CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #13

[momrids6]

something no ones mentioned yet was the information that a sock identified as the type Dylan would wear was found during the search.

what do we make of that?

Thanks for the infomation: I did not get that tidbit from a quick highlight from another member. I am wondering if we are going to hear what LE makes of that...? Unfortunately, there are not many types/brands of socks for teen boys around, like there are for girls. I'm afraid we may be waiting, and waiting and waiting for DNA- and they may choose to not disclose
ETA: maybe not DNA- I should have said testing, matching up with the mate , etc.... All 4 of my boys wear the same style (cut) and brand of socks.

 

[tarmancer]

Why would he tell her that he didn't pass the lie detector?

Terri Horman told her husband and Kyron's mother that she herself failed poly didnt she?

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I should have known what tact Marc Klaas was going to take tonight. He was anti-Mark Redwine during the interview with Nancy Grace last week.

I just thought that as a parent who lost a child, he'd understand that no one behaves the way one expects them to. Everyone is looking at you thinking you did it. If you are lucky, they aren't in your face about it, getting on national news outlets outright accusing you of having everything to do with it.

I was watching a show last night......Motives & Murders or Cold Blood or Unsual Suspects. It was about a man whose sister was murdered by a serial killer. Years later his wife disappeared.

He said years later that everyone was saying that he did it, that he couldn't possibly be innocent, he was giving interviews, smiling on camera, looking like he wasn't grieving. After the murderer was caught, with plenty of DNA evidence as well as the person who murdered his wife having her jewelry, he said that during the time following his wife's disappearance, everything seemed surreal, that he was numb, in a fog, doesn't even remember most of it. He said that when he sees some of that footage, he can see where people might have thought he wasn't grieving and that he did it, but he was innocent, he had nothing to do with it.

I believe Beach (?) said earlier that Marc Klaas is usually very supportive of parents, so maybe he isn't this time for a reason?

 

[Confusion]

True. But it is now halfway through December. Dylan packed for his trip in Mid-November. So they probably did not expect there to be any blizzards. But if there were, I am sure that Dad had some warm clothes in his closet. JMO

We normally do have cold weather and snow long before December, read about the Halloween blizzard in 1991. Like I said, I don't keep up with the weather in Colorado, or other states for that matter, so it's quite possible that it's just the Midwest that has lousy weather in late November. :dunno:

 

[nikb]

Oh yeah, I remember that conversation. But wouldn't that be the perfect time to say " fwiw, I passed the poly last week."

The way you are describing it, him being upset that everyone is listening to ER, instead of him, and her being on the show instead of him, makes him sound kind of immature and spiteful. JMO

Maybe I don't understand poly tests very well but do you really "pass" or "fail" one? I've always been suspicious of people saying they "passed" a poly because I just didn't think that's how it worked. I could be wrong. Also by "suspicious" I don't mean suspicious that they committed a crime, I've just always thought it was strange phrasing.

Also Katydid I agree with you on how things are coming across.. maybe it's just me but I kinda see both of them as coming across as spiteful and immature. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Confusion]

Maybe I don't understand poly tests very well but do you really "pass" or "fail" one? I've always been suspicious of people saying they "passed" a poly because I just didn't think that's how it worked. I could be wrong. Also by "suspicious" I don't mean suspicious that they committed a crime, I've just always thought it was strange phrasing.

Also Katydid I agree with you on how things are coming across.. maybe it's just me but I kinda see both of them as coming across as spiteful and immature. I hope I'm wrong.

It's not just you.

 

[katydid23]

Thanks for the infomation: I did not get that tidbit from a quick highlight from another member. I am wondering if we are going to hear what LE makes of that...? Unfortunately, there are not many types/brands of socks for teen boys around, like there are for girls. I'm afraid we may be waiting, and waiting and waiting for DNA- and they may choose to not disclose
ETA: maybe not DNA- I should have said testing, matching up with the mate , etc.... All 4 of my boys wear the same style (cut) and brand of socks.

