Casey's Life in Jail, Visitors; Phone Calls; Commissary etc.#3

[tasylshari]

MMB: very, very well written......could never have said that better than what you did!

And thanks for the info on FLA prison food - - - I admit to having at least a little bit of satisfaction (corners of my mouth rose a wee bit as I read your info, I must say) reading what you had to say about the food. It's comforting to me to know that Casey is undoubtedly suffering at least gastroenterically (is that a word?) for the murder of her daughter. I know that I would be on a hunger strike after about, oh, day 3 of that garbage! Cheers, Casey!!! Bon Appetite!!!!!:behindbar

 

[lisalei321]

Here's the link to the commissary list in Orange County FL...

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/22/081021_Commisary_items_1.pdf

 

[Patty G]

KC isn't eating commissary food, KC is eating prison food. Commissary food is about 10 clicks up the ladder from prison food. The menu was printed in the first thread. KC gets a piece of fruit or a green salad about 5 times a week. Other than that everything she gets comes out of a can or a wrapper. She gets a couple pieces of white bread. Processed meat or cheese. Canned veggies or canned fruit, for big time excitement and some variety she gets green jello. She gets mystery meat and gravy and potatoes. The freshest thing on her menu is Vit D milk and juice. I've never seen so much starch on a menu. Homeless shelters serve better food than the FL prison system. Anything KC buys from the commissary is an attempt on her part to self comfort. Cause she sure isn't getting any off her food tray.

Please post the link for the menus for the WSers that may have not seen it from months ago.

 

[Patty G]

A "special" thanks to "bogeygal" for the info for the menu at OC Correctional Facility.

Here it is: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2946099&postcount=46"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - LE Links AND Orange County Jail Info AND Updated Charges Info - NO DISCUSSION![/ame]

That area of the board in "No Discussion" so please don't comment in that forum, but feel free to discuss the menu here.

 

[Reagan]

Wonder if the peeps (other than GA) are still putting money into her account. Would go look but I have never figured out how to find that info. If anybody can then TIA:blowkiss:

I'm wondering if we were only privy to that information because the media was requesting it at first. The FL local media reported it at first, but then they just stopped caring.

 

[Dear Prudence]

KC isn't eating commissary food, KC is eating prison food. Commissary food is about 10 clicks up the ladder from prison food. The menu was printed in the first thread. KC gets a piece of fruit or a green salad about 5 times a week. Other than that everything she gets comes out of a can or a wrapper. She gets a couple pieces of white bread. Processed meat or cheese. Canned veggies or canned fruit, for big time excitement and some variety she gets green jello. She gets mystery meat and gravy and potatoes. The freshest thing on her menu is Vit D milk and juice. I've never seen so much starch on a menu. Homeless shelters serve better food than the FL prison system. Anything KC buys from the commissary is an attempt on her part to self comfort. Cause she sure isn't getting any off her food tray.

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If you haven't seen so much starch on a menu before then you haven't been to a public elementary school in my state. The prison's menu sounds like every other large public institution's menu. Are you serious about homeless shelters serving better food than the 3 squares a day the prison serves? Do shelters really serve 3 meals a day every day with variety from day to day? I agree Casey's not eating well, but it's not horrible and I'm sure the ACLU would sue in a heartbeat if it wasn't nutritionally sound.

 

[sadyjade]

Just wanted to ad my 2 cents ...

I come from a rather large family, 10 of us in all. I am the youngest, 41. (wow, typing that and seeing it is wierd!) I have little memory of my siblings at a young age ... although I have a few. Two of the eldest boys had / have quite the criminal history *sigh*

Hence this post. For those with loved ones on the inside. I have spent many, many a holiday (christmas being the big one, as I have no children, I spent most of them with my brother, Randy, in a mid to max state prison. I hate what he did, loved him through out his 19 plus, straight years of incarceration, as my daddy taught me!

I was often his only visitor for months at a time. During those visits, we were allowed to hug one another at the beginning, and end of the visit, but were often told, break it up!

My point here is ... trust me when I say, Casey is and will be deprived of many of lifes privlages. When she realizes that the only "Family Portariats" will be taken with a poloroid (at a cost of $12 - $20 a pop), with her obviously in prison garb, against and obvoious prison background, .... trust me, her family will feel that pain! Probablly more than she will ... Nothing, and no one will give her much solace for any length of time ... She will, in time, break ... they all do!

