CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #14

[tamild]

Hello all.

Something I read in one of the first articles that reported Dylan's disappearance that has been at the back of my mind.... July 11, 1984, Christopher James Harvey, age 14, disappeared from his family's summer trailer home on the edge of the San Juan National Forest, approximately 17 miles northwest of Pagosa Springs. He went to walk his dog - the dog came back but he never did.

I finally got around to checking out where this occured - 17 miles northwest (as the crow flies) of Pagosa Springs lands you right around the Vallecito Reservoir.

It's a huge time difference, 28 years, but just thought I'd put it out there as it's been nagging at me.

~ Lauren

absolutely chilling

 

[jennapuppy]

I think this is what happened, too. FWIW-my 13yo (prolific texter) spent this past weekend hanging out with friends. She went to school yesterday morning, tired, but not too bad. Last evening after dinner she was making plans with her BFF (via text) to get together for a few hours and work on a school project. I went up to her room around 6:30pm to see if they had finalized their plans, and she was out cold. She slept clear through the night and didn't even wake with the alarm this morning. :twocents: Now I know my kid is not Dylan, but I use this to illustrate that SOME kids will just fall asleep and plans be damned.

And it's also possible that MR said something like: You're going to see your friends tomorrow. No more texting tonight while we watch the football game.

And Dylan, being bored and sulky, fell asleep on the couch. Watching TV on the sofa after dark puts my DD to sleep every time.
moo

 

[packerdog]

Some of you think it is not odd at all that dad didn't call that morning and it could be that in your case dad lives at the house with their child. This is a dad that has spent very little time with his son and just was granted visitation. I would think he would be over the top with his visit. Why spend the first day together running errands on your own? If in fact he was planning on dropping Dylan off at his friends that afternoon, when were they going to spend some quality time together? I just think it odd that he never called that morning to say sorry I couldn't take you this morning,I'll take you at such and such time so you can let your friends know.

 

[Wendy101]

I would like to know the statements that ONLY the LE has made... Not Mom or Dad.

 

[Confusion]

Hello all.

Something I read in one of the first articles that reported Dylan's disappearance that has been at the back of my mind.... July 11, 1984, Christopher James Harvey, age 14, disappeared from his family's summer trailer home on the edge of the San Juan National Forest, approximately 17 miles northwest of Pagosa Springs. He went to walk his dog - the dog came back but he never did.

I finally got around to checking out where this occured - 17 miles northwest (as the crow flies) of Pagosa Springs lands you right around the Vallecito Reservoir.

It's a huge time difference, 28 years, but just thought I'd put it out there as it's been nagging at me.

~ Lauren

This is a real long shot, and I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but is there any way that cadaver dogs could still pick up the scent if that boy's body/remains were in the lake/reservoir? TIA

 

[Donjeta]

just a quick question. i have seen so many users here on WB make a point to always post "IMO" or "MOO". is this for liability reasons? are users here encouraged to make sure to post this after they give their opinions?

I think it's more because you tend to be called out by other posters if you present your opinions as facts.

 

[Ransom]

That's something I can't get past either, he gets off the plane, starts texting his friends (or calling) to make plans, in the morning wakes up, eats breakfast, watches tv but NEVER tries to contact his friends, the same friends he was so anxious to see Sunday night. Odd.

FWIW:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-11-25/news/35351502_1_bayfield-volunteers-vallecito-lake

Honestly, I think he was walking into Bayfield and got taken away, he told the Durango Herald.

Another pal, R*** N***, 13, said Dylan had planned to hang out with friends in Bayfield the evening of Nov. 18, but later postponed the meet-up until the following day.

 

[Confusion]

I think it's more because you tend to be called out by other posters if you present your opinions as facts.

It's also a TOS violation.

 

[alp1981]

The bike I saw beside MRs house looked to be a bmx style not a mountain bike IMO

im going to have to take a closer look at this picture. either way you look at it nothing adds up. if this was a bike he could use why didnt he? was it broken? or did he not want to drag a bike around all day with him. if thats the case than catching a ride to town with a local sounds better (aka hitch-hiking). i can tell you a few helpful tidbits about BMX bikes. so many companies are making them nowadays. BMX has been around for decades and children still love to ride. many department stores carry them for sale but here is the problem with purchasing a department store BMX. they are junk! unless you buy a brand name BMX you will get very poor quality. there is not a single BMX brand out there that any department store sells that is worth the money. if that BMX sitting outside of MRs house was purchased from a department store than i can pretty much tell you its junk and probably rusted in many areas. chances are that bike is inoperable due to it being left out in the elements. cheap bikes rust and fall apart fast. if that is a BMX bike it could be a cheap department store one that just hasnt been taken to the dump yet.