I am kind of worried about the 'general' feeling of that description. I mean the 'kind' of socks he would wear is so broad reaching. So I hope it is not a false lead.

 

[Seajay]

That is true but some things just do not make sense in this disappearance which is why some people are asking questions about MR.

True, but when you think about it, Polly was one of the first children to be abducted from their bedrooms. Pretty much before that it was unheard of. I remember that story being questioned and hinky back in the day. Marc Klaas looked guilty to a lot of people, his story made no sense. Back then, who goes into someone's house when the parents are home and takes a child from their bed???? Now you hear about it all the time but back then, not at all.

He knows what it feels like to be questioned, to have his love for his child questioned, to think he could have harmed his own daughter. He knows. And he knows that things didn't sound right when he said them.

How are you suppose to act when your child disappears?? There is no handbook. There is no right or wrong way to do it, it's all individualized.

When someone sees a mouse, they don't all react the same way. My mother screams, freaks out and stands on chairs, yelling at the top of her lungs for my father to kill it. I just roll my eyes and walk into another room til it's caught. Yet I have a friend that picks up snakes and plays with them, I scream and freak out if I see a picture of one. I almost have a heart attack when I see one.

Look at this place. No one sees eye to eye on anything. For every item there is to discuss, there are no less than 25 different interpretations of what it means. Which one is right? Which one is wrong??? We don't know.

 

[katydid23]

Maybe I don't understand poly tests very well but do you really "pass" or "fail" one? I've always been suspicious of people saying they "passed" a poly because I just didn't think that's how it worked. I could be wrong. Also by "suspicious" I don't mean suspicious that they committed a crime, I've just always thought it was strange phrasing.

Also Katydid I agree with you on how things are coming across.. maybe it's just me but I kinda see both of them as coming across as spiteful and immature. I hope I'm wrong.

I have just spent the past 6 months reading up on polygraphs. Only because my 24 yr old just had to take a very extensive one to try and be admitted to the Sheriff's Academy. He did take his poly and he PASSED. And that is exactly the term they used, but it is more complicated than that. So you are right.

On the day he took the test, the examiner told him it had to be sent somewhere else to be evaluated. So there were no instantaneous results. But weeks later on his background examiner told him he passed the poly.

 

[Seajay]

Originally Posted by aust amateur slueth
something no ones mentioned yet was the information that a sock identified as the type Dylan would wear was found during the search.

what do we make of that?

I hadn't heard anything about this. That's interesting. It will be interesting to see what forensics find on it, if anything. I sure hope it's not Dylan's.

 

[asyousay]

He knows what it feels like to be questioned, to have his love for his child questioned, to think he could have harmed his own daughter. He knows. And he knows that things didn't sound right when he said them.

How are you suppose to act when your child disappears?? There is no handbook. There is no right or wrong way to do it, it's all individualized.

When someone sees a mouse, they don't all react the same way. My mother screams, freaks out and stands on chairs, yelling at the top of her lungs for my father to kill it. I just roll my eyes and walk into another room til it's caught. Yet I have a friend that picks up snakes and plays with them, I scream and freak out if I see a picture of one. I almost have a heart attack when I see one.

Look at this place. No one sees eye to eye on anything. For every item there is to discuss, there are no less than 25 different interpretations of what it means. Which one is right? Which one is wrong??? We don't know.

Exactly!!

So i am sure he is not being malicious to MR and is just thinking what a lot of people are thinking.

Maybe somebody did snatch Dylan but if so then there was one hell of a lot of co-wink-a-dinks involved that day which is why i am struggling with MR's story.

For me personally i can not get past the mobile inconsistency's and why no note was left if it had indeed broken .

 

[Confusion]

I have just spent the past 6 months reading up on polygraphs. Only because my 24 yr old just had to take a very extensive one to try and be admitted to the Sheriff's Academy. He did take his poly and he PASSED. And that is exactly the term they used, but it is more complicated than that. So you are right.

