Cleaning crew member shot and killed on porch after arriving at the wrong house

[Lebowski]

honestly surprised a psychiatric RN and navy vet didn't know better on multiple levels. clearer thinking under pressure? recognizing his own paranoia? defusing dangerous situations rather than escalating them? none of that happened. he just assumed he was under attack and started shooting, as if his brain had been fried by garbage information sources.

 

[Megnut]

shooting was literally his first resort

When he had a safe room, a weapon to protect himself from intruders emphasis on in) and a solid exterior door, locked tight.

LE arrived in minutes.

There was no reason to escalate an unknown situation, especially since he was safe and no one made entry.

He shot blind. Could have been a child. Could have been intoxicated neighbors, stumbling home to the wrong house. Could have been house cleaners at the wrong address.

Reckless, to put it mildly.

JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

• Curt became upset and immediately put his head down on the table.
• After some time, Curt said he didn’t mean for anything to happen to
anybody.

^Then he shouldn't have pointed a gun and pulled the trigger. Someone will get hurt. Someone will die.

This guy had no business owning a gun.

JMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Probable Cause Affidavit:

Whitestown Shooting Media Packet from Press Conference.pdf

drive.google.com

Point 35 is interesting to me.

‘Investigators confirmed that the front door was locked at the deadbolt and handle, and there was no sign of forced entry. Specifically, the exterior of the front door had a layer of dust that was undisturbed. There were no handprints or any evidence of forceful contact with the structure of the door itself. Furthermore, there was no evidence or scratches around the latch and/or door frame.’

Sounds like his claims of the cleaners ‘thrusting’ against the door and getting ‘more aggressive’ are unfounded.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

honestly surprised a psychiatric RN and navy vet didn't know better on multiple levels. clearer thinking under pressure? recognizing his own paranoia? defusing dangerous situations rather than escalating them? none of that happened. he just assumed he was under attack and started shooting, as if his brain had been fried by garbage information sources.

He sounds unwell himself, IMO. We shall see as things unfold.

 

[Dotta]

My first thought, learning about his job, was:

How could this person be a nurse,
especially, a psychiatric one??

(Psychiatric) nurses are usually characterized by:
- empathy,
- strong communication skills,
- critical thinking,
- self-awareness,
- being able to manage complex situations.

SMH

JMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Point 35 is interesting to me.

‘Investigators confirmed that the front door was locked at the deadbolt and handle, and there was no sign of forced entry. Specifically, the exterior of the front door had a layer of dust that was undisturbed. There were no handprints or any evidence of forceful contact with the structure of the door itself. Furthermore, there was no evidence or scratches around the latch and/or door frame.’

Sounds like his claims of the cleaners ‘thrusting’ against the door and getting ‘more aggressive’ are unfounded.

Yoshie also describes the event very differently, telling police she heard ‘the constant turning of a locked doorknob’, not the more violent attempts to enter her husband described.

 

[Dotta]

He sounds unwell himself, IMO. We shall see as things unfold.

BBM

To put it MILDLY!!!

JMO

 

[Lebowski]

i think it's gonna be what someone else said. he had a narrative in his head that there are roving bands of criminals, and they're EVERYWHERE, and they're coming to break down YOUR DOOR, and they're going to KILL YOU (just because), so it's KILL OR BE KILLED. he forgot all his training and experience because that was in his head.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Maria’s husband, Mauricio, estimates they tried the door for 30 seconds to a minute. Curt says it was ‘over a minute’ but did not give a more specific time.

Curt never called out. He never went downstairs.

 

[browneyes]

he gets it now

if only there had been ways for him to get any information at all before Blowing Away the Bad Guys. if only there had been some simple phone number he could have called for help. if only there had been some sort of locked door between him and the Home Invaders so as to protect him.

He only gets it now because he’s been charged. He knew better.

 

[Megnut]

Maria’s husband, Mauricio, estimates they tried the door for 30 seconds to a minute. Curt says it was ‘over a minute’ but did not give a more specific time.

Curt never called out. He never went downstairs.

Ergo... he was never in real danger.

JMO

 

[Cryptic]

So, he was the type to fantasize about a scenario in which he’d have to shoot someone, and be the ‘protector of his castle’. Very telling. MOO.

Though his wife may well be culturally Japanese and showing traditional deference to authorities by providing them with very complete information (door trying was not aggressive, husband was willing to shoot anybody breaking in etc).... I still wonder if the Lord of the Castle has done something to alienate his wife?

