Cleaning crew member shot and killed on porch after arriving at the wrong house

[julyj]

I really wonder how much of them he saw through the window. They are such kind-looking people. He saw enough to tell 911 that they were Hispanic. That tells me something, IMO.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[tlcya]

image of the house from ABC news

there are two windows on the second floor which would appear to give a view of the front porch area of the residence.

 

[sunspun]

i don't think he realized it until the end of the police interview when they told him who he'd shot. his reaction to that was significant.

why the delay exiting? not sure. still hiding in fear of the home invaders, maybe? if he thought the cleaners were an undercover murder squad, maybe he thought the cops were too?

Well, yes, except I believe that upon arrival, the police were immediately instructing the people in the house to exit with their hands up. That may have scared him worse than the cleaners. I think that would give him foreshadowing of what was to come for him, although I do not think he ever expected charges, more likely just expected a hassle.

 

[sunspun]

I can't understand where the world is coming to. What strucks me is that based on the article, many individuals were in the house. The cleaning crew wouldn't have a van parked somewhere close, with a logo? I get that they might think it was a freud, but, first shoot then ask? Everyone hot headed in this house?

AFAIK, the homeowner and his wife were alone in the house. Has it been reported there were others in the house?

 

[sunspun]

image of the house from ABC news

there are two windows on the second floor which would appear to give a view of the front porch area of the residence.

Maybe I just can't tell from the picture, but the porch area looks recessed and under an eave or roof to me, and I don't think you could see who was on your porch by looking out the upstairs windows. But if he said he could, I'll accept what he says.

But I thought everything he said he could see on the porch came from him looking down the stairs and out the front door through the glass windows of the door. And I guess also those narrow glass areas to one side of the front door, if I'm seeing it correctly.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

Now that the shooter has been identified, I have changed my mind. Previously, I was thinking that the shooter could have been an elderly woman. And I could understand, perhaps the fear of a home invasion, or sexual assault. I would have more sympathetic for a woman. Especially if she had a history of assault.

But, a man? Forget it. Wait for the police, or for the people to cross the threshold.

I dont disagree with your sentiment, although I wouldn't change my opinion on shooting through a closed door if this had been the case, but I feel it needs pointing out that those circumstances can just as easily apply to men. Its not a written about, and not as common as violence towards women, but it is more common than we discuss here, and the trauma response is just as valid for men. Jmo

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Equally possible.

Then again, she still seems to be too forthcoming about the fact that the attempt to enter the house was not aggressive and hubby had stated a willingness to shoot intruders before.

My guess is that a subservient spouse would fall back on: Hubby knows best, so the attempt to enter the home must have been aggressive, very aggressive. Instead, I still get "distancing" vibes.

Maybe it’s a combination. I wonder how long they’ve been married? They had been living in that house together for 4 years.

In her statement she said that he directed her to go into “his” bedroom because it had a lock on the door.

They were sleeping in the “loft” which I imagine is just a large landing at the top of the stairs. Was that her bedroom? idk

 

[mickey2942]

I dont disagree with your sentiment, although I wouldn't change my opinion on shooting through a closed door if this had been the case, but I feel it needs pointing out that those circumstances can just as easily apply to men. Its not a written about, and not as common as violence towards women, but it is more common than we discuss here, and the trauma response is just as valid for men. Jmo

Agreed. But I would have had more inclined to see the issue differently as a female.

 

[julyj]

AFAIK, the homeowner and his wife were alone in the house. Has it been reported there were others in the house?

It was stated in the initial article posted. https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/police-investigate-shooting-in-whitestown/. Based on this article Indiana man charged in fatal shooting of cleaning woman who accidentally went to wrong home Maria's husband said they tried unlocking the door for around 30 seconds to 1 minute.

 

[sunspun]

It was stated in the initial article posted. https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/police-investigate-shooting-in-whitestown/. Based on this article Indiana man charged in fatal shooting of cleaning woman who accidentally went to wrong home Maria's husband said they tried unlocking the door for around 30 seconds to 1 minute.

OK, I just re-read both of the articles you linked, and I saw no mention in either of them of there having been more than just the shooter and his wife inside the home at the time of the shooting.

I may have missed it, or you may have read it elsewhere, or you could be mistaken.

 

[Cryptic]

He really doesn't have much experience as a criminal defense lawyer? He chose him just for his staunch pro-2A position? Sounds like a risky (imo, dumb) choice.

I fully agree. I also wonder if the activist attorney chose the shooter?

Though actively soliciting clients appears to be against BAR rules, several months ago I received a call from a Uhhmmm..."legal referral service"- wink, nod. The operator asked if I had been injured recently and whether I needed to file a lawsuit(s).

