CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #12

[kkdj]

This search is so wonderful! So many many caring and involved people showing up! Dylan has really captured so many hearts!
Wish I could be there!
Hope they find something!

 

[asyousay]

Hmmmm ... Something just popped into my head that I haven't seen posted here before (but apologies in advance if it has and I missed it somewhere in the 147 different threads ).

Many threads ago I speculated that there could have been an argument in the car on the drive home from the airport -- possibly Dylan (being a normal teenager) was expressing his displeasure at being there by ignoring his father by playing on his phone (or simply ignoring his father in general because he didn't want to be there) -- and an argument ensued and the father snapped.

What if -- and I'm purely speculating here -- what if there was an argument, but instead of becoming physically violent, the father snapped, stopped the car, and told Dylan to get out, thinking he would "scare" him into an attitude adjustment. ("You don't want to be here? Then get out and go back to your mother!")

When he went back to get him, he was gone. And now he doesn't want to admit what he did.

Again, purely speculating and throwing out what might be a new idea.

In this case i would of thought he would of admitted what he had done. Millions of parents lose there temper when kids keep pushing and you hiding the truth could cause your sons death. I am sure most parents would feel Sympathy for Mr Redwine in such a case.

 

[mmmagique]

It does seem a stretch that Mr Redwine killed his son within hours of him arriving for Thanksgiving . All kids can be cheeky and Lippy but that's par of the course . You may lose your temper even but killing them is a massive leap .

He must of been in a good mood as well due to it being the holidays and being with his son , so I can't not see him seeing red so quickly after his son arrived .

I can see someone really building something up in their mind, and having it all come crashing down when the adorable loving child they're expecting turns out to be a moody, mouthy teenager. (not saying anything bad about Dylan, but almost all teens can be this way, especially while traveling, and on very little sleep.)

I can see things turning bad in a situation like this, especially when a person may be prone to violence in the first place.

 

[TxJan1971]

Hmmmm ... Something just popped into my head that I haven't seen posted here before (but apologies in advance if it has and I missed it somewhere in the 147 different threads ).

Many threads ago I speculated that there could have been an argument in the car on the drive home from the airport -- possibly Dylan (being a normal teenager) was expressing his displeasure at being there by ignoring his father by playing on his phone (or simply ignoring his father in general because he didn't want to be there) -- and an argument ensued and the father snapped.

What if -- and I'm purely speculating here -- what if there was an argument, but instead of becoming physically violent, the father snapped, stopped the car, and told Dylan to get out, thinking he would "scare" him into an attitude adjustment. ("You don't want to be here? Then get out and go back to your mother!")

When he went back to get him, he was gone. And now he doesn't want to admit what he did.

Again, purely speculating and throwing out what might be a new idea.

ETA: Lest anyone misunderstand the intent of my words, telling a teenager to get out of the car at night in the winter is a violent act, imo, but different than direct physical violent contact. That's all I meant.

Yes, this could be possible, and I admit this thought did cross my mind, but then why hasn't Dylan contacted anyone (i.e. friends, mom, brothers, etc.)?

 

[JaimeSommers]

That theory has been proposed before. I don't find it believable. If he kicked Dylan out of the car, I am pretty sure first thing Dylan would do is contact his mother. And why then he would go to Dylan's friend in Vallecito looking for Dylan there?

Not if his phone was still in the car or had been tossed out the window.

 

[mmmagique]

IIRC, there was a shirt and possibly socks left behind? Why didn't MR offer these up for the scent dogs?

IMO, how well people stage a crime depends on mentally where they are at when doing so. Was MR freaked out and not thinking straight? Was he under the influence? Does he watch CSI or crime shows at all? Did he stage as he went along to match the investigation as it progressed?

Even with the best of efforts, the smartest and most cunning make mistakes when covering up their crimes. My favorites are the husband who claimed his wife went missing when she went jogging. She was found with her shoes on the wrong feet. Her shoe laces were tied the way he would tie his, not the way she would tie hers. Or the wife who disappeared while out running errands. She was found with the dental appliance she wore to bed everynight, still in her mouth.