In the end, she seems to be very forthcoming with information that is clearly not going to help her husband's case. It's almost like she is distancing herself from him (No- the key trying was not aggressive. He then suddenly did "X". No, I did not affirm doing "X"- and I never encouraged him to do "X" And... oh yeah, he might of stated a pre-disposition to do "X")

 

[PrairieWind]

I think charges are certainly warranted here. I am glad the prosecutor took the time to wade through the evidence available so far.

 

[tlcya]

Probable Cause Affidavit:

Whitestown Shooting Media Packet from Press Conference.pdf

drive.google.com

my main takaways from the PC affidavit

after LE arrived the homeowners refused to come out of the residence. The victim had to be carried by her traumatized husband off the porch and further down the block to await medical attention at the recommendation of LE so that both were no longer in harm's way as officers attempted to convince the homeowner to exit and be secured.

Homeowners eventually did exit from the rear of the residence, meanwhile the EMS arrived to begin to try to render aid to Maria who was subsequently pronounced dead at the scene.

It was discovered that the model home that the couple were hired to clean was located behind the shooter's residence directly to the east.

Upon examination, the exterior of the front door was covered in a noticeable layer of dust which was undisturbed, indicating no sign of attempt to force entry, not even so much as a handprint was found on the door.

Both Curt and his wife seem to indicate in their police interviews that Curt shot first and the 6:50 a.m. 911 call claiming someone was breaking in to their home call was made AFTER that shot. The only other call to 911 was from Maria's husband, also at approximately 6:50 a.m. to inform police his wife had been shot.

The GPS link provided by their boss directed the couple to Anderson's residence instead of the model home nearby that they were meant to clean.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

I wonder if it was a blindly as he makes out? As stated in his words to police upthread, and from pictures of the front door (i will see if I can find msm pics of the door), there's a window above and one to the side of the front door, if the stairs are directly in front of the door, could he see through the top window from the top of the stairs? He may not have been able to see Maria if she was directly in front of the door, but maybe her husband talking to her?

Quoting myself to add image of window in front door.

Screen shot taken from photo in link

Homeowner charged after shooting dead cleaner who came to door by mistake, cops say

The cleaner’s husband said he didn't realize she had been shot until she fell back into his arms, bleeding

www.independent.co.uk

 

[sunspun]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1990682373432779217

"The heartbroken husband said:
'It's not easy when the person you love, your partner at home,
is taken from you just like that.

For me, at that moment,
seeing my wife in my arms,
already lifeless, covered in blood,
I felt like they tore everything from me'.

The 32-year-old mom leaves behind four children,
aged from 11 months to 17 years old."

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In the article above, the shooter's lawyer is quoted as saying, referring to that state's Castle Doctrine law, "That law allows a person to use reasonable force, including deadly force, if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent an unlawful entry into his home."

I want to ask the lawyer this:

If that constitutes reasonable force, then please tell me what unreasonable force would be, as I don't ever want to end up on the wrong side of the law.

 

[Cryptic]

I wondered if perhaps his wife speaks English with an strong accent (her name and his career with the US Navy make me wonder if she might be Japanese)—she handed the phone to him to give the 911 dispatcher the address, which surely she knew herself, having lived there for four years.

Clearly possible.

But, what if her English is pretty good after years in the US in what would likely be a no Japanese environment? If so, handing the phone over rather than give the address might be her way of distancing herself.

Ala: You might as well give the information because this, and anything that stems from this is your problem, not mine.... .

 

[louvillian08]

Quoting myself to add image of window in front door.

Screen shot taken from photo in link

Homeowner charged after shooting dead cleaner who came to door by mistake, cops say

The cleaner’s husband said he didn't realize she had been shot until she fell back into his arms, bleeding

www.independent.co.uk

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From the PCA: "Curt said he could see two individuals outside the front door through the top and side windows at the front door" - this was right after he woke up and went to look.

Then grabbed the gun and went back to the stairs: "Curt said as he approached the top of the stairwell,
he could hear and see that the individuals outside were still trying to get into his home. Curt said he was positioned slightly off to the side of the stairwell at the top and could see two individuals from the same windows of the front door."

 

[tlcya]

Clearly possible.

But, what if her English is pretty good after years in the US in what would likely be a no Japanese environment? If so, handing the phone over rather than give the address might be her way of distancing herself.

Ala: You might as well give the information because this, and anything that stems from this is your problem, not mine.... .

or she could simply be subservient to her spouse and thought the man of the house and holder of the gun should speak to police.