Cell Phone Activity Timeline as of 11/11

[LisaB]

something to keep in mind with these cellphones, i'm sure this has been brought up before but just sayin:

which cell phone was DB's SIM card in? the borrowed phone, or DB's regular phone? just another piece of the puzzle we need clarification on.

With the exception of some of the very newest models of smartphone, Verizon does not use SIM cards. You just turn off the old phone, turn on the (charged) new one, and dial #228. Instructions ask what number you want put on it and verify your identity before making the switch. Phone reboots and you are all set up. No data transfers, unless your phone allows you to back up to microSD card that the new phone can decipher.

 

[In da Middle]

Okay, I'll have to read this about 20 times to understand what you're saying, but...HYPOTHETICALLY, if someone were to report that the plain jane phone wasn't able to accept contacts numbers, so DB switched her account to the plain jane phone...would that mean her plain jane phone worked just fine? :waitasec:

See where I'm going with this...HYPOTHETICALLY?

ETA: Today is the day I have to give my kitties babies to new mommies (sigh), so I probably won't see your response until later.

No her phone would not have to have service to access the contacts. She would just power it up and be able to see the numbers and manually enter them into the 'new' phone. Kind of like if you are transferring old info from an old computer (old phone) to a new computer (new phone) if the internet (phone service) is not connected and your thumb drives (sim cards) are not compatible from one computer to the other.

Such a glad and sad day for you! My youngest and I help with animal rescue and while you root for them to get a home, you worry about them when they do!

 

[askfornina]

With the exception of some of the very newest models of smartphone, Verizon does not use SIM cards. You just turn off the old phone, turn on the (charged) new one, and dial #228. Instructions ask what number you want put on it and verify your identity before making the switch. Phone reboots and you are all set up. No data transfers, unless your phone allows you to back up to microSD card that the new phone can decipher.

woah, thanks! i didn't know that. (obviously lol) well that adds another layer of confusion. just what i needed!

 

[In da Middle]

With the exception of some of the very newest models of smartphone, Verizon does not use SIM cards. You just turn off the old phone, turn on the (charged) new one, and dial #228. Instructions ask what number you want put on it and verify your identity before making the switch. Phone reboots and you are all set up. No data transfers, unless your phone allows you to back up to microSD card that the new phone can decipher.

But that is if you are current on your bill. I don't think you could do that if you were on restriction. It would also need to be the same provider for the 'new' phone. We don't have the answer to that I think.

 

[LisaB]

Okay, I'll have to read this about 20 times to understand what you're saying, but...HYPOTHETICALLY, if someone were to report that the plain jane phone wasn't able to accept contacts numbers, so DB switched her account to the plain jane phone...would that mean her plain jane phone worked just fine? :waitasec:

See where I'm going with this...HYPOTHETICALLY?

ETA: Today is the day I have to give my kitties babies to new mommies (sigh), so I probably won't see your response until later.

HYPOTHETICALLY

It worked fine except that the service was turned off for nonpayment.

 

[LisaB]

I understood it differently... that JI couldn't call DB's phone and connect because her phone was restricted. Did Picerno actually say the call went to the Verizon PAYMENT center? I thought he just said it went to a Verizon messag that said the phone was not operable. Maybe he was being purposely vague because he knows it doesn't make sense.

I agree that this train wreck with the phones is all to plant reasonable doubt right now. There's no way, if the parents had nothing to hide, there would be this much confusion over phone service.

I wasn't actually quoting the media source... I was quoting the person whose quote I quoted *LOL*.

I mean... Donjeta mentioned JI's call to DB having gone to the payment center and implied that meant he had been using his personal phone, which was supposedly at home on the counter.

 

[natsound]

I notice that Megyn Kelly, in her interview with Picerno, says an 11:57 call was attempted, then the next phone activity was the voice mail checks at 3:17 and 3:32. She skipped over the 2:30 call. Megyn Kelly said in her interview with DB and JI that police told her about the incoming 2:30 call. Was Kelly lying? That kinda pizzes me off.. she should have made that more clear in yesterday's segment.