Given that call, there might be ways around the no solicitation rule.

 

[Cryptic]

In her statement she said that he directed her to go into “his” bedroom because it had a lock on the door.

Wow, that is pretty telling.

I can see a willingness to cooperate fully with the police, even if what is being related could damage the husband's position, as possibly stemming from Japanese culture. Likewise, handing hubby the phone for the address might have several possible explanations.

But.... "his" and "her" bedrooms definetely sounds like a split in the marriage. I knew people with those same arrangements during a generation when small town Catholics simply did not get divorced-period. That expectation / pressure does not exist today. But, maybe starting over in Japan is cumbersome and costly?

 

[tlcya]

yes, the descriptor from the local fox affiliate was confusing as they stated "several" people were inside the home. Several is defined as more than two but not many. IMO the site misused the word several. Only two people were present inside the home.

It was stated in the initial article posted. https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/police-investigate-shooting-in-whitestown/.

above was SBM for focus

 

[julyj]

OK, I just re-read both of the articles you linked, and I saw no mention in either of them of there having been more than just the shooter and his wife inside the home at the time of the shooting.

I may have missed it, or you may have read it elsewhere, or you could be mistaken.

Maybe I understand it wrong? " Several people were in the home and at the scene when it happened, Jurkash said. Investigators recovered a firearm.". There was no mention, at that point in that article of the number of people or who(man , woman) was in the house. Again, if I am reading this wrongly, I am sorry.

 

[tlcya]

Wow, that is pretty telling.

I can see a willingness to cooperate fully with the police, even if what is being related could damage the husband's position, as possibly stemming from Japanese culture. Likewise, handing hubby the phone for the address might have several possible explanations.

But.... "his" and "her" bedrooms definetely sounds like a split in the marriage. I knew people with those same arrangements during a generation when small town Catholics simply did not get divorced-period. That expectation / pressure does not exist today. But, maybe starting over in Japan is cumbersome and costly?

I am not as concerned about what, if anything, the couple having separate bedrooms means. I am a menopausal woman. I moved into my own bedroom a few years ago because between my night sweats and his snoring, neither of us was getting good sleep. lol. If we have a need for the occasional cuddle we know where to find one another.

But it sounds as if both slept in the loft area that night, on the same futon/mattress. Wish I could get an idea of where that area is, top of stairs, or?

 

[sunspun]

Wow, that is pretty telling.

I can see a willingness to cooperate fully with the police, even if what is being related could damage the husband's position, as possibly stemming from Japanese culture. Likewise, handing hubby the phone for the address might have several possible explanations.

But.... "his" and "her" bedrooms definetely sounds like a split in the marriage. I knew people with those same arrangements during a generation when small town Catholics simply did not get divorced-period. That expectation / pressure does not exist today. But, maybe starting over in Japan is cumbersome and costly?

I don't know, but I think it's become much more common today for couples to keep separate bedrooms, even when there is no rift. I know we do in my house! We each just have a lot of stuff though! (Well, mostly me.) ime

 

[sunspun]

Maybe I understand it wrong? " Several people were in the home and at the scene when it happened, Jurkash said. Investigators recovered a firearm.". There was no mention, at that point in that article of the number of people or who(man , woman) was in the house. Again, if I am reading this wrongly, I am sorry.

OK, you're right, I didn't see that word several in there, but I guess it's now been clarified and confirmed two people home at the time. No need to apologize!

 

[borndem]

I don't know, but I think it's become much more common today for couples to keep separate bedrooms, even when there is no rift. I know we do in my house! We each just have a lot of stuff though! (Well, mostly me.)

Same here -- no rift -- we often wake up and go to bed at different times -- cool-natured vs. warm-natured -- it's really not that uncommon -- especially IMO -- after retirement.

 

[Cryptic]

I am not as concerned about what, if anything, the couple having separate bedrooms means. I am a menopausal woman. I moved into my own bedroom a few years ago because between my night sweats and his snoring, neither of us was getting good sleep. lol. If we have a need for the occasional cuddle we know where to find one another.

But it sounds as if both slept in the loft area that night, on the same futon/mattress. Wish I could get an idea of where that area is, top of stairs, or?

Good point regarding a possible alternative explanation.

Though I would still refer to the master bedroom as "our bedroom", I have spent nights on the coach for those same reasons when my wife wanted a good nights sleep in preparation for a longer than usual work day.

Thus, in regards to a police question of "Where do you sleep?", I would have answered "The coach for several days"

 

[dalsglen]

He has one of those faces, you just know he's an absolute azzholio in real life. Getting the wife to phone LE after the fact and then refuse to leave the house, "right yoshie, we gotta pretent to be terrified poor wee sausages".