I must admit, having gone through this *visiting* relationship with a sibling, almost resenting the fact that I was There at Christmas, etc., well ... at the time, I felt good about being there for him ... even though I missed out on the good stuff within our own families .... cuz I felt sorry for him. Eventually ... after he was parolled, and went back, I was devestated ... but now am almost relieved!

Mr. & Mrs. Anthony will have a harder row to hoe (maybe). I on the other hand, had a nephew to enlighten, encouarage, love, and heal. Sadly, that wasn't enough to keep my brother on the outside. His only son killed himself just a few months before my brother was to be released ... for the final time in my nephews life, his father let him down, all for a few moments of feeling high!

I have yet to really forgive my brother, although I thought I had!

Trust me, this family is and will always be broken, and that is the way it should be *sigh*

I don't know if I can call it justice, but I will call it, what it is!
Sad, terrible, heart wrenching, painfull, shamefull, but most of all, preventable!!!! Completely preventable!!!!!

 

[Ms.Heather]

Just wanted to ad my 2 cents ...

I come from a rather large family, 10 of us in all. I am the youngest, 41. (wow, typing that and seeing it is wierd!) I have little memory of my siblings at a young age ... although I have a few. Two of the eldest boys had / have quite the criminal history *sigh*

Hence this post. For those with loved ones on the inside. I have spent many, many a holiday (christmas being the big one, as I have no children, I spent most of them with my brother, Randy, in a mid to max state prison. I hate what he did, loved him through out his 19 plus, straight years of incarceration, as my daddy taught me!

I was often his only visitor for months at a time. During those visits, we were allowed to hug one another at the beginning, and end of the visit, but were often told, break it up!

My point here is ... trust me when I say, Casey is and will be deprived of many of lifes privlages. When she realizes that the only "Family Portariats" will be taken with a poloroid (at a cost of $12 - $20 a pop), with her obviously in prison garb, against and obvoious prison background, .... trust me, her family will feel that pain! Probablly more than she will ... Nothing, and no one will give her much solace for any length of time ... She will, in time, break ... they all do!

I must admit, having gone through this *visiting* relationship with a sibling, almost resenting the fact that I was There at Christmas, etc., well ... at the time, I felt good about being there for him ... even though I missed out on the good stuff within our own families .... cuz I felt sorry for him. Eventually ... after he was parolled, and went back, I was devestated ... but now am almost relieved!

Mr. & Mrs. Anthony will have a harder row to hoe (maybe). I on the other hand, had a nephew to enlighten, encouarage, love, and heal. Sadly, that wasn't enough to keep my brother on the outside. His only son killed himself just a few months before my brother was to be released ... for the final time in my nephews life, his father let him down, all for a few moments of feeling high!

I have yet to really forgive my brother, although I thought I had!

Trust me, this family is and will always be broken, and that is the way it should be *sigh*

I don't know if I can call it justice, but I will call it, what it is!
Sad, terrible, heart wrenching, painfull, shamefull, but most of all, preventable!!!! Completely preventable!!!!!

Great Post. I am sorry that you had to go through the struggles... but remember struggles breed stength.

I too, have a extremely close friend on the inside. He was my BF we were 18. He's been in jail now for 10 years, and by this time every single one of his family members and friends have disappeared. I spend many of holidays in a max security prison. But I love him, support him... no matter his crime. Its a heartbreaking thing to do. He's 30 years old and institutionalized... 100%, I he maxes out his sentence in 8 years, I fear for him alot. People really do become forgotten in prisons, I've worked in them... and have seen it first hand. Its sad. I am sorry that your brother has let you down.

back to the topic.

KC will break, I agree. Right now she is in the limbo stage, where I still believe that she thinks that Jose will come up with some brilliant plan and because KC had always gotten away with every other lie! We will just HAVE to believe her this time too! I seriously think she believes that her being in jail is temporary.

