CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #11

[oceanblueeyes]

Seriously?

He "fought" to see... Or was it just another reason to drag his ex back to court? And Dylan was far less thrilled about being there.

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I am dead serious and there would be more than ample time to drive to where MR lived and get Dylan once they saw MR leave. That would explain while his phone and backpack are gone.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don't think anyone in the family would have a motive for Dylan to disappear. I don't think anyone in the family wanted anything more than for him to spend an enjoyable week with his father and friends and return home safely. But this visit fell on the heels of some very tumultuous years and events. It is also right after two separate court proceedings where in at least one that we've heard, Dylan made statements. This would be the first time MR would have had the chance to speak to him about those statements as well. I'm not sure this visit turned out to be as much of a happy reunion between father and son as I'm sure all of the family, including MR, hoped it would be.

MOO

Agreed. And when children make those kinds of statements, each parents lawyer is there as well. What the child said gets back to the parents.


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[TexasCharm]

Seriously?

He "fought" to see... Or was it just another reason to drag his ex back to court? And Dylan was far less thrilled about being there.

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Do we know who initiated most of the court visits? I would love a link. I think I missed that.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think anyone in the family would have a motive for Dylan to disappear. I don't think anyone in the family wanted anything more than for him to spend an enjoyable week with his father and friends and return home safely. But this visit fell on the heels of some very tumultuous years and events. It is also right after two separate court proceedings where in at least one that we've heard, Dylan made statements. This would be the first time MR would have had the chance to speak to him about those statements as well. I'm not sure this visit turned out to be as much of a happy reunion between father and son as I'm sure all of the family, including MR, hoped it would be.

MOO

I respect your opinion but I dont believe that for one second. I see resentment as I have seen in other custody cases where a Judge makes a decision one side of the family doesnt like.

Im not sure we will ever know the real truth about that either. When one parent only says the child felt so and so ......we will never know what the real truth is.

IMO

 

[dogsearch]

I know we all want care about Dylan alot, and want to believe worst case scenario is that Dylan was a little crabby at being tired - which is completely reasonable and probable in my mind..

But there is the possibility that it went farther than that on his end. He's swung at Dad before when he was smaller - with good reason. If Dad seemed unreasonable again, and was jerking him around by the shoulder, or took away his phone and wouldn't physically hand it back, it's possible Dylan would lash out physically now that he is bigger and isn't as afraid of the person he rarely sees. It's not like Mark hurt him during the last altercation, so Dylan wouldn't think 'danger' necessarily.

With that as a possibility, I could totally see the father thinking that the son was out of control and needed to learn to respect his parents before he turned out like his mom or his "out of control/violent" brother. And there is a little residual anger from getting beat up by the other son. From there things get completely out of control. If so, whether Dylan was just mildly injured, or killed, now Mark is in big trouble. He'll lose visitation. He'll still owe child support. He might go to jail (and given history, judge is less likely to be lenient). His sons will no longer speak to him, along with some of his family. He'll lose alot. Everyone will know, and few will give him support. So instead he gets rid of the evidence.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I am dead serious and there would be more than ample time to drive to where MR lived and get Dylan once they saw MR leave. That would explain while his phone and backpack are gone.

Okay so where is he?


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[aust amateur slueth]

I have stepped back some and tried to think of other things I havent thought about before and I came up with this.

Which side of the family would have more of a motive for Dylan to disappear at Mark Redwine's home?

Mark Redwine had won in court his right to see his son over the Thanksgiving holidays. If this is about motive and anger then which side of Dylan's family would be the most upset/angry with the Judge's decision?

I see no reason for Mr. Redwine to harm his child that he had fought for in court to be able to see.

I can see someone though in Dylan's other family being highly pissed about it. Maybe someone who cant be controlled with reasoning and can be a loose cannon at times.

No one has been ruled out......there may be a very valid reason for that,imo.

personally I can't see any of ER's family having reason to do anything. ER had recently been granted sole custody (or to that effect). I also can't see why anyone in ER's family would put her through such awful trauma.


IMO a person who has lost joint custody since the previous visit and who has had to apply to the court to get visitation is going to be the most pissed and have the motive, revenge for perceived wrongs, after all he has clearly stated that his ex wife is his problem, not once have I seen him take responsibility for his behaviour.

whatever is in Dylans sealed court statements holds the key IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I've never seen a case where anger over visitation (on the custodial parent's part) has ever culminated in rage and/or murder. I have seen it happen on the non-custodial parent's part, and often it happens during the visitation.

If they drive or fly to the CP's house, they have too much time they cannot account for (in the cases where the parents don't live near each other) so, it has to happen during the visit.

I never said Dylan has been murdered nor have I mentioned Elaine as the one that may have done this either.

IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

I respect your opinion but I dont believe that for one second. I see resentment as I have seen in other custody cases where a Judge makes a decision one side of the family doesnt like.

Im not sure we will ever know the real truth about that either. When one parent only says the child felt so and so ......we will never know what the real truth is.

IMO

Well, I for one will believe Dylan. Who immediately wanted to see his friends and typed the scowl


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[Kamille]

I respect your opinion but I dont believe that for one second. I see resentment as I have seen in other custody cases where a Judge makes a decision one side of the family doesnt like.

Im not sure we will ever know the real truth about that either. When one parent only says the child felt so and so ......we will never know what the real truth is.

