CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #11

[Kamille]

Do we have evidence or a link to the fact that MR was dragging his ex to court all the time? I only see the divorce which I believe was initiated by Mom, the custody change which was initiated by Mom moving, and MR wanting to see his son for Thanksgiving which to me is a parental right and you bet your butt I would be in court trying to see my children.
I may have missed a few pages though?

We have had a few links regarding the fact that this was a protracted divorce and that there were entries almost monthly since 2007. I'd also like to know what MR was going to see his divorce attorney about on Monday morning if he got his wish and his son was visiting with him. Why did he need to go see his attorney during that visit?

MOO

 

[LotusPawprint]

Jumping off your post...

A line of work dad was connected to was United Pipeline Systems... But when reporters made a call to this organization.. the response was basically "no comment"....

this was reported early on in the investigation... Around 11-26 thru 11- 28-2012..

I am mentioning this here because I just remembered it.. Have it in my notes... But unfortunately have no link...

JMO

While we still don't know his current state of employment, here's the comment you were referring to (Durango Herald 11/27/12):

Mark Redwine worked at United Pipeline Systems in April 2010 when a kitchen fire caused heavy damage to his house.


The person who answered the telephone Tuesday at the company in Bodo Industrial Park said, “I’m not going to give out any information at this time” when asked if Redwine still is employed there.

Just an FYI, United Pipeline Systems in Durango is located at 135 Turner Drive in Durango and the company overview reads

UNITED PIPELINE SYSTEMS INC is in the Water, Sewer, Pipeline, and Communications and Power Line Construction industry in DURANGO, CO. This company currently has approximately 20 to 50 employees

bbm

 

[Salem]

I don't think anyone in the family would have a motive for Dylan to disappear. I don't think anyone in the family wanted anything more than for him to spend an enjoyable week with his father and friends and return home safely. But this visit fell on the heels of some very tumultuous years and events. It is also right after two separate court proceedings where in at least one that we've heard, Dylan made statements. This would be the first time MR would have had the chance to speak to him about those statements as well. I'm not sure this visit turned out to be as much of a happy reunion between father and son as I'm sure all of the family, including MR, hoped it would be.

MOO

Can you link the bolded part, please? I think I missed it somehow?

Thanks,

Salem

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I just want to make sure I understand this.. so someone else (I'm assuming you are implying either ER or CR) on Monday, drove from Colorado Springs to MR's house, did something horrible to Dylan, and returned to the Springs. Then when ER received the text from MR that Dylan was missing that afternoon/evening, she got CR and her boyfriend and they drove back to Bayfield?

One question, how would CR or ER know that MR would be away running errands that morning?

I dont know where you are getting that I said anyone did something horrible to Dylan.:waitasec:

Maybe someone knew he had an appointment with his lawyer and wouldnt be taking Dylan there.

I really dont know but I just dont see any motive for a man who had won his right to have his son visit and it happened. MR had nothing to be angry about. He was not denied visitation and it sure wasnt supervised visitation either. Just a regular visit like thousands of other children do every year.

IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Really? Have you seen the court documents of what Dylan told the Judge when he granted visitation rights to MR? I havent seen them but I do know the Judge did grant the visitation and I also know that 13 year olds talk directly with the Judge before he/her makes their decision.

A child wants to be anywhere except hanging out with a parent. Parent-time is boring for a 13 year old teen that would much rather be hanging with their friends so I dont consider that anything but normal.

IMO

No, I haven't seen them. Kids aren't always that open when talking to the judge and dads lawyer is sitting right there barring some provable crime, the judge had no choice but to sanction the visit. The distance would make it darn near impossible to order supervised visits.


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[kkdj]

No..those records are sealed and the news agencies were unable to obtain them.

Sure. That makes sense. One can't help but wonder what Dylan said. However, dad got his visitation so I don't think what he told the judge seemed too awful. and I would think LE is aware of what it was. Jmo

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Really? Have you seen the court documents of what Dylan told the Judge when he granted visitation rights to MR? I havent seen them but I do know the Judge did grant the visitation and I also know that 13 year olds talk directly with the Judge before he/her makes their decision.

A child wants to be anywhere except hanging out with a parent. Parent-time is boring for a 13 year old teen that would much rather be hanging with their friends so I dont consider that anything but normal.

IMO

judges grant visitation in most instances regardless of what the child says, they rationalise that its not that bad, that they should spend time with that parent, and that their parent wouldn't hurt them.

I don't have any reassurance in the judge having granted visitation, its only in very extreme cases that visitation isn't granted.

 

[SuziQ]

Not sure I'm following here. So you are thinking of the possibility that someone from ER's side, or ER herself, picked up Dylan and is hiding him so that MR will be blamed for his disappearance? And so that he will never be forced to visit with his father again?

When would be a good time for him to re-appear, or will he ever? Will they just keep hiding him?

MOO

ITA, what is the end game in this scenario? I'm not visualizing this one at all.

 

[Darcyline]

We have had a few links regarding the fact that this was a protracted divorce and that there were entries almost monthly since 2007. I'd also like to know what MR was going to see his divorce attorney about on Monday morning if he got his wish and his son was visiting with him. Why did he need to go see his attorney during that visit?

