CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #14

[Confusion]

Of course we don't know what any witnesses (whether they are the children witnesses or any adults) may have told LE. So like nearly everything else on this case, it is all speculation...

That's my biggest problem here (meaning here in my head). Too much has been speculation that totally ignores some of the few 'facts' we do have. I keep reading that "My child would never do this", "My husband would do that", "I would never do this, I'd do that!" The problem is that this isn't us, our children or our spouses; it's Dylan. We've been told that he's tech savvy, but that has nothing to do with being addicted to a cell phone; is it that ER doesn't know what the phrase means, or that people here are misunderstanding what she meant? We've been told he's not an outdoorsy kid, but other than school pictures most of the photos and the video I've seen have been playing sports or doing something outdoors. We've been told that he didn't want to go to his dad's for Thanksgiving, but none of his friends has ever mentioned it. I think a child's friends are more likely to know how they really feel about things than his/her mother or aunt is (or father, as far as that goes.)

 

[bambi_sue]

I haven't posted in awhile, but I'm still following along here and hoping for news.

 

[LotusPawprint]

I haven't posted in awhile, but I'm still following along here and hoping for news.

Hey! Thanks for all of your research on flights a couple weeks ago. :seeya:

 

[Redux]

This is a real long shot, and I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but is there any way that cadaver dogs could still pick up the scent if that boy's body/remains were in the lake/reservoir? TIA

I don't know, seems like any traces would have been long washed away, but I don't know thing one about cadaver dogs.

Just wondering aloud and speaking to no one in particular - I was wondering if there are any known abductors/killers that have gone for decades without being caught. 28 years is a loooong time for there to be any connection, or likelihood that one person would be responsible for both abductions, but if someone doesn't get caught, seems like their deeds could span a lifetime if they had the opportunity.

 

[rebeccaeee]

I don't know, seems like any traces would have been long washed away, but I don't know thing one about cadaver dogs.

Just wondering aloud and speaking to no one in particular - I was wondering if there are any known abductors/killers that have gone for decades without being caught. 28 years is a loooong time for there to be any connection, or likelihood that one person would be responsible for both abductions, but if someone doesn't get caught, seems like their deeds could span a lifetime if they had the opportunity.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/aug/08/long-trail-sometimes-cold-led-arrest-slayings-1978/

Just had one here in Las Vegas. Not suggesting with any seriousness that a predator has been dormant in CO for that long, but since you asked....

 

[nursebeeme]

A big welcome to all of our new members! We are glad you are here!:cheer:

 

[SeaEclipse]

I am not even sure I now buy he would of refused to get up at 6:30am

He is a young active 13 year old and he had over 9 hours sleep which is a lot and over the recommended 6/7 hours we need !

Add in the fact he was super excited to see his friends the night before and could not go , so that excitement would build and not diminish over night . It's his first day of his holiday and he has plans with his friends , why would he not get up ????

9 hours of sleep is actually about average for a 13 year old. (See: http://www.cdc.gov/features/sleep/) I would challenge you to find a single study/doctor that says a *thirteen* year old only needs 6-7 hours of sleep. In fact, most reputable sources now say that adults require 7-9 hours.

 

[tiredblondy]

These are Dylan's friends talking in a phone interview to The Durango Herald 11-24-12



Ryan and friends Fernando Stubbs and Wesley Herring were part of a group of residents Saturday going door-to-door in Bayfield on County Road 502, handing out fliers with information about Dylan.

“We asked (residents) about any sheds or barns where he could take shelter,” Fernando said.

The boys said Dylan wasn’t shy about hitching rides.

“Honestly, I think he was walking into Bayfield and got taken away,” he said.

Wesley agreed.

“I don’t think he’s one to run away,” he said.

http://durangoherald.com/article/201...r-missing-teen

 

[Ransom]

I don't know, seems like any traces would have been long washed away, but I don't know thing one about cadaver dogs.

Just wondering aloud and speaking to no one in particular - I was wondering if there are any known abductors/killers that have gone for decades without being caught. 28 years is a loooong time for there to be any connection, or likelihood that one person would be responsible for both abductions, but if someone doesn't get caught, seems like their deeds could span a lifetime if they had the opportunity.

We have an entire section dedicated to just that .... Serial Killers
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=468"]Serial Killers - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Ransom]

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/aug/08/long-trail-sometimes-cold-led-arrest-slayings-1978/

Just had one here in Las Vegas. Not suggesting with any seriousness that a predator has been dormant in CO for that long, but since you asked....