KC is all alone for 23/24 hours a day. She is allowed to be out of her jail for what an hour a day to shower???? and shes in protective custody, so she has verrrrrrry limited contact with other people. I'd be surprised if she hasn't already started to crack. She is allowed barely anything, and I always got a kick when Nancy Grace would say things like... "KC sits in jail orders cookies and treats and blah blah" making it sound like KC is relaxing at a spa. Trust me, her life is no spa... and if as fabulous as her life ever gets is that they have a new type of candy bar that she likes on the commisary list... or if she can order mascara (comparable to the dollar store types of mascara...) then I'm happy. Because she will never experience life again. She has a mundane existance and soon after the whole trial is over... Jose will stop the visits... maybe her family will come to visit every once in awhile after all the hoopla dies down... but even that, think of the resentment... if convicted, the truth will come out in some form at the trial... She's lucky if she has them after the whole thing is done to be honest. She will eventually just spend the rest of her life sitting in a real prison... She will be let into general pop at some point... some mother who misses her child will recognize her and hopefully beat her silly.

She'll break, maybe not in the public. But imagine what its like to be alone 23/34 hours a day... imagine the thoughts that run through KC's mind when its lights out at the prison... and shes silent in the dark thinking...

Poor Caylee. I hope she gets the justice she deserves.

 

[MissJames]

Just wanted to ad my 2 cents ...

I come from a rather large family, 10 of us in all. I am the youngest, 41. (wow, typing that and seeing it is wierd!) I have little memory of my siblings at a young age ... although I have a few. Two of the eldest boys had / have quite the criminal history *sigh*

Hence this post. For those with loved ones on the inside. I have spent many, many a holiday (christmas being the big one, as I have no children, I spent most of them with my brother, Randy, in a mid to max state prison. I hate what he did, loved him through out his 19 plus, straight years of incarceration, as my daddy taught me!

I was often his only visitor for months at a time. During those visits, we were allowed to hug one another at the beginning, and end of the visit, but were often told, break it up!

My point here is ... trust me when I say, Casey is and will be deprived of many of lifes privlages. When she realizes that the only "Family Portariats" will be taken with a poloroid (at a cost of $12 - $20 a pop), with her obviously in prison garb, against and obvoious prison background, .... trust me, her family will feel that pain! Probablly more than she will ... Nothing, and no one will give her much solace for any length of time ... She will, in time, break ... they all do!

I must admit, having gone through this *visiting* relationship with a sibling, almost resenting the fact that I was There at Christmas, etc., well ... at the time, I felt good about being there for him ... even though I missed out on the good stuff within our own families .... cuz I felt sorry for him. Eventually ... after he was parolled, and went back, I was devestated ... but now am almost relieved!

Mr. & Mrs. Anthony will have a harder row to hoe (maybe). I on the other hand, had a nephew to enlighten, encouarage, love, and heal. Sadly, that wasn't enough to keep my brother on the outside. His only son killed himself just a few months before my brother was to be released ... for the final time in my nephews life, his father let him down, all for a few moments of feeling high!

I have yet to really forgive my brother, although I thought I had!

Trust me, this family is and will always be broken, and that is the way it should be *sigh*

I don't know if I can call it justice, but I will call it, what it is!
Sad, terrible, heart wrenching, painfull, shamefull, but most of all, preventable!!!! Completely preventable!!!!!

Thank you for sharing.I am so sorry you lost your nephew. Life can be so hard,so cruel sometimes.
I appreciate the knowledge you shared with us.It paints a vivid picture.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Thanks sadyjade for sharing.
I think KC thinks she will go free---right now anyway. I think she will throw a fit when she finds out she is really goin to prison. She will go on changing as she has to---just won't be as fun as if she were on the outside.

 

[watcher9]

It hasn't been said lately, but does JB go to see KC regularly, rarely? What about other members of the dream team??

Also, could she actually get a TV? Is her cell wired for the required "digital" hookup?? Or, can you get a battery operated digital TV?

 

[Elphaba]

It hasn't been said lately, but does JB go to see KC regularly, rarely? What about other members of the dream team??

Also, could she actually get a TV? Is her cell wired for the required "digital" hookup?? Or, can you get a battery operated digital TV?

She can only have a radio in her cell, I think. I think there was legislation in Florida, at one time, to make sure that in prison/jail, inmates were not allowed to have televisions in their individual jails. (If she was in SC, she could have a tv... my mother's church raised money to buy a tv for a member's nephew who is in prison on rape charges.)