MOO

So we have links saying that MR was forcing ER into court every month against her will? I will have to google that...

They just had a custody fight over who got him for Thanksgiving. Not surprising at all to me that he may be seeing his attorney after that-custody battles and visitation are no joke and you need to keep in touch with an attorney throughout that. Like, he may have even been meeting about Christmas.

 

[cluciano63]

If his mom's family was going to hide Dylan, why send him on the plane at all? I mean, if they did hide him, they have to "unhide" him sooner or later, right? So it would all come out anyway. I am not understanding this scenario at all.

 

[Tennlyn]

Could somebody clarify something for me? Was it just Elaine and Cory that saw MR having sex in the front yard with the other woman, or did Dylan witness that also?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

How many people right here on this board said they would do ANYTHING to keep their child away from a spouse that might hurt them ...?

Define ANYTHING?

Would you hide them? Would you send them underground? Would you want to make it look like the other spouse is to blame to take him out of the picture altogether?

I know it's unlikely .. and would be a risk to SEND HIM .. if you really thought there was danger..

But I think I understand where obe is coming from.

BTW .. this case makes me soooo sad ... and I'm barely clinging to my fence...

imo

It doesnt have to necessarily be a danger. It can be because the ex-spouse or family members is still hanging onto the hate they have for the ex.

Havent parents hidden children before when they didnt want them to be with the other parent? How convenient that Dylan oops goes missing the very next morning at dad's home after dad gets visitation rights to be with him for Thansgiving.

Its just a little too coincidental to me.

The people with the motive to be pissed about this was not Mark Redwine and HIS family, imo.

IMO

 

[Kamille]

Can you link the bolded part, please? I think I missed it somehow?

Thanks,

Salem

The reporter states it in the video at this link...

http://www.9news.com/news/article/303598/339/Missing-boys-family-had-violent-history

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If his mom's family was going to hide Dylan, why send him on the plane at all? I mean, if they did hide him, they have to "unhide" him sooner or later, right? So it would all come out anyway. I am not understanding this scenario at all.

Because if he goes missing on Mark Redwine's watch there is a great likelihood he would lose all rights to see his son.

IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

I dont know where you are getting that I said anyone did something horrible to Dylan.:waitasec:

Maybe someone knew he had an appointment with his lawyer and wouldnt be taking Dylan there.

I really dont know but I just dont see any motive for a man who had won his right to have his son visit and it happened. MR had nothing to be angry about. He was not denied visitation and it sure wasnt supervised visitation either. Just a regular visit like thousands of other children do every year.

IMO

IMO he strikes me as someone that is NEVER happy. Evidenced by the court history.


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[kkdj]

judges grant visitation in most instances regardless of what the child says, they rationalise that its not that bad, that they should spend time with that parent, and that their parent wouldn't hurt them.

I don't have any reassurance in the judge having granted visitation, its only in very extreme cases that visitation isn't granted.

In questionable situations sometimes the judge will order monitored visitation. In my grandsons situation it was monitored for 2 hours a week.

 

[SuziQ]

How many people right here on this board said they would do ANYTHING to keep their child away from a spouse that might hurt them ...?

Define ANYTHING?

Would you hide them? Would you send them underground? Would you want to make it look like the other spouse is to blame to take him out of the picture altogether?

I know it's unlikely .. and would be a risk to SEND HIM .. if you really thought there was danger..

But I think I understand where obe is coming from.

BTW .. this case makes me soooo sad ... and I'm barely clinging to my fence...

imo

Maybe if my child were under the age of six. Thirteen seems a bit old to take such drastic actions. I think most custodial parents are law abiding and won't risk losing custody of their kids, or go to jail for ignoring a Judge's order.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I dont know where you are getting that I said anyone did something horrible to Dylan.:waitasec:

Maybe someone knew he had an appointment with his lawyer and wouldnt be taking Dylan there.

I really dont know but I just dont see any motive for a man who had won his right to have his son visit and it happened. MR had nothing to be angry about. He was not denied visitation and it sure wasnt supervised visitation either. Just a regular visit like thousands of other children do every year.

IMO

you're forgetting that Dylan was supposed to be with his mates on monday monring.

changes to custday and visitation are the biggest stressors and are the most likely times for revenge to be meted out.

eg Darcy Freemans father had just recently been given less time with his 3 children when he chose to stop on top of the westgate bridge and throw his only daughter off the bridge, it was supposed to be the 4yr olds first day of school, her brothers saw it happen. it was revenge.

 

[cluciano63]

Because if he goes missing on Mark Redwine's watch there is a great likelihood he would lose all rights to see his son.

IMO

Not if it turned out that the mother's family was responsible.

Also, does not explain why his phone stopped on Sunday night.

 

[Kamille]

judges grant visitation in most instances regardless of what the child says, they rationalise that its not that bad, that they should spend time with that parent, and that their parent wouldn't hurt them.

I don't have any reassurance in the judge having granted visitation, its only in very extreme cases that visitation isn't granted.

In the Michelle Parker case, custody was granted to the LE named prime suspect in her disappearance even though one of her children had told the judge that he witnessed the suspect hitting his mother in front of all three of her children and the suspect has a violent criminal record stretching back 20 years, and the missing woman tried and failed to get a restraining order on him.

Go figure.

MOO