CO - 3 killed in shootout near/at Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs, 27 Nov 2015 *Arrest*

[CARIIS]

did i miss presser I am EST?

 

[Treelights]

"Family: Waianae woman among those killed in Colorado Springs shooting."

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/...-colorado-springs-planned-parenthood-shooting

This link is not from Colorado Springs, so therefore it is not from the "only Official info source"...

RIP Jennifer Markovsky.
Prayers to your family and friends!

 

[CARIIS]

Also from this link:

"He was generally conservative, but not obsessed with politics. He kept guns around the house for personal protection and hunting, and he taught their son to hunt doves, as many Southern fathers do. He believed that abortion was wrong, but it was not something that he spoke about much. 'It was never really a topic of discussion,' she said."

Snip

"'He complained about everything,' said another neighbor who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity, saying that he feared for his security. 'He said he worked with the government, and everybody was out to get him, and he knew the secrets of the U.S.A. He said, "Nobody touch me, because I've got enough information to put the whole U.S. of A in danger." It was very crazy.'"

From earlier post not obsessed with politics, nor (staements from neighbors linked earlier) also added not teligious at all........

CNn now, claiming he had a conversation about fetus ow whatever directly from the officer ,not IDed of course ! said he was uttering and mumbling he said Whatever the 4 words -- this is not IOMO a conversation or a "dialog" with someone is uttering out mubled stuff .

IMO this is why they are not making any comments about motive, he will be having a psyc eval by tomm at 11 am !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Making that up not repeorted ! But will happen

 

[CARIIS]

Silly, "he wa handing out out phamlets plural. We have all seen where he lives. One neighbor said he handed him a phamlets and wwalked away wiht no dialog.

CNN Handing someone a sheet of paper is hardly "handing out prmplets, plural

 

[CARIIS]

I believe the officers he shot were responding to 911 calls of his shooting. They were not providing security for PP.

That is my understanding as well!!

 

[CARIIS]

Why? Why does it matter?

oh but it does. Can any of us say our upbringing does not shape "entirly" for the rest of our lives ? It is the total "shaper" of any animals existance IMO

 

[CARIIS]

That about all we have to know right there.

Imo media at it again - and individual who tends not to be rleigous does contradict "abortion, . No I am not saying one is perfectully connected to one another. But we have to agress that the biggest oppostion to it comes from that angle .. Save thing with not being into polical stuff, is incongruent to the way they are spinning it;


IMO he uttered four words once and handed someone a sheet of paper , and walked. This guy is not funcioning at a level to do either in the context that he was cognivily oriented to the degree where he is disccuing either IMMO

 

[CARIIS]

That about all we have to know right there.

He said he worked with the government, and everybody was out to get him, and he knew the secrets of the U.S.A. He said, "Nobody touch me, because I've got enough information to put the whole U.S. of A in danger." It was very crazy.'"

IMO Its not "crazy" its an illiness - that looks a lot like delisionial parania!

It is exactly like a bone intruding from a thiegh , it is safe to assume that a bone is cracked after a fall. Mental is identical, it is medical, does have specfic characteritics, just like medical symptomolgy ....IMO

 

[Treelights]

http://gazette.com/crime-scene-from...take-nearly-a-week-to-process/article/1564544

[video=twitter;671067426243514368]https://twitter.com/csgazette/status/671067426243514368[/video]

 

[Chuz Life]

I wondered what the percentages are of the U.S. Population that:

40 - 45% Own guns

50% Are pro-life, anti-abortion or think it should be legal only in some circumstances

40% give approval of Obama's job as president. (average for a US president is 53%)

17 - 21% of the U.S. Population listens to Conservative Talk Radio

Nearly 22 Million U.S. Citizens are Military Veterans.


So, I looked for the statistics, myself. I hope this data sheds some light on the speculations (by some) that there is some sort of correlation between these things and Dear's attack. I also hope that others will agree that Dear's actions puts him in the extreme minority of the percentage of the population that shares some of his beliefs.

It is illogical and unfair to demonize such large segments of the population, simply because they (we?) share some of the same concerns, beliefs and or background of one obviously unhinged individual.

 

[Treelights]

"Iraq War veteran one of Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting victims."
http://gazette.com/army-veteran-was...s-planned-parenthood-shooting/article/1564543

Ke'Arre Stewart,
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!
RIP Ke'Arre!!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

oh but it does. Can any of us say our upbringing does not shape "entirly" for the rest of our lives ? It is the total "shaper" of any animals existance IMO

I'm trying to understand how Dear being the son of a WWII veteran is somehow tied to his actions. Being a vet doesn't make a person raise their children to be violent decades later.

JMO

 

[bluesneakers]

Possible motive for accused Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood gunman: 'No more baby parts'

That he said "baby parts" is what gives it away IMO. I've never heard that from an anti-choice crusader before those videos were released. He didn't say "No more dead babies."

And what if he hadn't seen those videos?

 

[PeregrineFaulkner]

Does schizophrenia often manifest late in life? I thought it was typically a disease that occurred much younger in men. But it seems like he was, by all accounts, a fairly normal guy for most of his life, and only became more isolated and radicalized in the last decade or so. IMO, that's becoming a rather common profile lately.