 

[LisaB]

No her phone would not have to have service to access the contacts. She would just power it up and be able to see the numbers and manually enter them into the 'new' phone. Kind of like if you are transferring old info from an old computer (old phone) to a new computer (new phone) if the internet (phone service) is not connected and your thumb drives (sim cards) are not compatible from one computer to the other.

Somehow this traces back to a comment I made about using two phones to get all the features on just one number. Someone (forgot who) suggested that maybe she planned to activate the borrowed phone without deactivating the old one so she could use her smartphone for things like GPS and Internet and her borrowed phone for calls, if ONLY the "call-making" part of her smartphone was broken. This would require that both phones have active service, and would require separate numbers since you can only have one handset per number and one number per handset at a time. I was saying she could have ALREADY transferred her account to the "plain" phone and any activity from THAT HANDSET would appear on her account along with prior activity from the old handset. I am not sure it would have a line on the bill saying "YOU JUST CHANGED TO A NEW PHONE ON THIS NUMBER. ANYTHING FROM HERE OUT IS FROM THE NEW PHONE." It would not be obvious a new device was substituted from the point of view of the billing statement.

 

[justamommy]

Ha, it is quite possible I made it up as well. I could have sworn I heard say in an interview she was yelling at JI to get the phones but I will make coffee then search for link.

Maybe we should start a list/ thread of facts we know in this case as confirmed by LE:
1) Baby Lisa is missing
2) The phones were reported as missing
3) Um... Er... Anyone got anything else?

:lol: BBM

I am on my first cup of coffee and I when I read that; I thought now wait a minute.:waitasec: When did DB say she was gonna make the coffee? :floorlaugh: :lol: Enjoy your coffee....I will enjoy mine and try to refrain from posting until I'm done. :lol:

 

[Jacie Estes]

I see Nothing, What it tells me is that Jeremy could and did call according to JP, so why is it impossible to believe that Deborah wouldn't check voice mail to see if she had a message. Why would a kidnapper take three phones, find out they are dead and then attempt to activate voicemail and the computer. ? That action would be done by the owner of the phone as far as I am concerned. jmo

BBM

Had they been charging on the counter from the early part of the evening to when they went missing? Were the chargers on the counter after the phones went missing?

 

[natsound]

I wasn't actually quoting the media source... I was quoting the person whose quote I quoted *LOL*.

I mean... Donjeta mentioned JI's call to DB having gone to the payment center and implied that meant he had been using his personal phone, which was supposedly at home on the counter.

Gotcha.... I think.... :headache: :seeya:

 

[LisaB]

But that is if you are current on your bill. I don't think you could do that if you were on restriction. It would also need to be the same provider for the 'new' phone. We don't have the answer to that I think.

I have had a few phones bite the dust, as have friends, and my daughter. We are all on Verizon. When someone's phone dies, one of us usually has an old handset lying around to loan them. DB could definitely switch to a new phone in the 24 hours or so that the service WAS active between being given the new one and the restriction being placed on the account.

If not, it may STILL be possible to swap phones in and out on a plan with a restriction due to billing issues, if only to enable the account owner to activate a working phone to call the billing center.

 

[treeseeker]

I notice that Megyn Kelly, in her interview with Picerno, says an 11:57 call was attempted, then the next phone activity was the voice mail checks at 3:17 and 3:32. She skipped over the 2:30 call. Megyn Kelly said in her interview with DB and JI that police told her about the incoming 2:30 call. Was Kelly lying? That kinda pizzes me off.. she should have made that more clear in yesterday's segment.

I head the same story, that DB told someone LE told her about the 2:30 text, and it wasn't on Megyn Kelly or FOX cable. I just don't remember who it was.