 

[LCoastMom]

It hasn't been said lately, but does JB go to see KC regularly, rarely? What about other members of the dream team??

Also, could she actually get a TV? Is her cell wired for the required "digital" hookup?? Or, can you get a battery operated digital TV?

The day LP was searching in the river at JBPark, KC was watching the news in the day room, when they saw what she was watching they sent her back to her cell.

On Dec 11 the LEO's at the jail said she had been listening on the radio in her cell.

It was said that TV coverage is local only, no cable.

In CA once you leave the jail and go to prison you can have a personal TV in the cell, again local coverage only, no cable. This is for death row. I don't know about general population. When you start the count down for DP the TV is removed from the cell. They can still watch, the set is put outside of the cell.

Last summer JB and even a few of his associates were spending hours and hours at the jail with her.

A couple weeks ago Kathi B made the statement that while on home confinement KC spent 6 hours per day with JB, but recently he has only spent 6 hrs in the last 2 weeks. I think this was during 6-16 coverage. Her family hasn't visited with her since she was arrested in Oct. I do believe that it is JB controlling the visitation. He knows KC and Cindy are like powder kegs capable of going off at any time. I think he also worries that KC has a soft spot for her dad and given time George will be able to break KC down.

When JB went to NY in Aug he told KC no visitors, she relayed that message to her parents right after she had her little no one listens to me fit!! :banghead: That was a "Way to go KC!!!" moment!!

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[Patty G]

It hasn't been said lately, but does JB go to see KC regularly, rarely? What about other members of the dream team??

Also, could she actually get a TV? Is her cell wired for the required "digital" hookup?? Or, can you get a battery operated digital TV?

Unless we can locate a recent "Vistors Log" from the Correctional Facility, we have no idea how often Casey's lawyers are visiting Casey in jail. IMO, they visit Casey on a regular basis to keep Casey updated regarding her prentending trial.

There is a recreational room within the Correctional Facilty for watching TV based on the inmates scheduled time out of their cells. IMO, jails are not wired for cable hook-up to make it a pleasure to be in jail.

 

[lisalei321]

And no tv's in the cells at the county jails, at least not in FL...

 

[Gma Kat]

In California when I was 19 I was hospitalized for several weeks due to an auto accident. I had no insurance so I was in a general hospital. I paid $5 a day to have a 6x6 black and white television with local coverage. The food was unedable and the place was beyond filthy. When I was 20 I transfered from the parole division where I worked to a level II prison with both male and female housing. The males were housed barracks style and the females were housed in a former hospital so they had their own rooms! They wore plain clothes, ate the same food as me, had a day room with a television, conjugal visits, face-to-face visitation, etc. So situations vary a lot from institution to institution and from state to state. My time in the general hospital was far worse than the living conditions at the prison I worked in. No matter what conditions KC has awaiting her or what she is going through now I think the only true punishment is the removal of free will. Material living situations are subjective and have different impacts to different individuals. I knew many inmates who were institutionalized and never wanted to parole. MOST "insitutionalized" inmates violate while in custody to avoid parole, so we can't view their "living situation" as their punishment. The only true punishment is what is in the mind and soul and the afterlife.

 

[luvmygarden]

I am curious how she looks so upbeat and seemingly happy at the court hearings. Yes she is pale, no tan but she doesn't have a depressed or unhappy look.
She has maintained a confident manor. Sometimes she looks spaced when the lawyers are presenting something and doing alot of talking but generally not scared or
insecure. I wonder if she really feels the scope of what they are fighting for, for her.

 

[doogiesgirl]

I am curious how she looks so upbeat and seemingly happy at the court hearings. Yes she is pale, no tan but she doesn't have a depressed or unhappy look.
She has maintained a confident manor. Sometimes she looks spaced when the lawyers are presenting something and doing alot of talking but generally not scared or
insecure. I wonder if she really feels the scope of what they are fighting for, for her.