 

[CARIIS]

All I am thinking about are these families that have LOST their loved ones, and the victims that are hurt.

Certainly there can be debates about this person who did these horrible acts, but there are people that died.

As I posted this about the second KNOWN victim, hmmm....What about the victims, people????

This is upsetting to our community. ALL OF IT.
The Shooter and the victims he killed and hurt.
What about the victims??

These two known victims were FATHERS and HUSBANDS.
Children don't have their father anymore.
Wives are WIDOWS.

SAD!!! JUST SAD!!!!!!!!!!!!
IMOO.

I
think it is media deal. There is nothing different about how any victims survivors feel and think. I hate it when media asks how are you feeling ? It is a , IMO, a stupid question. We have all experinced loss, and it tends to have similiar characteristics.

How can the news midea tell , differntly, how people feel when experincing loss. It is a story that is pretty much the same for most , with nuance....

does that make sense?

 

[bluesneakers]

I'm trying to understand how Dear being the son of a WWII veteran is somehow tied to his actions. Being a vet doesn't make a person raise their children to be violent decades later.

JMO

When did anyone suggest it was tied to his actions? I haven't seen any posts suggesting it did. The fact is his father went to the Citadel and served in the Navy in WWII. No one is blaming him or saying he is the reason Dear did what he did, or suggesting it explains the way Dear turned out. It's just part of the tapestry of his life. Simple facts.

 

[CARIIS]

I find it interesting that he raised his son on his own for so many years.



That article made it really easy to find his user name on that site. I was hoping it would make it easy to dig up more on him. No luck though.

My sense would be that

He was a jogger. He ate healthy. He lifted weights. And he was dedicated to his work. It involved striking deals with artists, mostly Southern ones, who painted Charleston street scenes, Old South plantation tableaus, magnolias, pictures of the Citadel campus. He tended to buy the rights to paintings, commission prints of 1,000 or so, and then market and sell the prints.

All of this was 30 some years ago! "Functioning declines with age !"

 

[PeregrineFaulkner]

I wondered what the percentages are of the U.S. Population that:

40 - 45% Own guns

50% Are pro-life, anti-abortion or think it should be legal only in some circumstances

40% give approval of Obama's job as president. (average for a US president is 53%)

17 - 21% of the U.S. Population listens to Conservative Talk Radio


So, I looked for the statistics, myself. I hope this data sheds some light on the speculations (by some) that there is some sort of correlation between these things and Dear's attack. I also hope that others will agree that Dear's actions puts him in the extreme minority of the percentage of the population that shares some of his beliefs.

It is illogical and unfair to demonize such large segments of the population, simply because they (we?) share some of the same concerns of one obviously unhinged individual.

That's true. We should remember that regardless of just how influenced by the lies and political rhetoric against Planned Parenthood he was, this man represents the extreme minority wing, as do all terrorists.

But, just as we keep at eye on extremist Islamist groups that might inspire terrorist acts, in my opinion, we need to keep an eye on other extremist religious and political groups spreading messages of hate, and to stop electing politicians aligned with them. This was hardly an isolated incident of terrorism against Planned Parenthood, yet a part of our government seems to almost be encouraging these attacks. MOO.

 

[Treelights]

I
think it is media deal. There is nothing different about how any victims survivors feel and think. I hate it when media asks how are you feeling ? It is a , IMO, a stupid question. We have all experinced loss, and it tends to have similiar characteristics.

How can the news midea tell , differntly, how people feel when experincing loss. It is a story that is pretty much the same for most , with nuance....

does that make sense?

You misunderstood my post.
Since this is a thread about the 3 killed at Planned Parenthood, and Also about the killer, I was posting about the victims.
If one looks through the thread in chronological order of when I was posting the second victim's name, there were posts and posts about the KILLER.
And in my heart wrenching angst I mentioned what about the victims?
This second Victim, that has a NAME and a photo attached to his name, Ke'Arre Stewart, was mentioned on the thread but glossed over, to expound more on the KILLER instead of acknowledging the NAME and IDENTITY of the SECOND VICTIM.
I wasn't talking at all about the MEDIA. It was the THREAD! There were a couple posts about Ke'Arre, but that's all.
But alas everyone has opinions and everyone can share their thoughts about the KILLER, but what about the VICTIMS!
Obviously I can't dictate what people post, but my empathetic cry of What About the Victims is how I felt!! IMOO.
The THIRD VICTIM IDENTIFIED is JENNIFER MARKOVSKY.

THE KNOWN VICTIMS:
GARRETT SWASEY
KE'ARRE STEWART
JENNIFER MARKOVSKY

 

[bluesneakers]

My sense would be that

He was a jogger. He ate healthy. He lifted weights. And he was dedicated to his work. It involved striking deals with artists, mostly Southern ones, who painted Charleston street scenes, Old South plantation tableaus, magnolias, pictures of the Citadel campus. He tended to buy the rights to paintings, commission prints of 1,000 or so, and then market and sell the prints.

All of this was 30 some years ago! "Functioning declines with age !"

Funny, I was thinking something along those lines. Once he was isolated and not taking care of himself whatever was going on festered and got worse. He moved far away from his home too so maybe there was even some culture shock which might have contributed to him isolating himself even more. Just some thoughts.