open his mouth fearing CA will beat him with her hammer, baseball bat, garden hose, and Lee is staying out of sight.

The facts are: Caylee is dead, there were neck-breaking and chloroform searches on KC's/CA's computer, there was no Zanny the Nanny, NO ONE in that family is stepping up for Caylee, KC stole money from friends and relatives, she lied to everyone, no one is visiting KC except her attorneys, KC partied for 31 days before telling anyone Caylee was missing and CINDY had to call 9-1-1.......and on and on and on...............

I'm sure at some point she thought she could kill off all her family members, then one of them, then maybe two of them at certain points. Her family was her problem. She'd be happy without them. What did she plan to do with Caylee if she just bumped off her parents? Let the trunk be the babysitter? Let her stay home alone in the house? But she talks and walks, that wouldn't do. What to do? What to do?

With all the lies, who knows what she was thinking? I doubt KC had it down in stone because she changes her plans, her mind, her stories like some people change clothing.

No matter what KC planned or thought or was told, Caylee is dead, her mouth and nose wrapped in duct tape, she was tossed into three garbage bags, and ultimately left in the flooded woods to rot for six months. And Casey was out having the time of her life for 31 days and it was Cindy who had to report Caylee missing.

 

[lauriej]

Not sure why you think GA's family has money. I have never heard that before.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6036330/2008-0724-Police-Interview-George-Anthony

page 65 / 71

george, in an interview with JA and YM..(talking about kc's bond.)

.." ..i mean, if i'm going to ask my one brother-in-law,who's a multi-millionaire....."

.."to him, it's...it's..... 50 grand, a hundred grand------it's like you dropping maybe a thousand bucks on something."

..( this was the interview in which george was throwing up at the end..)

 

[100%Agave]

If the house was in CA's name could she just 'give' KC the house on paper, then avoid having to share proceeds with GA in the event of a divorce? Just thinking....

I don't know about that. If it was paid for maybe, but with a mortgage it would have to be assumable and be transfered. But if KC thought that she could off her parents and then just continue to make the payments in CA's name as if nothing happened, it might work. It is not like others have not killed people and kept getting their social security checks for years.

If she really thought that she could get rid of them and keep the house, she was dreaming. There is no way she would have gotten by with it for long. Only just about until the first mortgage payment came due and she couldn't pay it.

Hey, what if there was credit life on the house that would pay for it in the event that the mortgagee (sp) died? Maybe she thought that insurance would pay it off and she wouldn't have to make payments.

She would never have been able to keep up with mortgage payments, taxes, insurance, and the expenses that always come with owning a home like roof repair or plumbing problems. She thinks like a little kid sometimes. The house just repairs itself and there is no such thing as mortgage payments.

 

[LambChop]

ive never seen these texts. would you be so kind as to tell me where i can find them. tia

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