May not have been dormant!! Some move all around.

 

[tiredblondy]

9 hours of sleep is actually about average for a 13 year old. (See: http://www.cdc.gov/features/sleep/) I would challenge you to find a single study/doctor that says a *thirteen* year old only needs 6-7 hours of sleep. In fact, most reputable sources now say that adults require 7-9 hours.

Some of us need 12 hours or more too...:angel: I read somewhere as you got older you need less and less sleep. I keep wondering what's wrong with me???:waitasec:

My kids were very different about the amount of sleep they needed. My daughter could go on minimal sleep with no ill effects, my son was another story!

 

[Crosby87]

Yes that's what I'm thinking. Its' pretty natural and common to be jealous of one's x. So possibly during the MR ER marriage, MR was always jealous of the first hubby. Perhaps when things started to fall apart, ER was paying more attention to x hubby. Maybe an affair with x hubby even caused the MR ER marriage to fail. Who knows? So while the events themselves are not hinky ish, MR's reaction or attitude about it may explain a lot of the tension between the two today. I'm imaging things like '' he was always a better hub than you '' Or from the x to MR ' you werent' man enough to keep her'' . OF course I just made those statements up and they were never said by these parties, to my knowledge. But You know people in heat of divorce say these kind of things to hurt each other. Some people are able to ignore them and others are not.

Ugh and then I thought of something horrible.......... supposed Dylan said something unforgivable in MR 's mind like " mike? is a way better dad than you , I wish I was his kid instead'' .... pretty common kinda talk for a mad 13 yr old and it would have gone all over MR.

BBM

Yes and understably MR would be angry at Dylan for rejecting him.

MR said he had no support from his community and in contrast, Dylan had plenty of friends in many communities so was MR jealous of Dylan because of all the friends he had and the life he lived? Possibly.

Imo, MR was unhappy and at a low point in his life and in contrast Dylan was happy and at a high point in his life.

If MR was jealous of his son and felt rejected by him, he would hide these feelings from others and only express them when he was alone with Dylan.

Hidden jealousy and resentment could explain why MR didn't allow Dylan to see his friends and Dylan's phone was shut off shortly after MR picked him up at the airport. MR should have been driving his son to spend the night with his friend at 8 pm and none of Dylan's plans with his friends materialized because of interference from MR. If Dylan spent all his time with his friends during his previous visit in September, MR may have decided on this trip things would be different.

And, MR could have been jealous of the two substitute father figures Dylan had in his life at this time; his older brother and Mike. ER said MR didn’t spend quality time with his son so Cory probably filled his father’s shoes in his childhood and MR was upset with his ability to bond with everyone but him.

Often when a father is absent, the older brother becomes a substitute father figure to the younger children and Dylan had known his mother’s partner Mike for many years so MR, being the biological father, may have wanted to separate HIS son from these father figures to REclaim him.

I doubt Dylan would know and understand any of this when he came to visit his dad so Dylan was susceptible to foul play when he was alone with Mark imo.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Back to brainstorming. Assuming something horrible happened to Dylan, either Sunday after 8 or Monday after 730, (which allows for multiple suspects) WHERE would someone dump a body in and around Bayfield? Also temporarily ruling out abduction and kidnapping away from the area by a stranger (because that voluminous chasm of possibility is too much for me this morning). Let's look at locals, MR included, and known stomping grounds. In my town, there are lots of places one would go looking for a body. Heck- our local PD has an interactive map that shows where bodies have been discovered in the past 20 years. Creepy but also pretty helpful. Any such ideas besides the Reservoir?

In unrelated news, someone who was at the search last weekend and in somewhat close contact with the fam has been posting some fairly inflammatory bits on the Find Dylan FB page about how text service is darn reliable with the same carrier Dylan was using when you are standing right outside MR's house. I think she means that it is absurd to think Dylan was wandering outside to get a signal and was abducted.

I've messaged her and suggested she come over here

 

[tamild]

I would like to know the statements that ONLY the LE has made... Not Mom or Dad.

I've been trying to find this as well. So far, they haven't said much, and what they have said has been left open to interpretation. For instance:

GRACE: Sergeant Bender, is it true that nobody can confirm he is seen or heard from since he texted home when he arrived at his dad`s house Sunday night?