I liked the guy who said his wife (who was face down in the bathtub) drowned in the bathtub. Who goes to sleep in the tub lying on their tummy?

 

[JaimeSommers]

Yes, this could be possible, and I admit this thought did cross my mind, but then why hasn't Dylan contacted anyone (i.e. friends, mom, brothers, etc.)?

Because (speculating) someone else picked him up? Or he walked into the woods and fell victim to the elements overnight? (Just thinking out loud about possible answers. Definitely not saying you're wrong!)

 

[kkdj]

That theory has been proposed before. I don't find it believable. If he kicked Dylan out of the car, I am pretty sure first thing Dylan would do is contact his mother. And why then he would go to Dylan's friend in Vallecito looking for Dylan there?

I also think he would be looking and looking for his son instead of keeping his morning appts.
Jmo

 

[DylansMom34]

500 searchers combing the entire area. I wonder if anyone is nervous at all...

 

[TxJan1971]

Not if his phone was still in the car or had been tossed out the window.

But do you then think he is out there alone? Because if he is with friends, or if they know where he is, wouldn't he be able to contact his mom through them - at least to tell her - I'm sick of this - I'm not telling you where I am but I'm okay and not coming back?

Unless you're thinking is that he doesn't want anyone to know where he is and is just going to ride it out until he's an adult and don't have to be forced to visit? Just curious for you to expand on why none of his friends have admitted seeing him/hearing from him and he hasn't made contact with anyone. If he is indeed out there all alone, where could he be staying?

 

[Tennlyn]

500 searchers combing the entire area. I wonder if anyone is nervous at all...

I am. Oh...wait...that's not the type of nervous you meant.

ETA: Actually I'm hopeful and terrified. I don't know whether to hope they find something, or hope they don't. kwim?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

http://www.gazette.com/articles/volunteers-148264-dylan-search.html

Quote from article above:

"Much of the activity takes place at Hess' video store, a hub for all things Dylan."

 

[Scanner]

I hope someone is nervous. More importantly, I hope Dylan is found.

 

[jjenny]

Because (speculating) someone else picked him up? Or he walked into the woods and fell victim to the elements overnight? (Just thinking out loud about possible answers. Definitely not saying you're wrong!)

I would think that anybody who cared about their child would contact police after cooling down, in such a situation. And MR here claimed Dylan was the light of his life.

 

[Confusion]

Noboby here is outright accusing Dad of anything. We are simply following the path as the chips fall. Even though I'm leaning that way I am certainly open to other options.

You may not be, but I believe several people have been accusing him. MOO

Thats the problem for me anyway. I havent seen any really facts that support guilt one way or the other for anyone.

But I do agree........I dont take my opinion lightly either. I am quite comforable with the decisions I make though but if something should come out that LE releases to steer me in a different direction I can change my opinion in a heartbeat.

My opinion is never set in stone in any case unless changes are announced by LE such as a change in status and LE specifically names a possible suspect or POI.

But in this case no suspect has been named much less a POI and Monday will be three weeks.

At this time I am still open to other possibilities except I never believed Dylan would run away and Im glad LE ruled that out. LE has not taken off the table from the get go though...."abduction' and I think they have a very valid reason for not ruling out that possibility.

IMO

I think I'm on the same page as you are. I've never said that MR didn't do anything, I've just said there's no evidence of it at this time. If I hear from LE that there is evidence, I'll change my focus. I personally feel we've gone over almost every way that MR could have murdered him, along with everything anyone could find evidence of him ever doing wrong or even been accused of doing wrong. My problem is that IF he didn't do it, somebody else did. I can see no reason to wait until he's been tried and exonerated in court to look at what some of those other options might be. If everyone becomes totally focused on one person's guilt, there's a good chance that any evidence of it being someone else will be overlooked or thrown aside. MOO

my guess would be hell yes she told them and she would have told them why she thought that too.