 

[Confusion]

FWIW:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-11-25/news/35351502_1_bayfield-volunteers-vallecito-lake

Honestly, I think he was walking into Bayfield and got taken away, he told the Durango Herald.

Another pal, R*** N***, 13, said Dylan had planned to hang out with friends in Bayfield the evening of Nov. 18, but later postponed the meet-up until the following day.

I do think it's important, even if a lot of people don't, that his friends assumed that he took off for Bayfield that morning without contacting them first. I haven't read anything saying that one of his friends said they thought something happened to him at the house (or before he got there) because he didn't call or text them in the morning.

 

[JustJeannie]

justjeanie and schmae i would have to agree with both of your statements. im going one further by adding that i am a female and i might act the same way your husbands do or other dads might do! at 13 years old there is a level of trust between parent and child. at 13 years old as a parent i would also know my child would throw a fit if i treated him like a baby. i would feel perfectly fine leaving my 13 year old home knowing that if a problem were to arise they would be smart enough to call me. even if there were no problems it would not strike me as odd not to speak with them til i came home a few hours later
what do you all say here? imo. moo. all other 3 letter personal opinion stuff lol

I mentioned my husband since we were talking about MR, but I probably wouldn't call or text either, and at 13 my boys wouldn't have expected me to. I say "probably" because if I had plans to take them to a friend's house, I might text or call to say that I was on my way home, would be there in 20 minutes, and if they still wanted a ride they should be ready to go then. Mom's taxi service ran on my schedule, not theirs.

Other than that, I wouldn't have either. At 13, one of them staying alone for a few hours wouldn't be a big concern for me.

 

[Wendy101]

I find it odd that no friends have come forward (that we know of) to claim Dykan spoke them about not wanting to go to his Dads or that his Dad is an a$$ .. The only person that claimed he didn't want to go is Mom.
I know if I was 13 and "forced" to go see a parent I'd rather not see, I would definatley be cranking about it to my friends... Odd that not one friend has said Dylan had a bad relationship with his Dad.

 

[mmmagique]

I think this is what happened, too. FWIW-my 13yo (prolific texter) spent this past weekend hanging out with friends. She went to school yesterday morning, tired, but not too bad. Last evening after dinner she was making plans with her BFF (via text) to get together for a few hours and work on a school project. I went up to her room around 6:30pm to see if they had finalized their plans, and she was out cold. She slept clear through the night and didn't even wake with the alarm this morning. :twocents: Now I know my kid is not Dylan, but I use this to illustrate that SOME kids will just fall asleep and plans be damned.

I can easily see this happening. But if so, what happened the next morning? If it were my dd, even if she slept in, she'd be texting (or calling) her friends about getting together ASAP.

 

[DylansMom34]

Of course we don't know what any witnesses (whether they are the children witnesses or any adults) may have told LE. So like nearly everything else on this case, it is all speculation...

 

[aust amateur slueth]

OHhhhhh I've scared Beach away with my request

please Beach please I'm begging you

 

[rocketman60]

im going to have to take a closer look at this picture. either way you look at it nothing adds up. if this was a bike he could use why didnt he? was it broken? or did he not want to drag a bike around all day with him. if thats the case than catching a ride to town with a local sounds better (aka hitch-hiking). i can tell you a few helpful tidbits about BMX bikes. so many companies are making them nowadays. BMX has been around for decades and children still love to ride. many department stores carry them for sale but here is the problem with purchasing a department store BMX. they are junk! unless you buy a brand name BMX you will get very poor quality. there is not a single BMX brand out there that any department store sells that is worth the money. if that BMX sitting outside of MRs house was purchased from a department store than i can pretty much tell you its junk and probably rusted in many areas. chances are that bike is inoperable due to it being left out in the elements. cheap bikes rust and fall apart fast. if that is a BMX bike it could be a cheap department store one that just hasnt been taken to the dump yet.