BENDER: My understanding is -- and our investigators have checked his cell phone. Also, cell phones have GPS`s, so if they`re turned on, that gives a general location of the person. And we have been following up on those right along, and there`s been no activity on his phone whatsoever since Sunday evening sometime.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1211/28/ng.01.html

So does this mean that the phone was turned off and has not been turned back on? That's what the FB page says, but it also says that Dylan's phone doesn't have GPS, so IDK?

 

[Confusion]

9 hours of sleep is actually about average for a 13 year old. (See: http://www.cdc.gov/features/sleep/) I would challenge you to find a single study/doctor that says a *thirteen* year old only needs 6-7 hours of sleep. In fact, most reputable sources now say that adults require 7-9 hours.

I know I'm not typical of an adult, and I'm definitely not a 13 year old. I always talk to my birds after I cover their cages at night to calm them down so they go to sleep. Last night I sat on the loveseat next to the cages and talked for a couple minutes, and the next thing I knew it was almost 13 hours later. Sometimes when you're overtired or under the weather (like staying up most of the night when you aren't used to it), you end up sleeping a lot more than you would under normal circumstances.

 

[Darcyline]

Confusion-I think that is an important point. We are talking about normal and normal circumstances and what is normal for Dylan, but the situation was not normal so I don't think we can really say what normal would be for him. He does not normally fly in to see his Dad so his actions could very well be different than when he is with his Mom.

 

[Confusion]

BBM[/B]

Yes and understably MR would be angry at Dylan for rejecting him.

MR said he had no support from his community and in contrast, Dylan had plenty of friends in many communities so was MR jealous of Dylan because of all the friends he had and the life he lived? Possibly.

Imo, MR was unhappy and at a low point in his life and in contrast Dylan was happy and at a high point in his life.

If MR was jealous of his son and felt rejected by him, he would hide these feelings from others and only express them when he was alone with Dylan.

Hidden jealousy and resentment could explain why MR didn't allow Dylan to see his friends and Dylan's phone was shut off shortly after MR picked him up at the airport. MR should have been driving his son to spend the night with his friend at 8 pm and none of Dylan's plans with his friends materialized because of interference from MR. If Dylan spent all his time with his friends during his previous visit in September, MR may have decided on this trip things would be different.

And, MR could have been jealous of the two substitute father figures Dylan had in his life at this time; his older brother and Mike. ER said MR didn’t spend quality time with his son so Cory probably filled his father’s shoes in his childhood and MR was upset with his ability to bond with everyone but him.

Often when a father is absent, the older brother becomes a substitute father figure to the younger children and Dylan had known his mother’s partner Mike for many years so MR, being the biological father, may have wanted to separate HIS son from these father figures to REclaim him.

I doubt Dylan wouldn't know and understand any of this when he came to visit his dad so Dylan was susceptible to foul play when he was alone with Mark imo.

I do hope this isn't going to turn into another one of these comments some one makes that is repeated so many times, twisted into numerous scenarios, and agreed with by so many people that it's eventually considered to be a "fact". MOO

 

[asyousay]

IMO , it is all to convenient that Dylan slept in and then did not turn on his mobile phone and just left home without communicating with anybody before he left home .

 

[MrsPC]

I finally got to listen to Tricia's interview with Mark Klaas last night and one sobering statement he made just really scares me...

It's apparent who Klaas feels is responsible (other than a giant sinkhole mysteriously opening up and swallowing Dylan)....and he said there were 22 hours that ^^ had to dispose and/or conceal evidence - from 8pm Sunday night til 6pm Monday, and with the Colorado wilderness so widespan, Dylan could be anywhere...

 

[katydid23]

Does anyone know if MR called his home phone or Dylan's cell from 7:30 am to 11:30 am while he was running errands Monday? If he didn't that would be very odd. He would have called to make sure he was up and had breakfast, took a shower, and if nothing else to be ready when he returned so that he could then drop him off at his friends house.

I also would think it odd that he didn't contact him being that it was the first day of their time together, keep in touch kinda thing. Maybe being sorry he had to run errands early that day. Did he find everything ok. If in fact he did call and got no answer he would or should have went home right away. This would also narrow down the timeline of what time he went missing. If he indeed made no contact during this time, why not?

I don't believe that he made any contact or attempted to make any contact before returning home at 11:30. And I agree that it seems odd. At the very least I would think he would have called to say he was heading home, esp. since he was running late.