I'd say her suspicions would also have been queried when she took the LDT

I don't doubt it, she didn't wait very long to tell the country. MOO

Oh I hear ya! But why would mom point the suspicious finger at her ex and say the things she did if she did not believe what she was saying? I mean her child is missing! The goal is to find her child and she is suggesting where to look! Sure got my attention!
Jmo

As people have pointed out repeatedly here, what other people do doesn't always make sense. She may really believe it, she may have just said it out of anger/spite, or she may have been so upset that she just blamed it on the person she wouldn't be upset to be wrong about. Who knows? MOO

Hmmmm ... Something just popped into my head that I haven't seen posted here before (but apologies in advance if it has and I missed it somewhere in the 147 different threads ).

Many threads ago I speculated that there could have been an argument in the car on the drive home from the airport -- possibly Dylan (being a normal teenager) was expressing his displeasure at being there by ignoring his father by playing on his phone (or simply ignoring his father in general because he didn't want to be there) -- and an argument ensued and the father snapped.

What if -- and I'm purely speculating here -- what if there was an argument, but instead of becoming physically violent, the father snapped, stopped the car, and told Dylan to get out, thinking he would "scare" him into an attitude adjustment. ("You don't want to be here? Then get out and go back to your mother!")

When he went back to get him, he was gone. And now he doesn't want to admit what he did.

Again, purely speculating and throwing out what might be a new idea.

ETA: Lest anyone misunderstand the intent of my words, telling a teenager to get out of the car at night in the winter is a violent act, imo, but different than direct physical violent contact. That's all I meant.

I'd consider it a possibility if we learned that the ipod was Mark's and the clothes left behind were still there from September's visit. As it is, I don't think it's likely, but I've come up with much worse ideas. The important thing to me is to make sure every possibility has been considered.

 

[JaimeSommers]

But do you then think he is out there alone? Because if he is with friends, or if they know where he is, wouldn't he be able to contact his mom through them - at least to tell her - I'm sick of this - I'm not telling you where I am but I'm okay and not coming back?

Unless you're thinking is that he doesn't want anyone to know where he is and is just going to ride it out until he's an adult and don't have to be forced to visit? Just curious for you to expand on why none of his friends have admitted seeing him/hearing from him and he hasn't made contact with anyone. If he is indeed out there all alone, where could he be staying?

No, no. Sadly, I don't think Dylan was alive for very long after his arrival that night. I don't think anyone is hiding him nor do I think that he is intentionally staying away.

Something happened to separate him from his phone, from his ability to call or text for help. I'm just trying to think of the possibilities -- for example, father threw it out the window; whatever happened (whether in the car or elsewhere) happened fast and Dylan had no time; Dylan could not get a signal where he was.

I'm just trying to think through it.

 

[Scanner]

Did MR say Dylan was the 'light of his life'? I know it was reportedly said 'out like a light'. What's with the 'light' reference (s)?

 

[TxJan1971]

Because (speculating) someone else picked him up? Or he walked into the woods and fell victim to the elements overnight? (Just thinking out loud about possible answers. Definitely not saying you're wrong!)

Jaime, one other thing I forgot is that LE is calling this a "criminal" investigation which kind of rules out their belief that Dylan may have walked into the woods and fell victim to the elements. Is this scenario possible? Yes. But all we have at the moment is that LE is calling this a criminal investigation.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/task-force-searches-home-of-dylan-redwines-father-does-not-call-father-a-suspect

 

[kkdj]

Maybe in the heat of the moment she lashed out. They clearly have a very bad history and he was the last one to see him alive. When the shock wears off , maybe she changed her mind as are they both not on the searching today ?.


It does seem strange that they do not consider him a suspect when you would assume him seeing Dylan last points the finger in his direction until proven otherwise!!

Oh I think he is not ruled out or named as a suspect at this time. But I think he is definitely on their radar.
Imo

 

[PaulR]

Jaime, one other thing I forgot is that LE is calling this a "criminal" investigation which kind of rules out their belief that Dylan may have walked into the woods and fell victim to the elements. Is this scenario possible? Yes. But all we have at the moment is that LE is calling this a criminal investigation.

The thing to remember is that we do not know why LE is calling this a criminal investigation. It could be because they have evidence of a crime but if so they haven't released that. It would be because they think they have ruled out any voluntary disappearance by Dylan, which I think is more likely given that they searched the lake and he hasn't been found alive yet at a friend's place.