On the day he took the test, the examiner told him it had to be sent somewhere else to be evaluated. So there were no instantaneous results. But weeks later on his background examiner told him he passed the poly.

I think it takes an expert to read them because people will have different responses. They have to have a baseline so they know, to some extent, how they 'look' when they lie. With some questions, it might cause an emotional response, and could look like lying to a layperson. I think that's another thing that can make them inconclusive; if a lie has to spike to a certain point, and the answer spikes but not to the necessary level. MOO

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I hadn't heard anything about this. That's interesting. It will be interesting to see what forensics find on it, if anything. I sure hope it's not Dylan's.

I hope its not Dylans, and I hope its not a red herring to mislead investigators.

 

[Seajay]

Exactly!!

So i am sure he is not being malicious to MR and is just thinking what a lot of people are thinking.

Maybe somebody did snatch Dylan but if so then there was one hell of a lot of co-wink-a-dinks involved that day which is why i am struggling with MR's story.

For me personally i can not get past the mobile inconsistency's and why no note was left if it had indeed broken .

I felt he was, because he called Mark cruel and something else, either malicious and vicious or something, can't remember right now, it's late, for not returning Elaine and Cory's texts, etc.

But for all we know, when he text Elaine to ask her if she heard from Dylan, she sent him back a string of expletives that would burn your eyes. And maybe they continued. Then she had Cody text him and maybe he did so with the same attitude. Who knows.

But Marc didn't know that or find out, he just took her word for it that she sent texts and he didn't return them. But before knowing WHY, Marc decided it was cruel.

And for all we know, he may have been being interrogated at the time by police. Because remember, after she text her and asked her if she'd heard from Dylan, she called to report it and he went to the police department to report it. He may have been right in the middle of filing this report when she was burning up the phone with texts or calls. And as far as if she were calling to tell him she heard from Dylan, if he was at the police station, she could have called there and told them that she heard from Dylan and Mark would have heard that way.

I'm just saying he didn't know why and he didn't give any benefit of the doubt. However, he hemmed and hawed to make sure he was very delicate when addressing Elaine going on National TV saying that she thought he'd do something bad to Dylan to get even with her. (paraphrased.) He said in the nicest possible way that it wasn't right but under the circumstances of having a missing child, she was under stress and got carried away. Really??? And Mark had a missing child also and he didn't get a pass.

That's sorta my point. Just something I was thinking about.

 

[sorrell skye]

I fail to understand why ER has been continually blamed for MR's behavior.

 

[Confusion]

I fail to understand why ER has been continually blamed for MR's behavior.

By who?

 

[sorrell skye]

By who?

Please refer to previous posts where it has been stated that MR has been maligned by ER and/or was reacting to statements made by ER for the answer to your question.

 

[Confusion]

Please refer to previous posts where it has been stated that MR has been maligned by ER and/or was reacting to statements made by ER.

I don't see how that is blaming her for his behavior.

 

[sorrell skye]

MR himself seems to blame ER, based on this statement he made on December 3rd:

“The community’s been great. My problem is my ex-wife. She seems to have all the answers, and she seems to be the one everybody wants to listen to.”

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121203/NEWS01/121209881/0/NEWS04/Police-reveal-no-new-leads

 

[Confusion]

MR himself seems to blame ER, based on this statement he made on December 3rd:

“The community’s been great. My problem is my ex-wife. She seems to have all the answers, and she seems to be the one everybody wants to listen to.”

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121203/NEWS01/121209881/0/NEWS04/Police-reveal-no-new-leads

I have a lot of problems, but that doesn't mean they're responsible for my behavior (or that I'm blaming them for it).

ETA: I'm not being rude if I don't respond to your message. I'm just going back to my earlier decision to not sit here on a thread for Dylan talking about nothing but his father.