I remember watching this show where a psychiatrist went to a prison to talk with this mob hit man(Ice Man maybe?). This man had been in prison for years and was open to hearing why he was able to do the things he did, what was wrong with him. He was told that he was born with this dna abnormality (mental issues), add on the trauma of an abusive father and a mother who didn't show him love, and it created the person he became. He was told some people are born with that mental issue where they don't feel fear like a normal person would but if they have loving caring parents they usually don't become killers. Some of those people become test pilots or race car drivers, etc (whatever profession calls for nerves of steel), but b/c he was beaten as a child by his father, not loved by his mother, and born with the missing(or abnormal) pieces, he became a stone cold killer. He didn't feel sick, or feel empathy for his victims, or fear of being caught in these situations. I wonder if KC lacks the fear gene? It seems like it. She just does whatever she wants in the moment because she has no fear of it causing her problems later. Couple that with parents who have covered for her her whole life and it seems to fit. I don't think she really gets what she is facing, or what she has done. She knows that society will want her punished for what she did but she doesn't feel why. And that is a bite in the butt to those of us who want her to feel some kind of deprivation and punishment for what she's done to Caylee. She doesn't seem to feel the losses like the rest of us would. We may just have to take comfort in the fact that we know she is locked away for the rest of her life or will lose her life completely. :cow:

 

[LCoastMom]

I am curious how she looks so upbeat and seemingly happy at the court hearings. Yes she is pale, no tan but she doesn't have a depressed or unhappy look.
She has maintained a confident manor. Sometimes she looks spaced when the lawyers are presenting something and doing alot of talking but generally not scared or insecure. I wonder if she really feels the scope of what they are fighting for, for her.

What we are seeing is the face she puts on for her public. She is taking her messages from JB. If you watch carefully if JB is smiling, KC is smiling, if JB gets tense during the hearing, KC gets subtile little signs of tension too. She will fidget more, play with her hair and clothing.

The day KC was arrested in Oct, she sat in that little interrogation room laughing and talking sports. Again she reflected the up beat mood of the officers. They had just heard from the Grand Jury that the SA could go ahead with murder charges. What did she have to be up beat about? If you watch the video, while she is alone for the most part her face is a blank slate, she gets up, she stretches, she fidgets with her clothes and her hair, all the while her face is a blank slate. Where were the tears for her daughter? Where was the concern over her loss? There is none. The day Caylee died, KC put her out of her mind, no longer her problem. I don't think she has a clue that very likely she will never be a free person again. DP or not, her life is over.

In California when I was 19 I was hospitalized for several weeks due to an auto accident. I had no insurance so I was in a general hospital. I paid $5 a day to have a 6x6 black and white television with local coverage. The food was unedable and the place was beyond filthy. When I was 20 I transfered from the parole division where I worked to a level II prison with both male and female housing. The males were housed barracks style and the females were housed in a former hospital so they had their own rooms! They wore plain clothes, ate the same food as me, had a day room with a television, conjugal visits, face-to-face visitation, etc. So situations vary a lot from institution to institution and from state to state. My time in the general hospital was far worse than the living conditions at the prison I worked in. No matter what conditions KC has awaiting her or what she is going through now I think the only true punishment is the removal I knew many inmates who were institutionalized and never wanted to parole. MOST "insitutionalized" inmates violate while in custody to avoid parole, so we can't view their "living situation" as their punishment. The only true punishment is what is in the mind and soul and the afterlife.

What you described of your hospital stay should be against the law. You may as well have been incarcerated, you would have been treated better.

I don't know enough about KC's mindset to truly grasp how she will behave when found guilty. Will she be surprised? Is it going to come as a complete shock to her, that a jury of her peers (and 99.99% of the rest of the world over) doesn't believe her? I thought the picture of her way back when she was denied a lower bond, after telling Jose to get her out or get her a new attorney was great. (If looks could kill!)

I remember KC telling Cindy she needed to be released because she wasn't learning anything by being locked up, after the first week or so. So I guess in KC's world once she learned the schedule at the jail, what her meals would consist of, what time she would be fed and how things in general worked she was good and no longer needed to be locked up. :crazy: It made me wonder if KC had any clue what jails are for or if that reasoning only applies to her?

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[Brini]

I am curious how she looks so upbeat and seemingly happy at the court hearings. Yes she is pale, no tan but she doesn't have a depressed or unhappy look.
She has maintained a confident manor. Sometimes she looks spaced when the lawyers are presenting something and doing alot of talking but generally not scared or
insecure. I wonder if she really feels the scope of what they are fighting for, for her.

Sociopaths do not feel fear the same way that the rest of us do.