Alp...Thank you for the your input on the BMX. I have found over the years you must buy a bike from a Bike Shop.......

 

[LotusPawprint]

I've been looking at Dylan's facebook profiles... it's been discussed on multiple occasions that he has at least two "main" profiles.. I know Marc Klass addressed this on Tricia's show Sunday night.

It looks like he really used these 2 profiles as they have well over 100 friends, "liked" pages, etc. I can't see any posts or pics but they seem functional otherwise.

A few observations from these pages--

- He "likes" those "Call of Duty" games (Black Ops, Modern Warfare 2), Madden NFL Superstars, City of Wonder Game, Texas Hold Em Poker --- Wondering if he connected with people while playing these games online or on game systems...



Some other "likes" on his profile pages:
- XFinity (mentioning this as it might be mom's TV/home phone/internet company?)
-McDonald's (I want to see the Mc'Ds video footage! if it exists)
- He "likes" a product/page called "BillMyParents" which is a prepaid/reloadable Mastercard for kids age 13+ over. It looks like the card is trackable (the parent can log in to see if it's been used and where) so ER may have used this for Dylan at some point, but I'm sure this would've been mentioned if there was any activity. Interesting nonetheless as I'd wondered if he had any money with him.
- Ted (movie... that's raunchy for a 13 year old)
- I hate Justin Bieber (not relevant to finding Dylan but he has good taste)


I found this interesting:
* He's "friends" with 11 profiles -- all look to be fake names/profiles. No pictures. Empty profiles. They're all linked/friends with each other and only each other. The names sound made up (speculation on my part).

---> 2 are "Dylan Redwine"
---> 1 is "Dylan Dredwine"
---> Initials for other profiles are "SD", "SS", "TS", "BS", "ZM", "WL", "GH", JH"


I can only speculate on what I'm seeing but it looks like these could be profiles Dylan created for whatever reason.. Each of the 11 profiles only has 1-3 friends (only the other "made up" profiles). Maybe he never used them, maybe he used them for gaming, maybe he talked to someone on them, maybe it's insignificant. I don't really know but it caught my eye.

 

[momrids6]

I can easily see this happening. But if so, what happened the next morning? If it were my dd, even if she slept in, she'd be texting (or calling) her friends about getting together ASAP.

There is usually an enormous difference between girls and boys communication. Just like men and women. The teen girl across the street is quickly working her way to arthritis in her thumbs. My boys are very tech-smart; just not every waking moment of the day. She can and does turn off her phone when we chat in the car or in the house, while walking around with friends and when she drives. She walks over here when she wants something or someone-without texting. None of them stroke out when their battery dies

 

[rebeccaeee]

Back to brainstorming. Assuming something horrible happened to Dylan, either Sunday after 8 or Monday after 730, (which allows for multiple suspects) WHERE would someone dump a body in and around Bayfield? Also temporarily ruling out abduction and kidnapping away from the area by a stranger (because that voluminous chasm of possibility is too much for me this morning). Let's look at locals, MR included, and known stomping grounds. In my town, there are lots of places one would go looking for a body. Heck- our local PD has an interactive map that shows where bodies have been discovered in the past 20 years. Creepy but also pretty helpful. Any such ideas besides the Reservoir?

In unrelated news, someone who was at the search last weekend and in somewhat close contact with the fam has been posting some fairly inflammatory bits on the Find Dylan FB page about how text service is darn reliable with the same carrier Dylan was using when you are standing right outside MR's house. I think she means that it is absurd to think Dylan was wandering outside to get a signal and was abducted.

 

[vasportsmom]

I find it odd that no friends have come forward (that we know of) to claim Dykan spoke them about not wanting to go to his Dads or that his Dad is an a$$ .. The only person that claimed he didn't want to go is Mom.
I know if I was 13 and "forced" to go see a parent I'd rather not see, I would definatley be cranking about it to my friends... Odd that not one friend has said Dylan had a bad relationship with his Dad.

But we are talking about 13yo kids here. I would like to think their parents are not allowing the media to have unfettered access to them. We have no idea what they may have told LE though and surely we would only hear about it if it was relevant at a trial.


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