IMO

Not sure I'm following here. So you are thinking of the possibility that someone from ER's side, or ER herself, picked up Dylan and is hiding him so that MR will be blamed for his disappearance? And so that he will never be forced to visit with his father again?

When would be a good time for him to re-appear, or will he ever? Will they just keep hiding him?

MOO

 

[kkdj]

I don't think anyone in the family would have a motive for Dylan to disappear. I don't think anyone in the family wanted anything more than for him to spend an enjoyable week with his father and friends and return home safely. But this visit fell on the heels of some very tumultuous years and events. It is also right after two separate court proceedings where in at least one that we've heard, Dylan made statements. This would be the first time MR would have had the chance to speak to him about those statements as well. I'm not sure this visit turned out to be as much of a happy reunion between father and son as I'm sure all of the family, including MR, hoped it would be.

MOO

Do we know what the statements were that Dylan made to the judge?

 

[Darcyline]

Do we have evidence or a link to the fact that MR was dragging his ex to court all the time? I only see the divorce which I believe was initiated by Mom, the custody change which was initiated by Mom moving, and MR wanting to see his son for Thanksgiving which to me is a parental right and you bet your butt I would be in court trying to see my children.
I may have missed a few pages though?

 

[Linda7NJ]

I never said Dylan has been murdered nor have I mentioned Elaine as the one that may have done this either.

IMO

If I read and inferred from your post who you believe did this is Cory. I ain't buying it.


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[Kamille]

Do we know what the statements were that Dylan made to the judge?

No..those records are sealed and the news agencies were unable to obtain them.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Do we have evidence or a link to the fact that MR was dragging his ex to court all the time? I only see the divorce which I believe was initiated by Mom, the custody change which was initiated by Mom moving, and MR wanting to see his son for Thanksgiving which to me is a parental right and you bet your butt I would be in court trying to see my children.
I may have missed a few pages though?

Yes, you missed it.


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[DylansMom34]

I am dead serious and there would be more than ample time to drive to where MR lived and get Dylan once they saw MR leave. That would explain while his phone and backpack are gone.

I just want to make sure I understand this.. so someone else (I'm assuming you are implying either ER or CR) on Monday, drove from Colorado Springs to MR's house, did something horrible to Dylan, and returned to the Springs. Then when ER received the text from MR that Dylan was missing that afternoon/evening, she got CR and her boyfriend and they drove back to Bayfield?

One question, how would CR or ER know that MR would be away running errands that morning?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well, I for one will believe Dylan. Who immediately wanted to see his friends and typed the scowl


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Really? Have you seen the court documents of what Dylan told the Judge when he granted visitation rights to MR? I havent seen them but I do know the Judge did grant the visitation and I also know that 13 year olds talk directly with the Judge before he/her makes their decision.

A child wants to be anywhere except hanging out with a parent. Parent-time is boring for a 13 year old teen that would much rather be hanging with their friends so I dont consider that anything but normal.

IMO

 

[Confusion]

Everything I write here is just my thoughts on the situation, and I won't be defending any of it. You may not think the same way as I do, but you can't argue that I don't think these things!

I'm wondering if the reason they've asked that there be no children or young people is because they'll be searching along a highway and kids aren't always as observant as they should be.

I'm not criticizing or insulting ER, but I think she has been trying to "glorify" her relationship with Dylan, probably as much to herself as to other people. She has repeatedly made it sound like Dylan was constantly checking in with her and telling her about every move he made (whose house he was at, what he was doing, etc.), but the plane was reported to have landed at around 6 (possibly 6:30 by one source), but he didn't text her and say he was there or that he had been picked up; she asked him if those things had happened and he sent a text back saying "yes". She also said that he always sent her a text before he went to bed (or at least to let her know where he'd be sleeping) and one in the morning, but she wasn't concerned when neither one happened. She also said she usually would send him a text off and on during the day to say she loved him and ask if he was having fun, but in the 24+ hours it had been since she saw him, she either didn't send any texts (other than the arrival/pickup one) or she wasn't concerned about not getting a response.

There were several other things I wanted to cover, but I'll quit for now with this. I'm not saying that ER did anything wrong, but I think people need to remember that she and MR had a very adversarial relationship, and neither is likely to be seeing/painting an accurate picture of the other.
MOO JMO IMNSHO IMHO ETC

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I am dead serious and there would be more than ample time to drive to where MR lived and get Dylan once they saw MR leave. That would explain while his phone and backpack are gone.

but since Dylans plans changed on the sunday night how are any of ER's family going to know that Dylan is going to be there alone in the morning?

there were no phone calls or internet activity to let them know

what possible reason would they have to jeopardise ER's newly gained sole custody?

was there really enoguh time for someone to drive there when they had no idea that Dylan wasn't in Bayfield as he planned to be?

 

[TexasCharm]

How many people right here on this board said they would do ANYTHING to keep their child away from a spouse that might hurt them ...?

Define ANYTHING?

Would you hide them? Would you send them underground? Would you want to make it look like the other spouse is to blame to take him out of the picture altogether?

I know it's unlikely .. and would be a risk to SEND HIM .. if you really thought there was danger..

But I think I understand where obe is coming from.

BTW .. this case makes me soooo sad ... and I'm barely clinging to my fence...

imo