 

[justamommy]

I understood it differently... that JI couldn't call DB's phone and connect because her phone was restricted. Did Picerno actually say the call went to the Verizon PAYMENT center? I thought he just said it went to a Verizon messag that said the phone was not operable. Maybe he was being purposely vague because he knows it doesn't make sense.

I agree that this train wreck with the phones is all to plant reasonable doubt right now. There's no way, if the parents had nothing to hide, there would be this much confusion over phone service.

Respectfully... I think the confusion about the cell service lies with us. I don't think LE/FBI or attys are confused at all. I think we have too many cooks in the kitchen, so to speak. :twocents:

 

[Jacie Estes]

I notice that Megyn Kelly, in her interview with Picerno, says an 11:57 call was attempted, then the next phone activity was the voice mail checks at 3:17 and 3:32. She skipped over the 2:30 call. Megyn Kelly said in her interview with DB and JI that police told her about the incoming 2:30 call. Was Kelly lying? That kinda pizzes me off.. she should have made that more clear in yesterday's segment.

BBM

How many people had the phones in their hands? If the call was attempted at 11:57 and not made the phone is no longer something of value to use. Knowing they can't use the phone then the person who had it then passes it off to someone else for a 'rock'/'bud' and that person is attempting to 'spoof' the phone and has no luck. It is not necessary that the same person had the phone the entire time. IMHO

The pings within the radius; jersey was homeless and crashing in deserted houses, why not be back in the woods, hiding out, until he can make contact with another party. Was Lisa sold for drugs/money?

 

[captdj]

Link-
Bradley & Irwin lawyer John Picerno on Megyn Kelly Fox Show. 2 videos on the page. Article highlights:

11:57pm - 50 second call to MW phone number
3:17am - attempt to get into voicemail and use internet
3:22am - attempt to get into voicemail and use internet
Pings were never more than 1/3 of the mile from Irwin residence. It does not give a time when the pings stopped.

The 2:30am phone call was a rumor.

It is also not mentioned whether this was DB's broken cell or the one she received from her grandfather on Oct. 3rd.

BBM
Ok if getting to the voicemail was very important ... and *86 failed then I think I would want to get on the internet to check my call log thats also available to me from AT&T... not sure about verizon....

Note: My AT&T internet call log isn't real time like my phone but updated maybe every hour?

 

[Jacie Estes]

I found this upthread and didn't want it to get lost in all the confusion. Jim Spellman talks to MW about Dane and when he used the phone. MW says, and I paraphrase here,"....if he's [Dane] not guilty of anything, why is he hiding."; is she bolstering her phone story by deflecting culpability to him?



http://www.kmbc.com/video/29730349/detail.html

 

[natsound]

I head the same story, that DB told someone LE told her about the 2:30 text, and it wasn't on Megyn Kelly or FOX cable. I just don't remember who it was.

Megyn Kelly did indeed say it... came right out of her mouth.

 

[natsound]

BBM

How many people had the phones in their hands? If the call was attempted at 11:57 and not made the phone is no longer something of value to use. Knowing they can't use the phone then the person who had it then passes it off to someone else for a 'rock'/'bud' and that person is attempting to 'spoof' the phone and has no luck. It is not necessary that the same person had the phone the entire time. IMHO

The pings within the radius; jersey was homeless and crashing in deserted houses, why not be back in the woods, hiding out, until he can make contact with another party. Was Lisa sold for drugs/money?

I appreciate your point of view, I just don't buy into the theory of a bunch of cooks in the kitchen. If DB tried to use her own phone and couldn't, then went to bed and someone else sneaked in and tried to use her phone, twice, while manipulating a 10 month old baby, unbeknownst to anyone else... then this is reading much more like a movie script than real life. IMO.

 

[natsound]

Respectfully... I think the confusion about the cell service lies with us. I don't think LE/FBI or attys are confused at all. I think we have too many cooks in the kitchen, so to speak. :twocents:

No way. You owe me Coke. I just used the "cooks in the kitchen" phrase.

No, I don't think they're confused either... but IMO the lawyers want to confuse us.